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Star Wars - there was no 'A New Hope' or 'Episode IV' back then - shot onto cinema screens on 25 May 1977, which means the franchise celebrates its 35th birthday today. A day for celebration, then, that might be enough of an excuse for you to revisit our Star Wars gift guide and snap up some Tatooine tat, much to the dismay of …

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No love for SW: Knights of the Old Republic?

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Indeed

This is still the best FPS ever, level design, story, weapon progression, great protagonist, everything you want from a game.

The Mandolorian add on was awesome fun too

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Screw the knights

No Love for:

1. Tie Fighter - with all due respect the Imperial incarnation of the original X-wing classic was way better than the rebel one. You should not underestimate the power of the dark side (especially if you manage 60k point scores from some of the more complex missions). In fact, after the original Tie Fighter the Tie Fighter vs X-wing installment came as "downer" (though in a hindsight I simply did not have a proper machine to play it).

2. Rebellion. One of the most complex RTS-es ever (if played properly at max complexity or human against human). I still play it from time to time in a virtualbox on an XP which I keep only for that purpose (Tactical mode unfortunately breaks under Wine). Compared to that Galactic Battlegrounds was an outright joke.

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Episode I: pod Racer

Episode I: pod Racer

i loved that game how you could go at full speed around corners side ways and some big jumps as well but plenty ways to mess up and only end up with one engine if you clipped an wall or corner

to bad the lame coders locked it so you can only play it on an video card below Nvidia MX4 card (something like that )and drivers that are 2 numbers long did not work with the 100 Nvidia drivers

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Re: Screw the knights

Total agree, Tie Fighter was far better than X-wing. X-wing always made it feel like it was you and your co-pilot against an entire army of Tie's whilest in Tie Fighter that was you!

Also no mention of Battlefront???? Battlefront 2 was the best starwars game ever! It had everything!!! There is nothing better than taking out an entire army with an AT-AT walker!

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Shadows of the Empire

Why no Shadows of the Empire, if only for being able to play the Battle of Hoth in a snowspeeder...

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> if only for being able to play the Battle of Hoth in a snowspeeder...

Unfortunately that was the only good bit....

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Battlegrounds was rubbish. It was just an unimaginative mod for Age of Empires, which was already 4 years old. For goodness sake, Homeworld came out two years before Battlegrounds.

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TIE Fighter turned me to the Dark Side

X-Wing was cool, but flying a TIE Fighter was an epiphany. It turned me to the Emperor's side. Long Live Palpatine (and his clones)

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Re: TIE Fighter turned me to the Dark Side

Yeah, indeed, Tie Fighter >> X-Wing.

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> X-Wing was one of the more exciting games out there for Star Wars fans and often ranks as the finest.

X-Wing better than Tie Fighter? Surely some mistake....

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Nope, not a mistake.

Definitely not.

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Never understood...

why there were never any further outings for the space flight sim Star Wars games after, I think, Rebel Alliance. I used to love the dogfights in X-Wing and Tie Fighter games and the stories were usually pretty solid, too. Definitely a place for them in the marketplace these days.

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> why there were never any further outings for the space flight sim Star Wars games after, I think, > Rebel Alliance. I used to love the dogfights in X-Wing and Tie Fighter games and the stories

> were usually pretty solid, too. Definitely a place for them in the marketplace these days.

Because, I think, rebel Alliance is where Lucas Arts began to screw up very badly.

It was full of bugs and missions that couldn't complete, geez, what a load of bollocks,

even after the last patch. I still have it, but this was the last Lucas Arts product I ever purchased.

Company went straight to the toilet drain as far as I'm concerned, after that terrible game.

Tie Fighter was the last one really good from Lucas Arts, indeed superior to X-Wing.

Lucas Arts is history now, good history, but history.

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Re: Never understood...

There were missions which would not complete in both Tie Fighter and X-wing.

