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It'll be all hands to the pumps in IT departments around the globe as Microsoft has issued this month's round of patches. There are 23 flaws to be fixed. The seven patches include three critical issues, affecting Microsoft Windows, Office, Silverlight, and the .NET Framework. One patch, MS12-034, sorts ten flaws, some of which …

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At last...no more IE6 fixes? After 200 patches is it eventually fixed?

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Nah

They're still giving it evils shouting DIE DIE DIE

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I wonder what they would name a true IE6 fix...

uninstall.exe? :)

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Wow - downvote-tastic.

Someone is obviously still in denial about just how "good" IE6 was...

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@Silverburn

No mate - they're just disappointed that you're still cracking tired old IE6 jokes. Comedians need new material to prosper, you know?

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New Material you say? I suppose Metro/win8 will be out soon. And iphone5. There should be enough comedy in there to last another 12 months.

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Re: @Silverburn

Or unhappy he doesn't understand what the phrase "unsupported" means.

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Re: @Silverburn

Since when is shouting Die Die Die a joke, its very serious and could get you in a lot of trouble!

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Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

I bought my wife an ASUS bouncy-bouncy (because it has now survived 19 counter-to-floor drops without damage) Eee PC which she uses for browsing for recipes and e-mail in the kitchen. Only a couple of programs loaded - Firefox and Irfan.

Then along comes Wednesday (we are one day ahead of Redmond), up pops the Update flag and once again the StartUp Repair kicks in.

Such fun. Normal service might be restored by Friday. It's enough to drive you to Linux.

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

I think you'll find that the EeePC runs OpenSuse very well and Firefox and Thunderbird will give all the functionality you currently need.

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

Phew thanks for the heads up.

We won't roll out the patches to 3500 machines we have, based on you laptop thats been dropped 19 times.

Maybe, just maybe,perhaps the machines knackered?

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

I already have been driven to Linux but fired up my virtual XP a few days ago. 21 updates took an hour and a half to install. Now I have 23 more to look forward to :(

FWIW I have had the misfortune to have been using Win7 on work machines, it sucks!

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

P.S. Last month I installed Xubuntu 11.10 on a friends eeePC 900. Everything works out of the box and its lightning fast.

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

We're all so happy for you.

Truely.

Now, unless you have nothing better to do than bleat on about about how much you detest windows, please go and do something more constructive.

Oh, FWIW i have been running windows 7 since its inception and its great!!!!!!

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

Do you think that Linux doesn't have updates? The question should really be: Do you want updates to trickle in through the month, or in a monthly batch? As it looks like this machine's required functionallity would be easily covered by Linux or Windows.

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

Bought my daughter an ASUS Eee pc for xmas year before last, she loves it and both hardware and software are pretty robust. Nevertheless the ASUS bloatware that came with it is shit and throws exceptions approximately every half hour. She just ok's them and carries on.

The point I'm making is that these machines have crappy OEM builds of windows with badly written services that don't do what they're supposed to and blow up all the time. That's not really Microsoft's fault, I'm sure ASUS could also mash up an install of UNIX if they tried hard enough...

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

If you have a crappy Windows 7 install then you or your IT dept are not very good.

Might want to revisit that support contract come renewal time. You know the time they are really eager to help at all costs but then once the ink is dry on the new contract they basically say "FU!" till its renewal time again.

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

I make a living cleaning all that crap off PCs. When the customers get them back they ask how they got a CPU and ram upgrade for free, its so much smoother and faster.

As I've mentioned before if you install Vista on a old PC as a clean bloatware free install and its really smooth, works great.

It's amazing that MS knows what it's doing but HP/Dell/Acer/Asus/Toshiba/Fujitsu haven't got a bloody clue and just wreck it all. So many people have never experienced the joy of a clean Windows install.

It's like a car manufacturer making a car and then welding the handbrake up on purpose.

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

you want the flaws left unfixed?

It comes at you free over the internet, you get to choose if it's downloaded automatically and installed or just downloaded,to be installed at your convenience, or downloaded when you want. How is this bad?

And as someone said, Linux doesn't have updates. You ever run Linux? It has updates. And that's great too.

Updates mean flaws in the system are corrected.

I don't know what you guys want, back in the good old days, you got a letter saying that a floppy of fixes was available and you sent off a blank disk and return postage and a handling fee and waited and then installed the upgrades. Course we weren't online in the same way then.

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

Uninstall all the rubbish you have, get rid of the bloat ware and at a guess, change the hard disk. Maybe with all the crap and defective hardware gone you can safely blame MS for screwing it.

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Re: Start Up Repair Routines

FFS it just needs a chkdsk c: /f from a cmd window, which I guarantee will stop your endless startup repair cycle.

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

That's what drives me mad about Windows, way too many updates. The disk doesn't stop going for about 10 minutes after log on. Plus then you have to let your machine install updates on shutdown too.

If you don't need it on the Internet (niche use purpose these days, but still a possibility) then you're probably best to update it to the latest service pack then disable network connectivity and update systems.

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Would you rather MS didn't fix the flaws then? Damned if you do, damned if you don't

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

It sure does but for ALL packages (including "3d parties" even flashplayer!!!) and more promptly.

