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BT has been granted more time to respond to an order to block The Pirate Bay that was handed down by the UK's High Court in London late on Friday afternoon. The Register understands that a separate announcement from BT is imminent. "We continue to have discussions with the BPI and we hope to announce an outcome acceptable to …

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Anonymous Coward

BPI retards

> "The individuals responsible for operating The Pirate Bay have total disregard for the rights of musicians," he said

And the individuals at Google, who provide all of those same nice links ?

Why not address your business model Mr Fscktard? Incapable? clueless? wanting to retain your extortionate price levels indefinitely?

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@ AC 1627h-- Re: BPI retards

>And the individuals at Google, who provide all of those same nice links ?<

The individuals at Google are rich, that's different.

There.

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Anonymous Coward

oh noes!! now ill have to use one of the many other file sharing websites.

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Annoying, but predictable...

...and the block will last all of five minutes until an alternative is found.

Napster was blocked, then there was AudioGalaxy.

After that Kazaa....

After that E-donkey...

After that Torrents....

There are always other indexing sites - www.google.com for example, so this block will accomplish precisely zero.

Ah well, it makes the 'hard-pressed music industry' feel good, so maybe they'll be quiet for a while.

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Re: Annoying, but predictable...

The E-Donkey client may be dead but the network is still going strong. Check out E-Mule

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Re: Annoying, but predictable...

Actually at first there were newsgroups. There are still newsgroups.

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Re: Annoying, but predictable...

Ssssshhhhhhh!

Don't tell them about the newsgroups!

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Anonymous Coward

Wankers

What actual quantitative evidence was the judge provided, based on which this judgement was made? Was it statistically significant?

And moreover, what was he fed ,dined and wined on? On which yacht?

Please start listing alternatives and idiots guides ,how to do VPNs, proxies etc.

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Re: Wankers

>>"What actual quantitative evidence was the judge provided, based on which this judgement was made? Was it statistically significant?"

>>"And moreover, what was he fed ,dined and wined on? On which yacht?"

And what evidence do [b]you[/b] have the judge was given any kind of inducement?

(note: wanting to believe something doesn't count as 'evidence')

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Re: Wankers

And what evidence do [b]you[/b] have the judge was given any kind of inducement?

We all know it happens sometimes, but as you say - evidence is necessary.

It's far more likely that the judge just doesn't understand how the Internet works, and therefore doesn't understand how short-sighted and pointless his ruling actually is. It scores great propaganda points for the *PI's and the *AAs but the real world effects are much smaller (wedge based arguments aside).

Sadly, it's us that will pay. Possibly with some freedom, but definitely financially. The ISPs are going to have to pay running costs for this, the media industry have to cough up their 5K. The problem is, in both cases their main source of money is us!

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Re: Wankers

Don't forget that this was still basically a civil case - therefore the judge does not get to choose the punishment. Therefore whether or not he understands the effectiveness of this doesn't come into it - he was asked for a blocking order based on several (overseas) trials that have all found PB guilty, so there was only ever going to be one outcome.

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weeping lawyers

Won't someone think of the poor musicians ! wont someone think of the poor sound engineers ! All conveniently forgetting to mention that the artists only get a pittance and the suits and their lawyers get to keep the lions share,

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Hang on a sec

But doesn't this go against the recent ruling from the EU?

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Methinks any and all statistical measure of piracy in the UK will still go UP this year. In fact, I'd bet on it if I could be bothered.

I can see where the courts are coming from - this is illegal and can't be condoned - but tail-chasing exercises while record companies are still making record profits each years seems a bit silly. Of course you have to do something with the legal framework but it's all a bit pointless and won't change the way the industry records piracy (i.e. everything we didn't sell on a title we wanted to shift 50m units must have been a pirate, no matter the quality or the available data).

