Re: Just remember this
Except you can buy a 15" laptop for £300 and it's not really easy or fair to make a comparison at all.
HTC messed up in 2011 by releasing too many similar handsets. There was nothing actually wrong with phones likes the Sensation, Sensation XL, Sensation XE or Incredible S but equally none of them had me itching to upgrade my Desire HD ahead of schedule. HTC One X quad-core Android smartphone The X factor: HTC's One X Now HTC …
Except you can buy a 15" laptop for £300 and it's not really easy or fair to make a comparison at all.
I think the point was that a £700 laptop shouldn't have a 1366x720 screen - whereas you would expect that or similar for a £300 laptop?
I just had a 'chat' consultation with a Dell salesdroid who confirmed the highest resolution they offer is 1920x1080, and that on top end devices. He said that people were "choosing lower resolution over other advantages" although how much choice is actually available escapes me.
You should go to a store and see those i7 w/2 gb dedicated gpu RAM monsters with 720 output.
They moved to absurd and Apple didn't miss chance to hit them with excellent dpi.
Typing this on my $1500 EliteBook (work machine - I had no choice in the matter) maxed at 1366x768.
I miss my old 4x3 Dell and its 1440x900... QQ
I mean, one of the key features of this 5-core Tegra Chip is the low power 5th core that will run basic operations when nothing special is required!
So, HOW do you think its OK to write up a review on this, giving only battery rundown while playing video / heavy use ???
I want to know how long this phone will stay alive in my pocket with WIFI and GPS off, but 3G radio on for eventual phone calls!
People are well aware that they can't play videos or games on these phones forever. Whats interesting is, how long they will work as a regular phone, if you need them to just be a regular phone while you're traveling and can't charge them at your house or office...
TheReg is known for bishbashbosh reviews, but this is really taking it too far :(
My SGSII for example can suck down its battery pretty quick under heavy use, but it will hold up close to 48 hours with superfluous stuff turned off, when I need it to just be a phone. Would have been interesting if that new Tegra can improve on that with the 4 main cores sleeping.
Problem is, mobile OSes are new enough to have been developed at least somewhat with resolution independence in mind. Desktop OSes - Windows is the worst offender, but Linux and OS X are barely better - are crap at it. Put a 200dpi screen on a computer and you'll spend half your time trying to force apps and especially websites to display in a way that's actually visible. I should know, I've owned a Vaio C1XD and a P...the P's probably the highest density display you've been able to buy in a PC. It's very nice. But it's a giant PITA trying to get OSes to use it properly. Heck, one of the biggest knocks against the P in reviews was 'the fonts are too small'. Sigh.
...........somewhat torn. Yes, this phone is very lovely and yes, the specs are very "drool-worthy" but I cannot get past the fact that all the major OEMs consider, allegedly, that design criteria (thinness and lightness) are of such overwhelming importance that battery life and expandable storage become the victims of collateral damage. The former is still, by any rational standards, poor (regardless of which high-end phone we are talking about, it tends to vary between just about tolerable and downright pony) and expansion is being increasingly thrown out of the lifeboat on the assumption that punters with larger storage needs will use the cloud (the potential costs of such dependence of course could very easily blow a very large hole in your "plan"). Whilst we may not be talking the kind of "lock-in" we associate with a "curated system" such as that practised by A Well Known Major Phone Producer we are none the less on the way to ending up in a hardware-driven usage pattern lock-in where the phone producers are basically telling us how we shall use and manage our smartphones to a degree that we simply did not automatically associate with the Android os as recently as half a year ago. You want/need extra storage - use the cloud. You want a selection of videos on your phone - stream them via the cloud. I do not believe that I am the only one who sees the pattern here. It is not just design issues IMHO that are driving this. The hardware producers are essentially cooperating with the creation of a degree of carrier lock-in and dependence on large amounts of bandwidth and the costs thereof it we are going to be able to use our smartphones as, well, smart-phones. I can foresee a point coming where carriers will no longer offer smartphones on contract that have locally expandable storage and I fear that the OEMs are cooperating with doing their dirty work for them.
I find myself agreeing with you about storage, which is why I'm actually considering the One S - that one still has a slot for a card. Sure it might not have the power and the look of the One X, but that SD card slight might be enough to make the decision for me....