The reboot is only required with a patch for the running kernel. Say, when LO or a web browser get updated, restart the app not the whole system.

And BTW, have not remembered an arbitrary remote code execution vuln. for a long time (especially, within an office or a web browser).

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

Yeah cos Linux 'just works' right?

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

Curious. Last time I tried 'buntu I was told I had to download the drivers for my network adapter... it flatly refused to tell me how to do this while the adapter was not currently working.

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

Perhaps a better option to use would be Mint for a beginner? Either way time to jump outta that freezing cold water that MS is and jump onto the iceberg.....

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

How about removing the requirement for a computer in the kitchen?

1. Buy cookbook

2. Instead of email, ask her to yell when dinner is ready

3. Win!

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Re: Another Big Patch Day, and a Week of Start Up Repair Routines

My ancient EEE came with Linux, out of the box.

It was OK, but ASUS cocked up the support a few months later, and I switched to Ubuntu.

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@jason 7

I did a clean install of Vista on a home built system. It was total crap and still would be if it were still there, so stop with the bullshit. Vista didn't have near the driver support it should have, and only slightly better software support. Windows 7 is much improved and is stable.

While I concur most of the vendors install crapware that slogs down the computer, that doesn't necessarily mean the underlying OS is decent. And frankly, if you're talking about the 64-bit versions of the OS, getting apps that run properly in a secured environment is still nigh unto impossible. Whether it is networked printer drivers, high end programs you would expect to be optimized for a 64-bit OS (Yeah Autodesk and Adobe I'm looking at you), or games on the home system, the programmers just don't seem to have any idea who to write and support them.

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@Blitterbug

With as many times as he's bounced it off the floor, there's almost certainly damage to at least one of the electronic components. chkdsk c: /f won't fix a broken component. Given that it is a laptop, best thing to do is replace it.

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Re: @jason 7

My experience with doing that on dozens of machines must lead me to think you are doing something wrong.

You can always let someone like me who knows what they are doing sort it out.

Doesn't hurt to admit when you are out of your depth.

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Thank You!

Thanks for the heads up El Reg!

I can't count the number of times at the end of a workday when your trying to get out the door to be greeted with 'Updating 1 of lord knows how many!'

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My guess would be once a month?

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Re: Thank You!

How many months does this happen on average before the typical user finally learns that updates happen on the second Tuesday?

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Re: Thank You!

To be fair to MS: If you're seeing this throughout the month, it's your IT department who are trickling updates to you as they're tested and ready, not MS.

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Re: Thank You!

@chandleo - I've never understood the people who stare frustrated at their machine waiting for it to power down. If my laptop is ever pausing at the "installing x of y updates" I'm usually well out the door, laptop either shoved in a drawer or updating merrily in my bag. It'll power off when complete, there's really no need to keep it company or even connected to a network.

Hopefully a handy hint to get you towards the pub sooner. Or like me, just never shut it down (standby or hibernate save a lot of time the next morning!)

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You'd be inpressed how quickly that laptop can overheat in there. If its an nVidia or ATI chipset, one day it'll refuse to ever boot again.

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I have at least a few users who used to complain to me about how their XP machines were 'always bothering them' about wanting to restart after installing updates, so I decided to watch closer to see what was up... Turns out they never did actually let them restart, so of course they were being nagged. Once I explained to them that if they actually let the machine restart (or shutdown at the end of the day) then it wouldn't constantly bother them, the complaints dried up.

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Re: Thank You!

Brilliant! A slap on the head! Shirley by now there's a huge accumulated surplus of such, usused and once destined for the back of some fool's head. Let's get cracking!

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Re: once a month?

No, I've gotten the notice more than once on my home system a couple times in the last 6 months. Given that I normally log on to the system once a day, if they all install at once that shouldn't be the case. Still, if you are hitting the Shutdown button on your way out the door, it shouldn't be an issue, even if it is downloading 23 patches from that huge update they did about 2 years back.

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@Darryl: that'll fix 90% of them.

The other 10% you need to worry about. It can be indicative of a patch not installing, and that means something else is broken on the system. Probably an incomplete update for something else, but also possibly malware, especially on XP SP3.

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"Cloned code detection system"

Or how about not using copy and paste to write code in the first place?

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Re: "Cloned code detection system"

Yeah, let's all write everything from scratch every time we start coding.

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Re: "Cloned code detection system"

You have heard of shared libraries?

I'd have thought by now with the amount of dlls scattered about the system that they'd actually be used for what they were originally designed for.

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Re: "Cloned code detection system"

Yes, I've heard of shared libraries, have you heard of "dll hell"...?

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Re: "Cloned code detection system"

Yes. Funny how Unix systems manage to get by even so.

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Sorry, I thought we were talking about Windows...

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Oh B*LL*CKS! I just set up an old laptop for my Mother-in-law so she could be an occasional Internet user, going online with her PAYG USB dongle.

Perhaps I should invest in a second data plan just for the F***** updates!!!

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Get Autopatcher. Download updates on fast internet connection. Put on dongle. Run patches on mother in law's PC.

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