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Details of Sony's next-gen console flooded the web today, with the PlayStation 4 - apparently codenamed Orbis - set for a Q4 2013 release, it has been claimed. While Microsoft insists there will be no talk of next-gen consoles at E3 2012, gamers' attentions have switched towards its Japanese rival. And now "reliable" insiders …

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You mean.. 1080p at last

Because current consoles almost always draw at 720p or sub-720p resolutions to keep the frame rates reasonable.

4K x 2K? Haha, god no. Maybe for a menu, but no chance for a game.

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Re: You mean.. 1080p at last

I have plenty of native 1080p 60FPS games on my PS3. Perhaps you bought a shit console...

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Re: You mean.. 1080p at last

Wipeout 1080p @ 60FPS

debate all you want about how it happens, but it happens.

Developers are lazy as possible when it comes to porting too and figure most people can't tell the difference anyway. They're right. most people don't bother to look on the back of the box to read the resolution spec.

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Re: You mean.. 1080p at last

Yep the PS3 is such a 1337 console that third place behind even me too Microsoft is great. Selling almost a hundred million less PS3s than PS2 shows Sony is heading in the right direction as well.

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Re: You mean.. 1080p at last

Barely any games on the PS3 support native 1080p and even those that do - like Wipeout HD - take shortcuts, like dropping the resolution during the more graphically demanding scenes in order to maintain the framerate. Plenty of games on the PS3 run at less than 720p, like GTAIV and Viking: Battle for Asgard. The PS3 is no less "shit" than any of the other consoles on the market.

You can play the whole "PS3 is better than X360" nonsense until you're blue in the face but the reality is that both consoles are graphically dated and should have been replaced years ago. The only gaming platform that offers 1080p @60fps for all games is the PC.

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Re: You mean.. 1080p at last

"The only gaming platform that offers 1080p @60fps for all games is the PC"

Maybe, or maybe not. My PC is graphically dated too.

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It's all moot anyway

since the highest resolution monitor I've been able to find is 2048 x 1536 and they started at about 5 grand (Australian). Sub-1000 dollars gets you 1920 x 1200 at best, and it's been like that for a while now.

I recently went looking for a monitor to upgrade and what I found was this: the 2048 x 1536 was a 22" LED job and that was the biggest (in fact the only) screen I could find at that resolution. I found loads of monitors up to 24" with 1920 x 1200, but oddly enough the bigger monitors (26" and 28") only sported 1920 x 1080, or 1080p. I could not, after 3 hours of searching, find a monitor bigger than 24" that had any higher resolution than that.

So unless the LCD/LED manufacturers suddenly and dramatically increase the resolution of their screens, having the ability to display 4k x 2k will simply be a waste since nobody will have a monitor (much less a telly) that can support it.

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Re: You mean.. 1080p at last

"The only gaming platform that offers 1080p @60fps for all games is the PC."

Only 1080p? I've been running 4072x1024 for about 5 years now. ;-)

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Re: You mean.. 1080p at last

My PC is well old, no chance it will play games, get a grip with your comparisons

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Sounds shitty

All that lock-in. No backward compatibility (OK Cell emulation might be vvvvvv hard on an x86)

Won't be rushing to get one, methinks, and I'm quite a fan of Playstation as a brand.

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Re: Sounds shitty

"The sources also said there will be no backwards compatibility for PS3 games and that the brawny console will come with measures to prevent secondhand games being played without the prior purchase of an unlock code."

Sounds totally shitty. I quite like my Playstation too, won't be buying one of these though, they simply want to eradicate the second hand / rental / lend-to-friend market.

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Re: Sounds shitty

They might as well burn the R&D and production money instead of wasting it to bring this to market.

They really have missed the whole "knowledge of your market". Game sharing only ADDS to sales. I have often gotten a game from a friend to try and liked it so bought it when he took it back. Without that loan, i wouldnt have tried it, hence wanted it.

