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Samsung has asked a Californian court to dismiss seven of Apple's expert witnesses in a patent case - and claimed their "slavish" love for the Foxconn-rebrander means they are unable to give useful testimony. In a Motion to Exclude Opinions of Certain of Apple's Experts, the South Korean giant's lawyers described the Apple …

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When the court room becomes a marketing mosh pit it is time for the judge to step up, stomp down and set the proper agenda for Apple v Samsung.

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Who but an expert is supposed to give an opinion when no one else appears to understand how the things work?

Then the question is where do you get the expert with an opinion?

Someone who uses it of course because how can you give an opinion if you don't use it.

I suppose Samsung will have their experts too, their fansungs.

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RE: Who but an expert ...

I think the point was that they are claiming that their opinions are not going to be based mainly on facts or include biased becuase they are apple fanatics. To be an expert you have to be able to derive an opinion on evidence, not because you think it's neat.

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Re: RE: Who but an expert ...@Vic 4

Thats rubbish. In these sort of cases the "experts" are all little better than paid for shills - whether from Samsung or Apple.

All these "experts" will have ultimately the same bias - that for folding green....

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or get an independent source

Maybe they should ask a couple of Nokia engineers or Blackberry?

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Re: or get an independent source

How's that supposed to work then? Just because you work for Nokia or RIM doesn't mean you might not have a bias one way or the other for or against Apple or Samsung. Neither side will have experts testify without knowing what they are planning to say, so they'll only select those who agree with their position. No difference from the situation now, in other words.

The only role for truly independent randomly selected experts would be if the court were to employ them, but such a thing doesn't exist in the US court system. Failing that, your desirability as an expert witness will hinge on you stating what the party signing your check wants the judge and jury to believe.

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Why not ask

Bill Gates

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Re: Why not ask

or for a more emotional (i.e., high blood-pressure) pitch, Steve Balmer

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Samsung Fanbois

Samsung are in danger of getting their own fanbois.

Only yesterday I told someone "yeah but I can change the channels on my TV with my Galaxy S2!!"

Then I said It used magic.....

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Re: Samsung Fanbois

In danger of?

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Re: Samsung Fanbois

True there are fanbois, but samsung IS a good manufacturer, and their products talk to each other, and rivals, nicely.

Try connecting to a mates wifi when your round his house & showing photos/video on his tv without cables using an iPhone, I can do it with any DLNA equipped TV as standard. i.e. most new TV's with a network port!

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Re: Samsung Fanbois

funny - I control my Samsung telly with their app on my iPhone....

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Re: Samsung Fanbois

I've found that things with computers in them, surprisingly, behave like computers from time to time.

Even better if you can get past the restrictions some people put on them...

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"samsung IS a good manufacturer"

I'd take issue with that. I swore I'd never buy another Samsung product when the last thing bricked itself just after the warranty ran out, just like all the previous stuff of theirs I'd bought.

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Re: Samsung Fanbois ( AC 22nd May 2012 13:00 )

"when your round" should be "you're". There's no possession involved.

Thank you.

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Re: Samsung telly app

Excellent to hear, I've never hunted for an iphone app for my telly as I don't have one... Now if the iPhone supported DLNA, MKV's, & had a decent sized screen, replaceable battery and took an SD card, it would then be a viable replacement to my SGS!

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Re: Samsung Fanbois

It's no longer the 80s. Perhaps it is time to let up on them a little bit.

Their kit seems to have gotten better.

Besides, some of that stuff ends up in "magical" iDevices. You can't really trash Samsung without invoking some degree of crapulence inheritance.

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Re: Samsung Fanbois

True on Samsung lack of quality. We bought Samsung 6 monitors at work. 4 of them died between 2-3 years of age. Fortunately they were still under warranty and were replaced. Due to a 66% failure rate, I have removed Samsung as a choice when I replace my TV.

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Re: Samsung Fanbois

Considering samsung make panels for other manufacturers, its best to check out the manufacturers supplier if your concerned about Samsung products, personally I have 3 BenQ monitors, and so far so good!

I did notice there was a distinct difference between country of purchase and quality/reliability, when I was reading reviews.

I wonder whether countries with weak consumer rights get lower quality batches?

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Re: Samsung Fanbois

I was about to proclaim my own Samsung fanboiïsm (i think i've just invented a new word!), but then i realized i was going to buy my first real smartphone soon, a Lumia 800. I do love their stuff though, i have a 40" LCD TV by Samsung and consider them first for all my electronics purchases. I've had several older phones by them as well. My love for Nokia phones is quite easy to explain though, i've been (or am, it's still lying around somewhere and i'm 100% sure it'll work when i find it and the battrery will be fine) the proud owner of a 6310i and let's face it, there will never be a better phone then that.