I don't think the One S has an SD card slot either.
Why did I get the idea it did? Oh well - that makes looking for a new phone harder again. At least I've got another 3 months left on this contract...
Well, it's either -
Some vendor/carrier conspiracy to allow only certain types of phone that tend towards being used in a way that maximises bandwidth...
Other types of phone didn't seel so well and this is what the marketplace has shaken out. In other word, they are selling what most people want to buy.
If you really cannot make do with 32gb of storage you really need to take a long hard look at the dross you are carrying around on your phone.
It's enough for more music than you can listen to in a week and a couple of good films or a tv series.
For me it's not the storage space, it's the fact that it's not on a card that I can take out and move to somewhere else, and I sure as hell don't want to be reliant on "Cloud storage" (which I just don't like).
Hell, I can make do with a tenth of the storage they're offering - I've got an mp3 player for music, and a camera for photos, so I barely use what I have on the Desire HD I'm using now, but I want it to be in a way I can move it around without having to try and find a USB cable every time.
"For me it's not the storage space, it's the fact that it's not on a card that I can take out and move to somewhere else, and I sure as hell don't want to be reliant on "Cloud storage" (which I just don't like)."
Precisely one of the points I had in mind. -:)
There are apps on the market which let you share your sd card through the windows network (using samba, if you know what that is, its the protocol name if you don't)
You run the app, then it shares your card for a limited timeframe until you close the app.
I use it sometimes, when I don't have the USB cable with me, but to be honest, the amount of time I go out of the house without the cable is close to zero, as i often run out of battery, so the cable is almost always with me
US Version of the One X (Evo 4g) has an SD slot, but it's Snapdragon S4 not Tegra 3.
"Other types of phone didn't seel so well and this is what the marketplace has shaken out. In other word, they are selling what most people want to buy."
"Want to buy"? I would not have expressed that way. I believe that to some extent the producers, the carriers (who have huge market influence within phone retail in the UK and to all intents and purposes own the US market in mobile phones) and increasingly the cloud-service providers see a huge commonality of interest which has not yet quite dawned on the average non-techie and therefore why the punter should regard local expansion as important/desirable. The scale of the kind of service/product/storage provision OTA that this unholy triumvirate are hoping to achieve is way bigger than is currently extant given that this market is still very much in it's infancy. They absolutely do not want any cheap, easy alternative to data transfer and storage for the average member of Joe Public. That commonality of interest I referred to above is all that is needed to ensure that the OTA cartel that would be the logical end-point of this would come into effect. No formal conspiracies, nothing you risk jail-time or fines for, just the good old "nod is as good as a wink" understanding. However, it gets worse. There are huge infrastructure costs associated with all this and that will drive merger/takeover consolidation in the industry within a few years at most. What happens to the market when, perhaps, a major carrier hooks up with a major cloud-service provider and (maybe) a major phone-producer as well? It does not take too much imagination to see (just as an example) Google/Moto hooking up with, say, Verizon or AT&T. Now there you would end up with a truly unholy trinity (by that I mean the combination of carrier, producer and cloud-provider - I am not having a pop at any particular company, they are just real-world examples.). They would own your arse as far as your mobile communications and computing were concerned (assuming the popularity of tablets as pc continue to grow). Restricted and or non-existent local storage expansion is a key building block in the kind of monopoly situation we may, very unfortunately, be seeing the first faint outlines of in the distance.
While I agree with the main sentiment of your post; as long as a phone has WiFi then there will be cheap data transfer. (I wonder who'll be the first to get rid of it?)
Precisely. Before the cloud there were these things called pc's - and even with my iPhone I can pull files from my home pc either on wifi or 3G.
I carry 95% of what I need on the phone and the other 5% is in my documents available in most places where I can get 3G or a wifi hotspot.
Not a cloud in sight and never will be if I have anything to say about it.
Be nice if HTC offered 2 versions. One as is, the other 2-3mm thicker with thicker and therefore higher battery capacity. Could be done with the right design and a swapable back case perhaps?
Oh and for those interested the HTC Desire HD comes in at a benchmark score of 2596, just below the Samsung Galaxy S.
I use Subsonic on my HTC Desire HD and stream all my music and extensive DVD collection to my phone via my own PC. 3 gives me unlimited data and VM give me 50Mb/5Mb down/upload. So with a decent phone connection I'm laughing...
