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Apple's head bean counter has asked his company's neighbours to back plans for a new 2.8 million sq ft glass doughnut office in Cupertino, California. Chief financial officer Peter Oppenheimer sent out leaflets to locals last week asking them to support the fruity tech titan's planning application for a new gaff - called Campus …

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Even though I disliked Boy Wonder...

...and am not too thrilled with his successor...the fact that the "public" won't be allowed inside is not an issue. How many corporate offices ARE open to the public anyway? Not many.

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Re: Even though I disliked Boy Wonder...

I THINK WE SHOULD BUILD A 200 FOOT TALL STATUE OF THE GREATEST CEO THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN STEVE BALLMER IT WOULD BE TALL ENOUGH FOR THE PUBLIC TO ENJOY AS MUCH AS MICROSOFT SHAREHOLDERS WOULD DOO SO

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Re: Even though I disliked Boy Wonder...

To be fair, I think the reason that the article mentioned they're not open to the public is because the planning application emphasises the woodlands and restaurants in the plea for locals' approval.

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Re: Even though I disliked Boy Wonder...

"How many corporate offices ARE open to the public anyway?"

Loads of corporate buildings in New York had ground level atriums open to the public ... seem to think it may even have been a planning requirement.

Think the argument here is that Apple are making a justification for this development the fact that they'll replace lots of tarmac with grass and trees ... but as a large portion of this is surrounded by a 4 storey office building then the difference is not exactly noticeable. If this is to be seen as a "community asset" then perhaps the community should have some access to it.

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Re: Even though I disliked Boy Wonder...

Having lived and worked in the area, I have to wonder about the traffic and employee parking. A typical parking lot design guide for office space is as follows:

"Related to Personnel: 1 space per 1 ½ plant employees + 1 space per managerial employee + 1 space per 10 managerial employees for visitors.

Related to Floor Area: 1 space per 1,000 sq. ft. of gross floor area for warehousing and distribution. Or 2 spaces per 1,000 sq. ft. of gross floor area used for manufacturing. Or 2.5 spaces per 1,000 sq. ft. of office area."

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Re: Even though I disliked Boy Wonder...

sounds like the Colossus of Yorba Linda Foundation

(Illuminatus Trilogy if I recall)

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an excuse to repost this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtuz5OmOh_M

astounding performance

I'm not a fan of Apple products, but Mr Jobs is astounding here

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Quote Reuters-rebrander Anna: Still, it will be green space that the locals won't be allowed into.

But surely they can't wander freely around the old HP Offices that are currently there, can they? So what's the difference?

Or is the local authorities planning on not selling the land to anyone and instead putting a local park in the place that they'd have to fund themselves?

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I think it's more a comment on Apple trying to sell this to the public and council by going on about all the green spaces and restaurants and stuff, but the reality being that no-one but Apple being able to use them.

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They might not be allowed in in, but the locals still get to look at it.

Given the choice of concrete or trees, I know which I'd rather look at.

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"...but the locals still get to look at it."

Exactly, isn't that what Apple's all about? Creating stuff that's nice to look at, and *then* thinking about how it will be used?

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"...Reuters-rebrander Anna..."

Appropriate, perceptive and so beautifully barbed.

Jai, I take my hat off to you.

Pint? - your phrase is worth it.

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what, the 13,000 local employees don't count?

Isn't green space that 13,000 locals get to enjoy better than unused office buildings with no green space? And all of the locals will benefit from the business taxes.

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"Foxconn-rebrander"

I think my life is complete.

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Re: "Foxconn-rebrander"

really? this is the first El Reg article about Apple that you've read in the last 6 months is it?

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Re: "Foxconn-rebrander"

And it remains as lazy as it was the first time.

Complain about Apple's policies, products, and pricing as much as you like, but the fact that they use contract manufacturing for their designs doesn't really set them apart from any other high-tech company.