I don't pirate, myself, but it's going to increase again. And why would I pirate the junk that they show? I haven't been to the cinema in 5+ years, because it's all junk, and vastly overpriced. You could let me in for free most nights and I still wouldn't bother to go. I re-buy 20+ year old series on DVD to have something decent to watch and not have to worry about the DRM, because everything else is tripe. Even the new stuff I like (e.g. Not Going Out, etc.) I wait for the DVD or just watch on iPlayer. I don't even buy music - never have - because I don't listen to it except by accident if someone else puts a radio on or something.

Yet I still could spend hundreds or even thousands a year on the right media, and the right quality material, if it were available. Still could spend hours in cinemas eating high-markup popcorn if there was anything worth watching at a sensible price (you have to compete with DVD's, games and TV that work out to significantly less than £1 / hour over their lifetimes). Still could be telling all my pals about the film I just saw, etc. I do still spend buckets on games (mostly indie now because the AAA's are thoughtless eye candy). If there was ANYTHING worth doing that for or any way to do it sensibly, I'd be doing it. But there isn't, and I'm not a pirate, do I spend an awful lot of money ELSEWHERE. They count that as "loss of earnings" and pour the rest of their profit into lawsuits rather than content and yet still next year the problem will get worse again (by their reckoning).

Until you realised this, please carry on chasing your tails, media-industries. Here's hoping after about 20-30 shutdowns like this, people just get pissed with the "big 5" ISP's (the only ones required to put this block in place) and move elsewhere instead, or the ISP's and courts get bored with piracy STILL increasing after they've supposedly put measures in place to curtail it (which means the measures are worthless and hence not worth the court's time to implement).

Circumventing this block is seriously as simple as using an ISP that doesn't have it, or any of a million and one more "technical" workarounds.

But I *GUARANTEE* you that next year piracy rates will still rise again. Because the problem is not the pirate, and not the "free" price.

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They shoot themselves in the foot EVERYTIME

Speaking for myself here, what others do is down to them.

I'm an impatient git who refuses to wait x day\weeks\months\years to get the latest TV Shows\Series from overseas. If I had a legal method of downloading the latest and greatest at a reasonable price then I would use it, but no, there isn't one. So I download the stuff and then buy the Box Sets when they come out on BD in the UK.

Even if I waited for the Box Sets to come out, I'd still want an HD Digital copy that I could have on my Media Server to watch on whatever device I wanted at home. Fair rights usage and all that.

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Overpriced...

I went to watch Pirates in the cinema last light with my 2 children and am now £40 worse off.

On a positive note it was only the three of us watching it at 7pm so it almost offsets the price :)

I wonder how much it cost them to run the film lol.

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Re: They shoot themselves in the foot EVERYTIME

I was surprised to see the latest season of "The Big Bang Theory" on DVD will also ship with a digital copy, hope it catches on and becomes standard practice, it's ludicrous having to rip everything just to get stuff in a convenient format for media servers/players.

A lot of what the industry like to call piracy is just people trying to get their favorite shows in formats we can use with the newest technology, or in a reasonable time period, face it, the Internet means that popular media needs simultaneous world wide release, or fans will just end up sharing it

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Re: They shoot themselves in the foot EVERYTIME

Exactly - Channel 4 showed 11 episodes of New Girl and then just stopped for no reason.The box set isn't out until 8th October.

I downloaded the other 11 episodes that had been shown in the US.

These big TV networks do a great job of not giving people what they want and then moan when people do the equivalent of getting their mate in the USA to send a VHS across the Atlantic.

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Re: They shoot themselves in the foot EVERYTIME

You can buy it in iTunes for the tiny sum of £40.

£40!?!

What the **** are the studio thinking?!?

(N.B. The studio/distributer sets the price, not Apple. Calm down at the back.)

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Anyone read the comments on the BBC?

People keep comparing copyright infringment with theft...which leads to all sorts of confusion between ownership and licensees, and also copying ideas vs taking possessions.

I'm not condoning it but people should know the difference.

