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This was the week in which Apple supremo Tim Cook managed to spin Steve Jobs' constant flip-flopping on new product ideas sound like a good thing. The D10 tech conference featured much reminiscing and idolising of the late Apple co-founder, including these words from Cook on how Jobs' about-turns were an "art": He would flip …

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Anonymous Coward

That's not courage at all.

>"And you would never know that he thought the opposite. I saw it daily. And this is a gift. This is a gift because things do change. It takes courage to change. And courage to say, I'm now wrong."

Except that that's not what Steve Jobs did. He never said he was "now wrong", and the whole point of his reality-distortion field was that as far as he was concerned, he was not now wrong, he never had been wrong, he had always been right in the first place, was still right now, and had not changed his mind in between.

That's not having the courage to change or face up to anything, that's being an vain arrogant dishonest delusional narcissist with your head stuffed up your own arse.

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Anonymous Coward

Re: That's not courage at all.

For someone who was never wrong, when it was all down to him, he was generally mostly right. Having read his biography I can see why he got up people's noses, why he might not have been likeable.

Many large corporations are managed by committee and consensus, and when a product is developed in such a way it becomes a compromise. It is neither good, nor bad, neither cutting edge or old fashioned.

History is littered with people, Alexander the Great, Montgomery, Patton, Nelson, Grant, Lee, Julius Ceasar to name but a few. Would they have won their battles if they had been organised by a committee? All of them made mistakes and had set backs but all had the self belief that they would win.

I think there would have been doubtful outcomes if it was down to agreed consensus of a group.

Sometimes there needs to be one person who is willing to take charge stick their neck out and get on with it. We don't have to like them, or agree with them but if we want that winning outcome maybe we need to swallow our pride on occasion.

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Re: That's not courage at all.

@"History is littered with people, Alexander the Great, Montgomery, Patton, Nelson, Grant, Lee, Julius Ceasar to name but a few."

They were all vain arrogant dishonest delusional narcissists and that is at best, because in a lot of these cases, they showed a psychopathic lack of thought and empathy for the harm they caused others. These are not great people, they just wanted everyone to think they were great, just like all narcissists throughout history.

There wouldn't even have been wars if *all* power hungry narcissistic tyrants were kept out of power. But then their kind have always forced people to do what they want (and lied and cheated to get what they want) and there is no upper limit to how much power they want to dictate their wishes to everyone. So no matter how much power they get they always want more. They want more because secretly they fear others with power and fear they could loose their power and so they continue to try to grab ever more power whenever they can. If you don't believe me just try to stand in any narcissists way and then you will truly see what their kind are really like. Opposing them is the same to them as trying to take away their power and then see what happens to you if you try?

The world doesn't need them and never has and we will only advance as a civilization when tyrants are excluded from power over others in every country. Thankfully the Internet now allows us to collectively expose them like never before but that is unfortunately very much a work in progress at this point in history.

But I have to say I am utterly sicked that Tim Cook sees and tries to represent such delusional arrogance to deceive (only the gullible) as some kind of “gift”. But then he is trying to rewrite history just like his predecessor. All narcissists are by definition vain arrogant lying dishonest deceitful people. Believing anything narcissists say without question is the first mistake of all gullible people and has been throughout history. Unfortunately history also shows there is all to many gullible people, but then that is made even worse by the tyrants always targeting, throwing out and even in some cases utterly destroying anyone who seek to expose them for the arrogant lying dishonest narcissists that they are.

The world doesn't need them and never has, its just their kind seek to represent their kind as needed and important and the kind of people to look up to. Just like narcissists always have done.

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Anonymous Coward

Re: That's not courage at all.

Ahh a wishy washy tree hugging sandal wearing bearded apologist liberal..... I wondered how long it would take for one to emerge into daylight.

Obviously, by looking at your comment you would be heading the committee tooking into deciding whether Hitler should have been confronted, though no doubt after 60 years you would still be in the process of deciding whether we needed a sub committee to look into the issue, or should apologise in advance to the Nazi regime for even considering the question of appointing a committee.

Thank God for Churchill, Roosevelt and even to some extent Stalin...

Left to your kind, apologist liberal decision makers, we'd still be in the dark ages.

Sometimes the world needs people who stand out from the crowd and thank god they exist.

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Anonymous Coward

Re: That's not courage at all.

Someone else who thinks they know what 'liberal' means.

No doubt you expertise continues on to 'socialist' & 'communist', e.g. "I know all there is to know about communism, I was on sentry duty along a barbed wire fence for 3 months".

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Re: That's not courage at all.

@AC: "Ahh a wishy washy tree hugging sandal wearing bearded apologist liberal"

Hey AC, you start with a blatant straw man argument, seeking to in this case portray me as weak when in fact I talk of standing up to the tyrants to see them punished and thrown out of power, whilst you AC show all too clearly that you just want to hand them more servile fawning praise and yet more power. Its your kind AC who are the enemy of us all.

Narcissists always seek to portray themselves and others like them as powerful, whilst demonize opponents as weak, i.e. "wishy washy tree hugging sandal wearing bearded apologist liberal". Thank you, I must be hitting a tender nerve.

Narcissists are endless liars and manipulators and I seek to expose their lies and endless manipulation because their greatest weakness is people learning the truth about them. Because without followers the Narcissists are nothing and they know that, as I am sure you do. Which is why you tried to undermine me. I hit a nerve. After all you have tried to portray me standing up to Narcissists as a sign of weakness, which shows your words are really nothing but lying manipulative bullshit.