Bloody Apple and their walled garden!!!! :-)

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Re: Sounds shitty

Amen. Unless the retail games are cheaper as a result, or start offering more than 6 hours of half-arsed gameplay, you can count me out of that one. I love my 60GB PS3, and not least because I can shove PS2 and PS1 games into it.

It really is a massive shift in attitudes. Back when the PS1 emerged, Sony didn't care at all that it was being pirated left, right and centre (if they did, they did sod all about it). These days, all 2nd hand gamers are criminals.

Well, I don't give a toss about graphics, and games are turning Hollywood in their shittiness and lack of polish. This past year I've bought several games new that didn't work properly and have never been patched. So sod 'em, I'll buy up the previous 3 consoles' worth of good games, and go back to my PC, where the prices are cheaper, the graphics and controls are better, and the gameplay is far more involving.

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Re: Sounds shitty

Worst thing they could possibly do.

and suggesting vita was meant to play all PS3 games, which it doesn't.

Now Nintendo is a generation behind.

Xbox games we can still play cheaper & better on PC.

I'm going PC while I can still get a Win7 gaming box.

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Re: Sounds shitty

"Xbox games we can still play cheaper & better on PC."

Exactly why I don't have a 360. Between my PS3 and the PC, I can get pretty much any big-name game I want. Only some of the JRPGs and XBLA releases have tempted me over, but isn't XBLA supposed to be available on PC now?

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Hmm... online connectivity required? What about the poor folks who are on dialup? Will Sony be building in 3G connections for those without broadband or unreliable broadband? (like they have with the Vita?).

Guess it's too early to say at the moment.

Still it's good for AMD providing the CPU and GPU, doesn't that mean they now provide the GPU for all the next gen consoles?

Rob

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"measures to prevent secondhand games being played without the prior purchase of an unlock code"

If true, that's truly pathetic.

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Agreed, it they're actually doing that then there's no excuse other than wanting to wring as much money out of their customers as possible without spending any on developing more games.

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I bet this is actually an attempt to get some money out of the rental market, all those Lovefilm et al subscribers who don't pay any money directly to Sony....

Mind you, they might end up having some interesting conversations with Amazon concerning stocking of the console and games if they do try it. (Amazon being Lovefilm's parent, in case you don't know.)

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Games please, not consoles

Personally I would like to see them spending more money on creating tools which allow developers to develop quicker and also to reduce the game creation costs.

Add to the that something that will allow them to break out of the FPS and MMORPG shell. We need new blood, new ideas , simpler techniques and an increase in originality.

A new console will simply require even more setup costs for the small developement studios that are already struggling to keep up.

The current consoles are already damned powerfull machines, Sony should focus on the games developers not the shareholders.

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Re: Games please, not consoles

Hmmmm. The PS3 isn't completely bereft of ideas - check out a title called "Journey" on the PSN. Very beautifully done adventury-platform game.

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Paradox....

Most tools to allow people to develop games quicker are tools that tend to push them towards a particular style in a particular format with particular mechanics.

In other words, they're tools to develop FPSes ang RPGs.

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Awesome!

A console that runs at resolutions my TV can't support with games that I can't lend to/from a mate which I can't play if my internet went down.

SOLD!

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"The sources also said there will be no backwards compatibility for PS3 games and that the brawny console will come with measures to prevent secondhand games being played without the prior purchase of an unlock code."

"may require online connectivity for authentication too."

It's not li,e I was going to buy one anyway.

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Wait till the car manufactuer's get a whiff of this...

then your old one won't be drivable until the new owner has purchased "an unlock code" from the original dealer.

Sony. I hope you die.

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Re: Wait till the car manufactuer's get a whiff of this...

You can expect Microsoft to do this too. It's be the Game Development Co's pushing the whole secondhand tied-in thing as much as anyone.

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I can't stand DRM and the war on 2nd Hand games but I'm willing to just about cope with these "features" for a new and improved PS.

But If it's not backwards compatible then it's not compatible with me.

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Linux support ?

I wonder if this one will have Linux support?......

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Time for the graveyard?

Well, there's a graveyard place in the digital arena awaiting for another console/device. PlayStation next to lay beside Minidisc?