With 40 apps running on my phone, it is becoming sluggish.
Samba isn't a protocol. Samba is the open source implementation of SMB, also known as NetBIOS, also known as "Windows File and Printer Sharing", also known as "a godawful travesty that people nonetheless have to support because it's popular".
Well this is The Register. If I can't be pedantic here, where else is there?
"While I agree with the main sentiment of your post; as long as a phone has WiFi then there will be cheap data transfer. (I wonder who'll be the first to get rid of it?)"
It is indeed WiFi that is and may continue be our saving grace here as far as my somewhat dystopic vision of the future of the smartphone is concerned. It's utility at home is so flaming obvious that even the most techno-illiterate punter would think twice before being willing to buy a phone that lacked that facility - and of course if you can't sell such phones in the first place....? -:). In addition of course the increasing ubiquity of WiFi hotspots (bar, hotels, airports, public building etc etc) does rather limit how far they can go - at least as far as one can see at the moment.
Travesty or not, it gets the job done and has done so or decades. Fit for purpose. If it ain't broke...
I had a blackberry die on me about a year and a half ago.. stone dead; black screen, no reaction when turned on, took it apart and checked all the connections to the mainboard etc. tried a replacement battery. dead as a doorknob (tbf, this was probably my fault more than RIM's, the phone had traveled with me half way across the world at this point, from muddy swamps to the indian ocean and back. Id replaced the trackball and dried saltwater out of it once as well).
Lost all my numbers that I had stored on it as well as some notes that had been saved to internal storage.
What I didn't lose was all my photos and videos that I had saved on the microSD card. Birthdays, nights out, holiday photos with the gf, stuff that would at least be annoying to lose.
I have an HTC now, but I would never consider getting a single point of failure phone like this.
Evernote for saving notes and an external card for storage FTW.
... Just a phone.
Apple 4S ?
... Just a phone
Although you have a valid point, ultimately, the market moves toward what consumers want, which usually boils down to what sells.
If, indeed, we see a trend toward cloud based storage at the expense of phone storage, we may just see Joe Public vote with their feet, opting for phone models with physical storage.
Not only that, but we may see media consumption and purchase actually dwindle on the back of poor 3G (and future 4G) connectivity - the movie you put on the cloud is no bloody good if you can't stream it.
In other words, whilst your concerns are valid, I don't think it will reach that point.
Also, I would have to say, 32Gb on a phone is a reasonably hefty amount of storage - add on a sim and well, your laughing.
It's fit for purpose so long as every single node is running Windows. I wouldn't say it's gotten the job done for decades though, when the earlier incarnations of Windows used to do silly things like turning your entire filesystem and all attached printers into the Internet's playpen.
FAT has "gotten the job done" for a while too. A long while ago, as a bit of a mental exercise, I decided to try and come up with the most simple, godawful, would-lead-to-a-system-fragmented-as-hell-but-it-would-work filesystem that I could think of. Explained it to a more learned person and they responded with "uhm, have you ever read up on how FAT works?"
It was then that I fully understood the ire directed at that filesystem. It is truly awful, a travesty of design that belongs in the twisted imagination of geeks who like to torture their computers. Lately it's become a useful means for Microsoft to turn companies who don't use WIndows upside down and shake them to see what comes out.
It does the job though. Has done for years.
It's still not enough space for _all_ of your music if you have a decent collection, and that's a key barrier. Any amount of storage less than 'enough for everything' is a whole different ball game from 'enough to stick everything on there and never worry about what's on it and what isn't again'.
I agree, This is a fantastic looking device, but i am frustrated by my iPhone for its endurance, it seriously stops me using the smart features to preserve the phone function should i really need it, I have elderly parents and kids to fret over. other than the battery life, i would already have my order in, I would not mind the additional heft for piece of mind that i could leave it all week on standby or use it solidly for a couple of days mixed calls and data, I agree on the storage as well, conspiratorial. the cloud is a bit of a myth particularly if you start travelling
And you are going to use this "power" for what exactly?
Battery life is much more important.
>And you are going to use this "power" for what exactly?
For good, obviously.