If the Reg really needs the clicks brought on by Apple-bashing, at least assign someone with some creativity to the job. Like maybe Lewis Page. He just makes up a lot of what he writes, so he's clearly a creative guy.

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Re: "Foxconn-rebrander"

The fact that they all do it still makes it a juicy target in my book... especially if your product is seen as exclusive, perhaps due to the high markup eehm price.

Nice barb at Lewis there at the end.

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Re: "Foxconn-rebrander"

Jai's comment earlier "... Reuters-rebrander Anna..." almost required me to get a new keyboard.

There is so much anti-Apple invective, diatribes and downright childish name-calling which is served up as serious journalism by El Reg. I know you guys have had some history with Cupertino, but you're in danger of drowning in bile & sour grapes.

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As reported yesterday by other sites...

Wouldn't it be easier just publishing the links that you're cribbing from? As things stand, no real analysis is being offered anyway and we're getting the news 12-24 hours after other sites have reported the stories.

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Re: As reported yesterday by other sites...

Dear coward,

I guess you didn't see the two links in the article?

C.

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Re: As reported yesterday by other sites...

Dear C. (too cowardly to use your name??)

I think he meant this Birdy News Site not bothering to fill web space with essentially copy and paste material and just provide the link to the original article.

And please, the constant referring to someone as a re-brander.... for gods sake get a new joke. Really. its old. We get it (although i never really understood it as most companies have to have suppliers. Its not like Foxconn designed the product or suppled the OS. )

Seanie

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Re: As reported yesterday by other sites...

I think some people may need to read up on the whole l'Apple - el Reg relationship thing . . .

;)

nK

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Mushroom

Re: As reported yesterday by other sites...

"Really. its old."

Not here it isn't. Makes me chuckle whenever it comes up.

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@C.

No, I did. And although the Reuters article was linked to, other websites (e.g. MacRumors) covered this story a few hours before that one appeared.

The point I was trying to make was that with this type of coverage, you might as well just publish the links to other sites. El Reg is slow off the bat reporting them – normally a whole day, or longer if the story broke on a Friday – and just printing the links would save time and its not as if we’re missing much. Apart from tossing in terms ‘Foxconn-rebrander’, this kind of article adds nothing to reports from other sites – it’s filler pure and simple… of the laziest hack kind.

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@Naki Poo

Hee, well there is that! However, Apple reporting by El Reg I considered for a long time to be very good – perceptive with a delightful dash of irrelevance and it used to wear Apple’s refusal for press passes as a badge of honour. These days, a lot of it is filler, sadly… and a pretty poor standard of filler too.

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@AC.

I have time to read one tech site a day, so I'm a definite supporter of El Reg's reporting of things I may not see anywhere else.

"Foxconn-rebrander" may not be entirely correct, and it could be applied to other companies, but when a thing is sold on its "uniqueness", it doesn't hurt to point out the utter fallacy in that.

Regarding Lewis, it seems that there are a lot of people that don't like hearing things that challenge their points of view. That is their problem, not Lewis or El Reg.

<-<- Beer for the staff!

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Re: @AC.

"I have time to read one tech site a day, so I'm a definite supporter of El Reg's reporting of things I may not see anywhere else."

I'm wasn't saying that it shouldn't - but was commenting on the *quality* of some of the reporting.

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Re: As reported yesterday by other sites...

@Nanki Poo

Been following this Birdy News Site's history with Apple for many years now, so no need to read up.

Its just that Reg were once able to come up with witty one-liners (and not just for Apple) that made me laugh too.

But now, the lines are just the same day in day out. Foxconn rebrander made me laugh to, until i read it for the 1000th time. And the irony is that in that time, Reg Reporting has gone into the drink so that they are really just themselves a rebrander of news from other sites.

I used to like the Reg for their ability to add humour and provide a satirical opinion on tech/corporate affairs, but now it like watching a stand-up comic use the same act for 30 years. You can predict it, heck you could standup and do it.

This Birdy News site is losing its edge.