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Anonymous Coward

Re: Anyone read the comments on the BBC?

They deliberately confuse the two. In their eyes it's theft of a physical thing right up to the instant where I want to sell it second hand and suddenly as if by magic it's back to the "you only license it" argument.

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Re: Anyone read the comments on the BBC?

Isn't that a bit like examining the cracks and oily striations in a steaming turd?

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Big Brother

Re: Anyone read the comments on the BBC?

perhaps at least some of those commentards are industry shills?

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anonymouse

Oh, just go to http://www.anonymouse.org and put the URL in, any URL.

There BPI, that lasted a long time didn't it ;-)

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Twitter next

Hey! I know! Lets block twitter next, they are guilty of distributing illegal information (see super injections)

Next stop, the great firewall of china!

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Angel

Re: Twitter next

I once had a super injection but it was for a bone marrow donor. I did feel better about why I was doing it but by christ did it hurt.

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Mushroom

Re: Twitter next

god damn you autocorrect! <shakes fist>

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In France they introduced a 3 strike law, online piracy dropped, so did media sales.

http://www.ghacks.net/2012/04/01/hadopi-cut-piracy-in-france-but-sales-down-as-well/

How exactly did that move help the media industry?

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Anonymous Coward

Online piracy only dropped in France as people moved to VPN's and MAGNET links, hence were no longer *measurable* as pirates....

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Hadopi: torrents => streaming

The most noticeable effect Hadopi had in France was it boosted streaming websites and megaupload memberships. I wouldn't be surprised to see torrents getting more popular again as a result of megaupload and videobb closing.

As for this TPB block, my main browser is Opera, and it has a little button for when I'm on a slow network and want to speed up my browsing and that's also helped me in the past when my ISP's DNS servers went down...

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Give us a reasonable alternative

My wife and I pay a small fortune for access to all the cable media.

The money is a factor but, convenience is too.

Companies aren't delivering content "when I want it, where I want it".

If people were provided a reasonable alternative to Pirate Bay it might not be missed.

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Re: Give us a reasonable alternative

I'm in the same boat as you.

Spending £100+ (not including movies on demand purchases and as a seperate whine its pissing me off that old movies I can buy on DVD for £2.99 are still £5 per view on demand or £6 in HD) a month for the biggest virgin package and yet I still fire up torrents several times a week to get TV episodes that wont be available locally for months or to watch them when I want to watch them. No I will not be paying extra on top of that for virgins TiVo service.

If it wasn't for occasional international sports I would probably drop almost everything and switch to torrent heavy viewing.

I want to do the right thing but there is only so much I am willing to pay and recently i've been feeling like i'm past the reasonable limit.

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Re: Give us a reasonable alternative

HA! The cable companies are the biggest pirates of all. My son works in "a foreign land" and he's a big rugby fan. The owner of the establishment he works in looked into getting the 6 nations competition on cable so he and a couple of ex-pats could watch the games.

The cable company they get their sports television from would supply the 6 nations rugby competition, but only as part of an annual package costing $16,000.

And they wonder why people pirate stuff!!!!

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"whole of the creative community will benefit from today's action"

Bollocks! It's the accountants who'll benefit and they'll just carry on using their finely honed techniques to screw the artists out of even more money.

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Just shows you what kind of morons lawyers are (not to mention content providers). You don't need The Pirate Bay - it's peer-to-peer.

Plus, The Pirate Bay publish their ip addresses (and keep changing them) - easily found with simple web search. What - they going to block all search engines in UK? Even if they do - how are they going to block mailing lists? Word of mouth? Non-piratebay owned mirrors? Proxies? And that's just easy workarounds (nmap anyone?)

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Ultimately

While I don't agree with the entertainment industry, I don't agree with the pirates either. There needs to be some middle road everyone can walk.

Ultimately, if the pirates keep evading the censor, and they will, it will result in a whitelist internet. That is, you will only be able to connect to websites specifically allowed. Everything else will be blocked by default.