I stand by what I said. The world doesn't need these vain arrogant dishonest narcissists and never has and we will only advance as a civilization when tyrants like them are excluded from power over others in every country. I look forward to more of them being exposed by the Internet for what they are. The more people learn about Narcissists, the more power they loose to deceive everyone.

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Anonymous Coward

Re: That's not courage at all.

Arrogance of the "we known better" liberals knows no bounds.

Anyway, while you might get a few to buy off on the idea that "the world doesn't need ..." crap, but the bottom line is that Apple apparently did, and his and Apple's success is obviously something that offends you preconceptions on how humanity should be.

Sadly, like most of the raving loony left, you are clueless and arrogant, blinded by your own learned conception of how humanity should be and appalled that we humans are constantly fucking up your perfect idealism by failing to be what you want and being what we are.

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Anonymous Coward

Sentry duty?

I'm sure you like to think you do, but you never lived under it, so this armchair opinion just doesnt cut it. You've obviously never had the opportunity to go behind the iron curtain, as it was.

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@Asgard

I stand by my opinion of you, a wishy washy tree hugging bearded sandal wearing apologist liberal conscientious objector, that wants to live in a mediocre world with mediocre things produced by mediocre people.

Luckily the world still has those that can stand and be counted. We don't have to like everyone we meet but can at least respect them for their ideas. You on the other hand show a lack of tolerance and jealous/hate filled anger to someone you have never met, a very liberal leftie trait, yet I think that had you been confronted by that person you criticise you would have run away.

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@AC, no one is buying your pathetic argument that I'm weak for wanting to stand up to deceitful Narcissists yet you still persist in seeking to label me as "a wishy washy tree hugging bearded sandal wearing apologist liberal conscientious objector."

Everything in your attitude AC is seeking to belittle me as we can see from above. You know I speak the truth, its why you are so riled up. So I don't need to meet you to see how consistent your low attitude is towards me. Your words are endless manipulation because you don't want us to see the truth. I do understand and you don't like it.

You see narcissists talk of bravery and want to portray themselves as brave, yet I know they secretly live in fear and its a fear they fear ever admitting (even to themselves) so they seek to laugh it off and hide it and deny it. Their fear is of allowing anyone to ever have power over them again the way they suffered power over them as a child from abusive controlling parents. They grow up into adults who feel compelled to defend themselves endlessly against all around and they will do that by any means which includes lies, manipulation and abuse. Some will even kill in their act to suppress and control others. They have to be stopped from treating others this way. Their kind are even the reason their kind exist. One generation of narcissists abuses the next.

The problem is for a narcissist its very hard to even admit any of this to themselves because even the act of admitting it feels like to them an act of cowardice, giving in, so they are trapped (by themselves) unable to admit it to even themselves and they are endlessly abusive and abuse all around them. Yet its their self-interested abuse of others, seeking to manipulate, deceive and even in some cases kill any who try to stop them is why they have to be stopped. We all have to stand up to them and standing up to them isn't weakness.

Narcissists are the enemy of us all. Narcissists are ultimately the reason war exists. Without Narcissists there would be no war. Narcissists fight endlessly for self-interested power.

Its why we have to expose them and stop them gaining positions of power in society, but the Narcissists will do anything to hold power and to cling desperately to power and they don't care how much harm and hardship they cause everyone else in their endless desperate need to maintain power over people. THEY HAVE TO BE STOPPED. If we eliminated all narcissists on the planet war would be obsolete instantly and narcissists very much are a minority of the population. Its just they are a loud and often very aggressive minority.

So whilst I feel pity for Narcissists, I will not allow Narcissists to rule over us. Narcissists are too self-interested to ever treat others with any fairness, empathy or respect. Such words to Narcissists are interpreted as weakness but we both know that's a lie AC. Narcissists don't want to consider others. Narcissists don't want to give an inch to others. Confront Narcissists and its an endless sullen attitude, peppered with bouts of aggressive insults and abuse to suppress others.

Narcissists are the enemy of us all. So AC, pick a side, but don't forget the Narcissists side are very much in the minority and they will loose the more people learn to see through their lies and manipulation. Welcome to the Internet. Knowledge is power over Narcissists. The power to finally expose and stop them. The one thing they do not want yet they are their own worst enemy, because their every move exposes them more on the Internet. The only way to make a better fairer world is to stop Narcissists and they have to be stopped.

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Re: That's not courage at all.

Actually, in your comment, you almost prove yourself wrong. Why? The phrase " they showed a psychopathic lack of thought and empathy for the harm they caused others. ".

It's that limited empathy (which is bordering on being psychopathic - there have been studies on this) that enables a good businessman to function effectively. Thank about that, if a company is successful, they can't worry about their competitor's staff (who may well lose their livelihoods). If they aren't, they may need to make a lot of people redundant. They know that all those people have families who may be relying on them, but they cannot think of that.

Also, narcissism is not necessarily bad. What do you think drives us to invent? The belief (and the need to show) that we are better than everyone else. The concepts that allow the Internet to function are essentially the result of a combination of fear and the fact that the Americans felt the need to prove that they are better than the Soviets, along with a lot of the hardware used to run the networks involved.

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Devil

No "Class Action" against Microstuffed?

Suerly that sort of clause would fall under the category of unfair terrms and conditions in this country.

Smells more of fear than confidence in your product to me.

Shower of cnuts.

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Appointing bankers

Bankers?

Bankers can't run their own bloody businesses. How the hell can they be expected to help anybody else run theirs?

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