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Re: Samsung Fanbois

i really can't imagine that's anything but plain bad luck. i've had Samsung stuff for over 20 years and have been amazed many times about the amount of physical abuse their hardware could take before it failed. i had one of those classic "boombox" sets with one of the first CD players in it. it survived savage beatings (loads of falling down from stuff, stairs, hills, out of windows, that kind of shit) and only died when my "friends" who borrowed it, thought it was a good idea to play a round of football with it (i still resent them for that).

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Re: Samsung Fanbois

Not to mention the fact that when supplies are low they go for inferior panels made by competitors for their monitors.

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Re: Samsung Fanbois

Obviously if it was an Alple banded version of the Samsung monitor you would have needed to buy Applecare or stump up a thousand bucks + for repair.

Long warranties work because they seldom break down. Short warranties are where failure is high though luck also comes into it.

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These accusations sound best

when imagined being read by Jackie Chiles from Seinfeld.

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Re: These accusations sound best

When I first read that, I thought it said "Jackie Chan" - now that would be funny!

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Just make sure

The judge uses a Windoze phone for assured impartiality.

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Re: Just make sure

Disqualified by the hugely underwhelming Samsung Focus.

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lolz!

Thanks for that article, gave me and the office a right good chuckle.

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"the Foxconn-rebrander"

Are you sure you didn't mean to write that Steve Jobs' death had opened the way for Samsung to attack Apple's witnesses?

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Re: "the Foxconn-rebrander"

iBaiting at its finest.

Must be a slow day in El Reg Towers...

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Re: "the Foxconn-rebrander"

Yes, it boils my piss too, but I think the intelligent use of sarcasm is beyond the understanding of Reg hacks.

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Re: "the Foxconn-rebrander"

You're forgetting the register's 4-stage sarcasm plan: Use, Reuse, Overuse, Abuse.

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Re: "Use, Reuse, Overuse, Abuse"

Wasn't stage five "Light fuse"

see icon

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Re: "the Foxconn-rebrander" @Chris 19

Come now - for 95% of Reg readers, that's a classic example of pot and kettle, no? I would give examples, but there are so, so many (think of all the fun and oh-so-clever plays on Microsoft, Facebook and so on. Reg readers do have a habit of playing to the audience and thinking the resultant upvotes are a realistic measure of their intelligence ...)

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Re: "the Foxconn-rebrander"

"iBaiting at its finest.

Must be a slow day in El Reg Towers.."

But true!

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WTF?

Anna- Given that Apple gear has never been released under the Foxconn brand, how the hell can be Apple be said to be 'rebranding' it?

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Also, I'm sure I read (possibly on this very site) that Foxconn produce products for Samsung also.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Major_customers

If Scrib.com-rebrander Anna was at all impartial (y'know, like a proper journalist) then the article would start something like:

"Foxconn-rebrander Samsung has asked a Californian court to dismiss seven of Foxconn-rebrander Apple's expert witnesses in a patent case"

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real 'em in boys, real 'em in

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> real 'em in boys, real 'em in

What an incredible metaphysical allusion.

I suspect "reel" would probably have been the better word in this case, though...

Vic.

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>Anna- Given that Apple gear has never been released under the Foxconn brand, how the hell can be >Apple be said to be 'rebranding' it?

He gets downvoted, but no one has answered the question. Curious, that. I note that Anna then tells the same 'joke' again, on the Apple HQ story...

I don't really rate one platform over another, but if people don't take just a little care with the English language, our dialect will end up like either George W Bush or Chinese goods manual translated into English by machine.

Oh, and Anna, the forums here don't really need you to bait them, do they? They are plenty capable of straying from any pertinent point without your input, ta. Causing flames for the sake of it is just tedious if it is a fire that we have seen a thousand times before.

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Can't fault their stance

Apple fans are known to rabidly attack anybody who dares criticize their beloved company.

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Re: Can't fault their stance

The same can be said for Microsoft, or Linux, or any popular brand. Say anything bad about them and expect the foaming-at-the-mouth weirdos to yell at you.

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Re: Can't fault their stance

Yeah, but the Apple criticisms are usually in response to ludicrous fanboy claims that even Apple Corp itself wouldn't be willing to take ownership of.

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Re: Can't fault their stance

Yeah like 20xx is the year of the Linux desktop claims....

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Re: Can't fault their stance

obvioiusly there's a reason everyone here remembers the old "MAC vs PC" flamewars. They're sort of back, but now with added players!

You still get to love your favorite company and proclaim your undying support, but now there's the added benefit of not just hating one oponent, but tons of them!

let the flamewars....

COMMENCE!!

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Re: Can't fault their stance

And by criticise, you mean not praise in the most vomit inducing prose possible.

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Re: Lost all faith...

Oh ye of little faith, Microsoft is doing their absolute best to ensure that 201x is the year of the Linux desktop after all!

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Re: Can't fault their stance

And Apple just throw the pebble in the water.

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Re: Lost all faith...

But which one.... Gnome, KDE, Unity etc etc....

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But back ontopic ..

So the chat between CEOs yesterday came to nothing? It would actually be news worth reporting, but the Reg writers care not one whit for that.

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