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Re: Ultimately

What a load of tosh. They need to make people want to change behaviour, prohibition does not stop anything. People will just move to private networks/dark nets; piracy has been on the internet from day one (except it was just via usenet and irc channels).

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Re: Ultimately

I call bollocks Sir

Whats happening is everything is becoming more and more biased towards the production companies because they wont evolve.

I run a business and to stay trading I have to continually update and change the way I interact with the world and my customers. If I dont, the business dies. Simples

These guys dont want to do this, they dont want to innovate or update, I mean, hell, why should they as they are being afforded special legal protection to carry on as usual. If anyone dares to innovate they get stomped on.

Piracy is not right, hell I hate the term piracy as it goes with the whole copyright is theft argument too, both of which are tosh. However if I want to consume any of the entertainm,ent I'm faced with an issue. I watch House MD for example. I'm not willing to wait the artifially induced delay from the states, I can buy the episodes so off to Isohunt it is.

When they do have a good idea they manage to hobble it. Netflix and Lovefilm doing exclusivity deals and being restricted to obscenly old contect. Yes its only £6 a month but to get any assortment of film you need both and THEN you'll only be up to the 90s in terms of recent films.

Creative output is dropping too, the quality of music, film and TV programming is in freefall and yet somehow they are still making record profits. We've gone from half a dozen good releases of films, probobly the same with albums and TV shows to one of the three a year, if that.

Make it easier to consume

Remove artificial limitations

Make something worth consuming

Profit

Simples

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Re: Ultimately

Whitelisted Internet?

I suspect you don't work in IT but please stick around because that's the funniest thing I've heard all week

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Re: Ultimately

Works for China.

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Re: Ultimately

erm... I agree with some of this, but House (and others...) is on in the UK a couple of days after the US and you can't wait that long?

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Anonymous Coward

Responsibility now?

Now that our the internet connections are censored by the BPI who can I sue for all that inappropriate content that shocks, scares and sometimes arouses?

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So it's not illegal to own and run a website of links (O'Dwyer's TV-Shack) but it is illegal to view such a site?

What a pile of crock.

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it's funny

how they think that censorship of this kind makes any difference whatsoever.

The only difference is, it has set a precedence: "we have already blocked those nasty pirates, so now let's use the momentum and block... eenie meenie miney mo, which one should it be... the hard porn, the pedobear, the occupy the streets "excremists"?

wait, what about "grey imports" websites, they're illegal too, right?

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When

is that block supposed to happen?

Just wondering...

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the Internet treats censorship as a fault and routes around it

Time to put Piratebay's content onto a distributed hash table based system. The reason most people don't use Tor is because it is slow. But it needn't be slow if all it needs using for to replace Piratebay is index Magnet link files.

Use Tor or something similar to post, search for and obtain the Magnet links, then use Bittorrent to download/seed them.

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Anonymous Coward

It's only gonna get worse

TPB will vanish and more pirates will be prosecuted because piracy is a crime.

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Re: It's only gonna get worse

LOL! :-P

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Anonymous Coward

Re: It's only gonna get worse

yes, piracy is a crime! Hijacking ships is a heinous crime..

Copyright violation on the other hand is not a crime, it is a civil offence...

Thats not to say its right, but it is not a crime in itself...

Misinformation is just as bad as censorship..

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pointless

Im not saying that one way or the other is right, that's a separate issue but I really do question the intelligence of the people who started this block the bad guy motion.

Do they honestly think that it will make the slightest bit of difference?

I can promise you, that within a few min of them block TPB I could be back on it again.

I also wonder how much it is going to cost to do all this legal stuff, and finally I wonder what will happen to the biggest torrent distribution site of them all, Google.

I dunno, all seems a bit knee jerk to be honest, as I said, TPB, right or wrong, it doesn't matter and is not apart of my point I just feel the folk making this up has no idea what they are trying to do.

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