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Next week analogue TV will be switched off across London, knocking out an estimated one million TV screens which haven't made the jump to digital yet. The estimate comes from Digital TV, the body appointed by the government to hold our hands through the transition, and most of them will be in back rooms and bedrooms as almost …

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A million TV's go dark. The quality in programming is not noticed.

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A million TVs go dark...

... actually means the quality of the programming has improved...

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South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

Not a sniff of the analogue TV switch off in the Yorkshire region last year..........

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I think our Capital getting switched is more important hence worth a mention. Guess what many other areas were not mentioned either.

Does someone have a chip on their sholder?

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Re: South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

Never met anyone from London who isn't obsessed with other parts of the country having a chip on their shoulder.

Everyone hates London because it is a shithole lived in by shit people.

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Ahh I can see why Londoners might have a reason to be obsssed with it, judging by your attitude at least.

Not living there myself I could not tell you what many of them think. So you might need to try again at insulting me because you though I was one.

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Population of Yorkshire is about 5 million.

Population of London is about 14 million.

There was lots of publicity for the first switch offs, and there is publicity for this one since it impacts so many people. All the ones in between were not news worthy outside of their own areas.

There will probably be a lot of publicity for the final regions that switch.

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Re: South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

Can't we just switch off London?

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Re: South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

...just in time for the Olympics?!

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Ummm... The population of (Greater) London is about 7.5 - 8 million - unless it's just annexed Kent and the Home Counties of course...

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Re: South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

Not a South East news bias. A London story that is all. London is not "The South East", it is only a small part of it. Though, to Londoners, it is a major part.

From where I am in Brighton, London is positioned "In the North". So should I be complaining about a "Northern Bias" as there was no reporting of our TV switch over during March.

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Re: South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

It's because in London we all drive Range Rovers with those little TV's in the head-rests. These will stop working, so we are affected by this. You don't have little TV's in your combine harvesters, so are unaffected...

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Re: South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

There are a lot of Londoners (and I've met some of them) who don't care about the world outside the M25.

Bit like the Americans and their "World Series"

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Re: South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

Wouldn't we all be better off if we just put up a wall around the M25 and lock all the bankers, politicians and other assorted B-Arkers inside to play politics with each other and leave the rest of us out of it?

Filling the interior of that wall with say, tapioca, afterwards is optional of course.

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@RGJ18

"You don't have little TV's in your combine harvesters, so are unaffected..."

Beg to differ, lots of combine harvesters have a telly in the cab,

...and a coffee machine,

...and a playstation

:-)

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London turning off analogue TV has absolutely zero impact on the rest of the planet. It may be of marginal interest to some, but as an event it is neither new or unusual. In short; not news.

Yes, there are lots of Londoners and lots of them will be readers of The Register, but I'm betting they already knew, having been told by their more local news sources.

So I don't get why this was reported here, and a "top story" into the bargain, unless it was written by someone who either thinks everything that happens in London matters to everyone, or has been blind to events in the rest of the UK.

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Re: South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

Is London the last area to switch off? If so, then the yorkshire switch off really doesnt have the same level of newsworthyness.

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Re: South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

Have you considered this switch off marks the end of all analogue broadcasts in the UK?

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Re: South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

Don't tell Tyne Tees or the UTV region, where switchover doesn't occur til september/october.

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Re: Farm vehicles

My cousin moaned because his dad had a 6 cylinder tractor and he only had a 4.

However they have radios so a radio DSO would annoy the farmers

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Re: South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

> The population of (Greater) London is about 7.5 - 8 million

According to the Office for National Statistics the population of the London metropolitan area is 13,709,000

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At least we have decent chips in Yorkshire - not just McDs french fries.

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As a Londoner and a consumer of Yorkshire puddings I demand some respect or I'll take my pudding business elsewhere.

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According to the Office for National Statistics the population of the London metropolitan area is 13,709,000

... I assume then that the "metropolitan area" does annex the home counties then, since the very same ONS puts the figure for Greater London at about 7.83 million people.

In the same way that Greater Manchester seems to contain about half of Lancashire (Manchester itself has a population of about half a million, whilst Greater Manchester is somewhere over two and a half million). *shrugs*

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Re: South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

Exactly. Modern combines have GPS control and drive themselves. The person in the cab has to be kept entertained when trundling through the fields.

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erm? Why is our capital "more important"?

Ignorant t*sser...

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Whilst I wholeheartedly agree about Londoner's ignorance of the outside world, I do have to pedantically point out the the World Series is so called because it was originally sponsored by "The New York World" newspaper.

Right, I'm off to get some coal from the bath and fly my whippet...

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@King Jack - Re: South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

So what wasn't the end of analogue the story then? Rather than some rubbish about Londoner's not being bothered to get ready for the switch that the rest of us managed quite easily to cope with some months/years ago.