- Unneccessary second-hands DRM (keeps a console alive well past its sell-by date)

- No PS3 backward support (surely the cloud could host virtualised PS3 games that could be streamed to the PS4?)

- Online authentication (I know we're in the 21st century, but how about emerging markets with no/lack of internet?)

- AMD chips (really don't understand logic here where developers will have to again learn new coding sets etc)

Sony's execs heads are ruling the hearts of the developers again. The nuke bomb is ticking within Sony HQ.

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Re: Time for the graveyard?

I agree with everything you said except for the AMD bit, which is actually where this console makes sense. Part of the PS3's problem is that it's insanely powerful, but the Cell is not something people are used to. The AMD chips, on the other hand, will use an instruction set people will almost certainly be familiar with.

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Re: Time for the graveyard?

Very true my friend thinking about it, but it isn't consistant and just sticks the middle finger up at the current dev's in the smaller game studios who now need to readjust their programming resources.

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Pathetic

A console specifically designed to prevent the play of "used" games? Zero backwards compatibility (naturally, so they can start selling "ports" of games in the PS store forcing you to buy the game you already own again)...know what would be funny, if the next X-Box release did the exact opposite...reliable backwards compatibility, none of this ultra-DRM bullshit. But that would require forward thinking at Microsoft.

Man, I miss the golden era of PC gaming. So sick of consoles.

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Re: Pathetic

"know what would be funny, if the next X-Box release did the exact opposite"

Yeah, that'll happen. It was MS who started this whole unlock-code business, and it was a fair old while before it started to infect the PS3 library on any kind of scale. If this horrendous anti-consumer crap is what Sony are doing, how bad are MS going to be?

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Re: Pathetic

Unfortunately the PC is just as shite and getting worse.

If it has Steam, I'm not interested. If it's by EA, Ubisoft or Valve, I'm not interested. If it demands online "activation", I'm not interested. Basically I can walk into a shop and see absolutely NO games that are worth getting now, due to them all coming with a free helping of malware.

Fuck the lot of them and buy only games that don't pull this shit. If everyone did that the devs would change their tune. They won't though, because too many people are addicted to the shiny.

And too many people will buy the PoS 4.

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Re: Pathetic

Yep happens every time. All those standing and posturing with dropped bottom lips that they "wont be buying the next PS/Xbox/Star Wars boxset!" will all be there queued up in line on release day with their credit card at the ready.

Just let it go.

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Re: Pathetic

Well, Steam has its benefits. You don't have to worry about program updates, for one thing. And it has a vibrant community and a huge library.

As for price, only one or two games in a collection of some 200+ games were bought full price. Kinda hard to do anymore anywhere else. So it's become rather take-it-or-leave-it. So I say take it...but not at full price.

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Well done Sony

I hope they do this and then when it fails it drags them down. But knowing Sony it's all bullshit and won't make it to the final console.

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Yeah, i cant see this ever materialising. The backlash will do Sony no good at all...

More likely if you want to play a 2nd hander online then you will be required to purchase an unlock code. If you stay single player (me!) then they should run without further purchasing.

Anyway, it will be cracked at any rate....

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No problems with dumping backwards compatibility.

I mean you have a PS3 already to play the old stuff on anyway.

The AMD stuff is good news too if true.

However, as for the rest...sounds a clusterf*ck to me.

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Re: No problems with dumping backwards compatibility.

Sure I have a PS3. The Blu-Ray reading part of the optics crapped out about 6 months ago reducing it to a power-hungry media center that can't play Blu-Ray (but can still read CD/DVDs, strangely). Not buying another one. IF the PS4 wasn't such a DRM-filled crapfest, I would have gotten one...but nach, zero backwards compatibility.

My next upgrade will be a DNLA-capable Blu-Ray player. Pretty sick of console games at this point, since most have boiled down to cookie-cutter "realistic" military sim shooters or 3rd person fighting games.

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Re: No problems with dumping backwards compatibility.