Hack the planet! ;)
You'll regret it! Any and all advances that HTC make in their phone range is balanced on the other hand with their TERRIBLE customer service. God love anybody who's phone breaks under warranty and they have to deal with HTC support. I'd rather switch back to a Nokia 3110 than to have to deal with those clowns again.
to counter this - the screen on my wildfire S stop responding to touch. A call to customer support went through a soft, then hard reset, then a UPS collection from my work and delivery of the fixed phone 4 days later to my home.
One of the best customer service departments I've ever dealt with.
Souds like you're one of the miniscule group that have had a bad experience with HTC. As a 10+ year HTC customer I've always been happy ith both products and service.
When unsure, try to replace the "hoos" sound with "who is".
Does it make sense?
No => then it's "whose"
Yes => then it's "who's"
I think that camera lens jutting out of the back looks pretty ugly and I'm not sure I like the idea of a phone which has no micro SD slot. I think HTC are being as cynical as Apple by removing it knowing that they can shunt people up to the X who might otherwise have been happy with a cheaper One S and an SD expansion.
Otherwise it looks pretty nice. Not sure what you need a phone with 4 cores for but I guess some games might make use of the power.
Previously 'Look Ahead' >It’s said that Nvidia’s Tegra 3 processor will be five times faster than last year’s dual-core Tegra 2 - and more power efficient too.<
So what happened? the fifth core was there for when the phone was just doing basic stuff, so what's sucking all the battery life? the screen? and two and a half hours life when playing a game means to all intents and purposes you're never gonna play a 3D game on it without being plugged in.
I'm guessing the next tech jump will be colour and e-ink screen integration to save the battery.
And yea, it's just tight not putting a SD slot in there - glad they finally put a decent speaker in their phone (only took, what? fifteen iterations).
Just started a new 2 year contract so can't wait to see what's out then...
No, the next step is to offer a OLED screen. That'll save some power. I can see people setting up dark colour themes in order to save more power.
Look at all the Apple fan boys panicking.. Yet another phone that's better than the best apple can offer.
Worth mentioning there is a firmware update that significantly improves battery life just released.
Me I'm still really pleased with my Xperia ARC S, and I won't be upgrading for another 12 months. This is just the start of the next round of iPhone killers.
I don't see any apple fans panicking
I do see HTC losing 70% profit because of crap phones
They ought to be panicking
> Spins an HTC review to say fanbois are panicking when actually most comments are more along the lines of "nice phone, where's the SD card slot"
> Uses a Sony device
"Look at all the Apple fan boys panicking.. Yet another phone that's better than the best apple can offer."
Really? I don't see a 64GB version of the One X. Do you?
(Come to that, I don't see Apple selling a phone named after a famously cheesy BBC talk show either.)
Why we, customers should care about how much a particular company rips off their users? That is for share owners and market.
Android is and will always be cut throat market because of its PC like nature.
If you don't differentiate spending huge money to research and design, people will go buy a generic device. There is a healthy but hard core competition there.
Review units should have been updated as per HTC's request to firmware 1.27. Sounds like this one was not updated, as the update significantly improves battery life.
firmware 1.28 is due V Soon for consumer handsets that includes those fixes plus a couple of others.
"There is a healthy but hard core competition there."
Where no one makes any money and companies go out of business. Gateway for example...
Gateway basically sold shite that nobody wanted.
IBM got out of the PC market that they inadvertently created because they were basically selling under-specced shite in ugly boxes for a huge premium because of the "IBM" tag. Big surprise nobody bought them.
If nobody is making money from Android, howcomes there are still a ton of new Android phones coming out?
For the sake of a few cents manufacturing that's a sale lost. This is meant to be a smartphone right, a converged computing device ? For the same reasons I'll be damned if I buy a desktop or laptop which doesn't have any expandable storage, the same goes for my smartphones.
Why should I have to depend on a connection (wifi or 3g) and be using my my allowance when I can just use cheap reliable cards I can swap around between devices. I'm also often in areas where there is no coverage, and that's in my own country, let alone out foreign. I have a large music and video collection I want to use - what use is the 'cloud' when I'm sitting up in the Atlas mountains or am out in rural France, or even just camping ten miles away from home at my favourite spot ? I don't want to have to be jiggling around adding and deleting files continuously when I can just put on them on a card once and be done with it.