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Apple? Sounds more like

The umbrella corporation

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when is samsung building their own campus? - just asking ;)

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they have several.. in Korea.... London,..US...Singapore......Australia...

so... hexx... your point is???

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seen the icon? it's troll, troll alert ;)

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Samsung have several.. in Korea.... London,..US...Singapore......Australia...

And do these HQs have rounded corners like Apple's?

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I know one thing...

I don't know when, but I know what it will look like: a huge, open oval. Of course then Samsung will claim that they did NOT copy Apple.

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Re: I know one thing...

Expect to see a patent for this design being accepted by the USPO any time soon.

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*cough*

Top of the market

Hubris

Giant new HQ

Only one way to go

*cough*

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Unfortunate name....

...Oppenheimer.

If I was a Cupertinian, my objection to planning permission would include the line:

"One Oppenheimer nuked a small corner of Nevada, and another one is now wanting to nuke a small corner of California."

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Re: Unfortunate name....

Agreed.

All future Reg references to this guy should be as "Oppenheimer (no relation)". Right, Drew?

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Re: Unfortunate name....

How do you know this Apple CFO dude isn't related to the Shiva-Destroyer-of-Worlds-dude?

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Cupertino residents should keep their mouths shut...

...if they know what's good for them. After all, I'm sure they don't want a "low-income housing" project to go on the space instead, like happened up in Marin...

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Inspired by GCHQ? Closed, secretive, techie.....

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And full of holes!

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Why Bother

If I were on the planning council it would be hard for me to get behind this. It is so unique that there's no chance of finding another tennent after Apple gets off its plateau in a few years. Then we'd just be left with a big donut.

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It is so unique that there's no chance of finding another tennent...

Its high tech office space in CA...... I dont see a problem there...

add to that, its going to be made largely of glass, which will mean a steel subframe, it is quite proberble that an enterprising person would come along, snap it up cheap and make a few quid out of recycleing the glass and steeel....

big brother.... well it is apple innit

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Re: Why Bother

So we should aim for the lowest common denominator, for mediocrity? This is the reason US residential architecture (sprawl, more specifically) is derided as "cookie-cutter".

The US has some fantastic architects - use them!

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Re: Why Bother

You mean they're going to consume the world's supply of Tennents? That's certainly a way to get off their plateaux!

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Re: Why Bother

The problem is that most of those CA towns learned their lessons when "HUGE UNSTOPPABLE COMPANIES THAT WILL LAST FOREVER - NEW ECONOMY - FREEBIRD" didn't quite last forever and they were stuck with buildings no one wanted and the town couldn't afford to get rid of. My town went through this with a commercial locomotive service facility. This 230,000 sqFT facility had a solid copper roof and granite walls - salvage profit? -$1,200,000.

Most exterior commercial building glass is not recyclable, there's pretty much no glass in it, all non-recyclable plastics. Secondly it costs more to cut the steel and transport it than it is worth.

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If they don't let them build it they will relocate. It's as simple as that.

What is better, a ghost town or a busier town?

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"If they don't let them build it they will relocate. It's as simple as that."

Yes, I remember when I was in the area 12-ish years ago (from what I can tell, I lived about 10 mins walk from where this will be built!) that Fry's Electronics wanted to replace their Fremont store with a much bigger mega-store which I think went against local planning guidance. So they simply went to the City council and said "we'd love to be able to keep on paying you all the city sales tax that you levy on our sales, which will be even bigger in the new store, but if you don't give us planning permission then we'll reluctantly have to ask if one of your neighbouring cities would like us to move there instead" ... needless to say the new mega-store was approved.

BTW, given the plans for this new campus seem to be designed around the ability to keep all employees "inside the circle" at Apple only restauants etc to avoid gossip then its not exactly going to do much for a "busier town" ... apart from at morning and evening commute!

Finally, note the circular offices are 4 floors high ... again seem to recall that (at least for residential property) Cupertino city had a rule of no more than one floor - something to do with not having your "yard" overlooked by neighbours.

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