If you find one, lemme know. I'm having a devil of a time locating one with proper DLNA support (by that, I mean supporting AVC, especially High Profile, over networks). Most opt for Web2.0 products, most of which I'm not interested. The consoles actually come second closest to my ideal setup (the closest one I have is an XBMC box I scrounged secondhand and reinstalled--it can do High Profile, but it's not powerful enough to do 720p and up), but their UIs are a pile of Librarian-poo.

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Re: No problems with dumping backwards compatibility.

> I mean you have a PS3 already to play the old stuff on anyway.

Let me bring up two points:

1: A TV only has so many HDMI ports (mine only has three). HDMI switches aren't cheap and most doesn't even come with remote controls,. requiring you to go up to the device to flick the switch.

2: PS3s die. My PS2 has already bit the dust, clock stopped working and there's no easy way to replace the clock battery. There will come a day when the PS3's clock also stop working (and if you use the drive heavily, the laser gives out).

Also, I do not agree to the second hand lockout. And I'd be cautious at this point, because if they're willing to pull off dick moves like this, the next thing you know they make regional lockout mandatory again.

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Of course, this means

I may be buying a PS3 at a bargain price when these things come out.

That's the only plus I can see here. What a bunch of dopes.

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Is the next generation of consoles shaping up to be completely not exciting, or am I just getting too old to get excited about this stuff?

I generally prefer new games to secnd hand anyway, but I hate the idea of the big console makes and games publishers taking the option away for their own benefit. I believe the devs have the right to make money, but most other industries don't stop things from being sold on, and I don't think that should happen here.

Personally, I think this generation needs a new player to enter the market that produces a powerful machine with open/semi open software, tolerance for the second hand market, etc. Something that is to consoles what Android has been to smartphones (but not Android). It would obviously need to come from a company with enough clout to pull something like that off, attract developers etc. But I would happily pay for such a console if it were done right.

I'm not holding my breath - if anything like that were to come along, now would be the ideal time, before the XBox 3, PS4 and Wii-U gain momentum.

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I've said it for the Xbox successor...

.. Now the same apply's here.

If they restrict how people use the console and can play legitimately purchased games, they more people will turn to mod-chips.

And FYI Mr CEO of Sony, I will be the first in that queue!

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How to lose customers and annoy people...

I had to check the date there for a second. Not April the 1st yet, is it? Bugger.

It *would* be cheaper for them to use an existing CPU set & architecture, but as mentioned, that means the devs have to learn another set of skills.

Also, no backwards compatibility? Again? Seriously? (although again, if they move away from Cell tech, nothing would work without an emulator, and as one commenter suggests, that would take SOME doing).

Unlock codes are sadly also easy to do - buy disc with leaflet, install game - enter code from leaflet and game plays. Code flagged as "used" (ala PSN) and tied to your PSN account, so you can at least move consoles as you can now, in case one dies.

BUT, and this is a big but - at present, if your PSN account is banned, you can still play offline. If you can't validated your games/codes, due to a banned account, you can't play? (as if you are banned you need a new account, etc etc).

Similarly if they also (or alternatively) banned the console, then it's technically useless - are they going to refund you all your money/console etc? Seriously risky propositions ahoy.

So *IF* it's true, it's a bloody stupid idea!

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Re: How to lose customers and annoy people...

Refund your money? Haha, no.

If your Xbox gets banned from XBL, the general response is "tough shit, sucks to be you."

Of course you can then sell your banned Xbox to an innocent third party and they get told "tough shit, sucks to be you."

Ain't the games industry just fucking wonderful?

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Second hand markeyt

Although I do buy the occasional new game, most of the time I wait for it to drop in price or get it second hand. I do this because games are so expensive, and if the PS4 (or whatever it's called) aims to block second hand games in any way then I doubt I would be able to afford it.

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So it's a PC then. Well, I guess that will making porting easier.

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This sounds rubbish

Online authentication. Sony know a lot of buyers have no internet.

No Cell - they have invested a lot, and so have a lot if 3rd parties.

Block to second hand games - too risky.

I call bullshit source.

Release it like this and I'll stay PS3

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