If you were good enough to knock out some of the key mainline ships (IIRC the STD Invincible in X-Wing) on one of the recon or early missions there was no way to complete the campaign because the ship was not there for the key mission against it. Ditto for one of the frigates.

If memory serves me right there was a calamari cruiser annoyance somewhere in Tie Fighter that had the same problem.

Now what level of skill, patience and crazyness it takes to take out an escorted imperial star destroyer all alone in a X-Wing (or god forbid Y-Wing) to trigger the bug.... That is another story...

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Never hit that bug - I must have destroyed the so-called Invincible half a dozen times in the same storyline.

The STD Badi Dea was a bit tougher - Relentless waves of TFs, TDs & TBs. If you destroyed 5 out the 6 of each squad, the last would suicide so a new wave could spawn.

And one STD would hyperspace out once you knocked its shield generators down. Tried it with a Y-Wing, but never had time to disable it with Ions

Still, 16 out of 18 (I think) ain't bad.

But Tie Fighter bored me. Too much defending stupid allies, useless wingmen, not enough shooting everything that moves.

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Starfighter and Jedi Starfighter were released subsequently. Jedi Starfighter was good fun, as you could blow up enemies with force lightning. (Of course, both were set during the prequels.)

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SWG

What no Star Wars Galaxies, that was actually a great game before Sony/Lucas screwed us all over?

Good timing though as the SWG Emulator Project is just launching it's Alpha phase of the code, most of the basic game is back, a few professions are still missing and balance is being tweaked. But the game is still very playable and getting 1000 people online most nights now.

Visit swgemu.com to come back to the game again.

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Yeah, good luck not getting sued out of existence on *that* one.

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There have already been discussions with Sony/LA about that and they truth is that as long as they are not charging for it or making money from it they will be left alone.

The server code has been all rewritten from the ground up and you need your own set of disks to install the game.

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Empire Strikes Back on the Atari 2600

The simplicity of this title actually made it quite addictive. As for the pod racing game being based on events in the film, I think you will find the events in the film were actually designed around making money from a racing game. Loves money, the Lucas does!

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Re: Empire Strikes Back on the Atari 2600

I second your praise for "Empire Strikes Back" on the Atari VCS (2600). I still distinctly remember begging my mother to buy me that game when I first saw it on a "clearance" shelf at a Sears outlet store back in the 1980's. To my father's dismay my mother caved in and bought it for me, and it became one of my all-time favorite games for that console. Man, I played the heck out of that game while I was growing up! Some of my friends and I were also extremely addicted to X-Wing for MS-DOS and its two expansion packs, "Imperial Pursuit" and "B-Wing." And I can't even tell you how many quarters I pumped into the Atari Star Wars arcade game over the years, especially once I discovered that there was one that was located at the local late-night Mexican restaurant that was a couple blocks from my college dorm room!

Yeah, Star Wars was the best, at least until the late 1990's came and George Lucas decided that he was going to create "special" editions, prequels, and generally just screw with everything to drain the pockets of us fans. I wouldn't have minded so much if he had created some *good* movies from which to do it with, but alas we got Greedo shooting first and Episodes I through III. *sigh*

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Re: Empire Strikes Back on the Atari 2600

Yup one of the best titles for the Atari 2600. I spent many an hour playing it as a child and still get it out of the back of the cupboard and play it occasionally.

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Re: Empire Strikes Back on the Atari 2600

Great game and it also inspired Jeff Minter to produce 'Attack of the Mutant Camels' which was even better.

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Attack of the Mutant Camels was brilliant!

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I definitely want to second (sixth?) the comments on Tie Fighter, whihc improved on the already good X-Wing, but what about Dark Forces: Jedi Knight? admittedly not the first FPS for Star Wars, but a terriffic game, goof FPS, getting to properly wield a lightsaber AND force powers for the first time, choice of light and dark paths throughout the game, etc. etc.

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Shocked that lucas hasn't brought out a pod racer sequal yet, waiting on the 3D re-release of the film I would guess?