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Re: South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

"Never met anyone from London who isn't obsessed with other parts of the country having a chip on their shoulder.

Everyone hates London because it is a shithole lived in by shit people."

No chip there at all. Now where's that Michael McIntyre sketch...

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"Don't tell Tyne Tees or the UTV region, where switchover doesn't occur til september/october."

Yes, was also about to post that too. One wonders if that will be a national newsworthy event as the last of the switch offs?

Pint. Because it's hot. There's no jobs on today so I get a day off.

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>>So I don't get why this was reported here

Let us know when they invent regional internet. Jeez what is it with you people today. News about our capital city IS national news. And I live nowhere near it. Stop griping, or move.

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"the World Series is so called because it was originally sponsored by "The New York World" newspaper."

No. Google it.

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But the world series does include Canada. So we do care about one other country.

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Condiment, your population figures don't seem to match anything I can find on the internet...

Yorkshire - 5.18 million (Sept 2008)

Greater London - 7.82 million (July 2010)

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Re: South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

I was talking about the London Metropolitan area, which is more or less the area affected by the switch-off. You can find the population figures here:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/pop-estimate/population-estimates-for-uk--england-and-wales--scotland-and-northern-ireland/mid-2010-population-estimates/rft---mid-2010-population-estimates.zip

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Re: South East News Bias ? - Nahhhhhh.......

Would you be better with a wall around the M25? No, you'd be skint.

In fact, lets stop fucking about with this silly "Devolve Scotland" question. London, East Anglia, South East, South West and parts of the Midlands sounds like a perfectly fine country to me, we'll have higher GDP per capita, low taxes, full employment, free education and comprehensive welfare.

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"Londoners who don't care about the world outside the M25"

That's because once you are in London the roads are so shit you can't get out. And if you do finally escape to the M25 that's a car park. But at least at that point you can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

This analogue switch-off thingy is just like the poll tax -- try it on 'them out there' first to see if they squeal. Well the number of channels increased, and the quality certainly didn't get better, and we couldn't be bothered to squeal because we found something better -- the Internet.

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I can't wait to visit.

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So lots of babies in January, then?

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I thought we got rid analogue years ago!

so its londons turn is it...

RICKAAAAAAAY!!! DERES NAFFINK ON DA TELLLEEE!!!!!!!

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INNIT

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Well...

I believe that it's BBC2 that goes off and ITV moves onto BBC2's frequency, so ITV's old frequency is then clear for the new MUX, then...

it's all very complex, but the fact that they HAVE to keep ITV going for as long as possible, above and beyond the vastly superior BBC2 programming, just gives me more cause to lower my head in shame.

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More power != better picture

"after which the Freeview transmitters will be able to increase the power delivered to 400,000 Londoners, so most viewers will get a better picture rather than no picture at all."

It's not the power levels that makes freeview look shit, it's squeezing too many channels into too small a bandwidth; instead of flogging of the spare spectrum they should be using it for better picture quality...but there ain't no money in that

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Re: More power != better picture

True it'll still look compressed but with digital TV there is no "snow", it's either working or it stutters/judders and artifacts badly to make something unwatchable.

In NW London I will be please at the boost in strength so I won't need so many boosters to get my 2 media PCs and TV signalled up with Freeview HD smoothly. Hopefully having to use thick heavily shielded copper/gold cables will also become less necessary.

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Re: More power != better picture

I remember when I still had analogue. The picture was much clearer than any standard def digital signal due to the compression. Things don't fade between light and dark, it has massive chunky steps. But I suppose thats one way to sell the HD by throttling the SD down to a nasty compression level.

Tuning in a TV on the move is a bit more tricky with digital. Hired a campervan and toured the UK a few years ago. Got a directional antenna and a cheep freeview box for it.

In areas where there was analogue, you tuned the TV till you got a bit of picture, moved the antenna till it got better and tuned it in a bit more. Picture might look fuzzy but you can still watch it.

Digital was a whole lot more fun, since you need a good signal to tune the box but you cant work out where the good signal is till the box is tuned. Needed to go online, find where the nearest tower was, find yourself on a map with GPS, work out compass bearing...

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More than just London

There are people who live a good distance outside London who hate the place just as much as 'them up north' AND will be affected by the switchoff.

I'm 30+ miles from Crystal Palace (Hants/Surrey border) but I get my Terrestrial TV signal from there.

We have had a lot of warnings about the re-tuning. Even my 90yr old Mother has had detailed instructions given to her about how to re-tune her TV.

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Go dark?

I would have thought they'd go all snowy.

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LOL @ northern stereotypes

So can we assume from the above that Yorkshiremen really are all miserable then? :-)

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when

Does anyone know when exactly they are upping the power?

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April 18th guv.

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