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C'mon, c'mon....it's working!

My biggest gripe about XP & Win 7 x64 is no more podracing for me. Could not get it to work, NMWID.

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Re: C'mon, c'mon....it's working!

I'm pretty sure it will work under newer OS's.

I absolutely loved this game back in the day, I seem to remember abyss being a particular PITA...

And I think there was a sequel, but it was only available on PS2. It was called racer revenge.

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In Dark Forces 2 you had a light sabre...

The automatic blocking of enemy blasts with the lightsabre was supercool- one of the only games I went back and played through again. I always wanted to try the dark side but the moment I got my light sabre I knew it was time to be a hero.

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Some good names missed.

Lego Star Was is just awesome and I am 36. Has had me buy every lego game going and there are now a lot, can't wait for LOTR.

But Empires at War? Knights of the Old Republic.

Battlefront as well was okay - bit odd at times. Republic commando was a much better (if shorter game)

And I am glad you didn't mention force commander. That was awful.

And there was that planet busting one which was vastly too complicated but awesome called start wars supremacy (rebellion in the states)

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Re: Some good names missed.

I still dabble with Star Wars Supremacy sometimes, runs fine on my windows 7 tablet pc though it needs the mouse really. Epic and insanely complicated strategy ? Yes please :)

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NO BAttlefront

Star wars battle front gameplay was awesome.

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Original 83 arcade is the number 1. After that it has to be TIE Fighter for me - much better than X-Wing.

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No space for Jedi Knight 2?

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Knights of the old republic is fantastic. It wasn't till mass effect that I played a game that came close.

As amazing as x-wing was, tie fighter was the better game.

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And... another vote for TIE Fighter over X-Wing, but I guess the original deserves most of the credit. TIE Fighter was just an *incredible* experience, and Lucasarts would do very well to create another game in that genre.

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Tie Fighter?

I *loved* X-Wing!

Does TF run on Win7 by any chance...? Find on eBay I think I might...

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Re: Tie Fighter?

A bit of a faff, but the instructions here seem to work fine.

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No Joy...

...stick. Dammit, I'm sure you used to be able to play the DOS version using the keyboard (badly). Only joystick I have is a gameport one, which doesn't fit anymore. I suppose I could get the old Athlon out of the loft and plug it into that instead.

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Super Star Wars

I loved Super Star Wars on the SNES. It looked great and sounded amazing.

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No Tie Fighter?

Same type of gameplay as X-wing but with better graphics, and you fly the TIE fighters and be evil.

Thumbs up to Lego Star Wars - Classic trilogy very good.

My son (7) enjoys Battlegrounds, he's not completing scenarios but he is enjoying it.

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Multiplayer!

I preferred X-Wing Vs TIE Fighter - all the joy of X-Wing and TIE Fighter, but with a friend to fly in formation and inspect freighters with. I remember firing up XVTED when I was a nipper and constructing massive battles to play. Given that it only allowed 64 ships in the map at once, some were so large that they would always play randomly depnding on which ships died first. Plus the Balance of Power introduced the Super Star Destroyer...

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So many great games missing

Dark Forces 2, Jedi Knight, Kedi Academy, Empire at War, KOTR, etc yet you include crap like Galactic Battlegrounds and Rebel Assault?!?!

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Return of the Jedi

Wasn't there an Arcade "cabinet" version of this game, where you say straddled a speeder bike. Or did I imagine that from my youth?

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Re: Return of the Jedi

Nope, you're right, and it was bloody impossible. :)

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Yes. And in the last level you piloted the Millennium Falcon through the Death Star. Same mechanics as the speeder bike, though. And still bloody impossible.

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X-Wing Alliance seems to have been left out as well...

The very best of X-Wing and TIE Fighter Collectors CDs, albeit with a massive graphical facelift and a pretty good story of it's own..

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Re: X-Wing Alliance seems to have been left out as well...

Damn! You beat me by seconds!

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