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Brazilian cops have cuffed two members of the so-called "gang of blondes" - a pack of she-devils who allegedly carried out up to 50 express kidnappings in Sao Paulo between 2011 and 2012. The group - led by Wagner de Oliveira Gonçalves and his wife Monique Awoki Casiota - are accused of targeting visibly affluent female victims …

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Worked in telemarketing

Let her off. She's obviously working towards going straight.

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Happy

Re: Worked in telemarketing

Yeah, working in telemarketing then turning to crime is incorrect - it's switching one type of crime for another!

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Anonymous Coward

please please

Take me hostage!

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Anonymous Coward

why not have a second "under duress" pin code

then if threatened give a working pin number that does hand out money but also sets off a sequence of threat-related actions - such as capturing images at cashpoint machines, car and mobile phone tracking etc, that can only be stopped by a trusted third party verifying that the cardholder is safe and well.

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Re: why not have a second "under duress" pin code

because you just know that the average punter (who has enough trouble remembering One pin, let alone two) will at some point type in the wrong one, or, more likely, will not remember the alternative pin at the crucial time due to brown-trouser issues.

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Anonymous Coward

Re: why not have a second "under duress" pin code

Because then people would *use* it. And banks would then be liable for what happens to the victim when an angry mugger gets a face full of indelible dye from a cash machine.

It's easier just to tell the user to "Never ever give out your PIN to anyone else".

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Meh

Re: why not have a second "under duress" pin code

I thought that there was some plan to have it as being your existing PIN in reverse. That way you don't have to try to remember it. I.e. if pin = 1234 then panic = 4321. Note ATM gives out the money in any case.

It would seem reasonable to have a low impact panic system such as having the card blocked for the next x hours (after the panic transaction completes), rather than squirting ink in the face of the user. That way, the mugger knows they have the right PIN, but they can't use the card again. They would have to hold onto the mugee for x hours until the card became free, or else Mugee would raise alarm. Also having got 1 'amount' of money out (i.e. the panic transaction) they would be more inclined to just chuck the card away.

So more of a damage limitation for both customer and bank... Also means mugee can give out PIN without having fingers broken etc.

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Re: why not have a second "under duress" pin code

"I thought that there was some plan to have it as being your existing PIN in reverse. That way you don't have to try to remember it. I.e. if pin = 1234 then panic = 4321.... "

Because some people may have reversible PIN's, e.g: 1221, 7777, etc.

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Re: why not have a second "under duress" pin code

^This

...and the fact that if the PIN were reversible, the mugger might just call your bluff and enter the PIN you gave them backwards, thus entering the correct PIN and rendering the under duress pin pointless.

Also, if the consequences of entering the under duress pin were that cash was dispensed the first time but then the card was blocked, would the kidnappers not keep hold you you until the second transaction and then break your fingers anyway for giving them the wrong pin?

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Re: why not have a second "under duress" pin code

you can.... in the uk, and possibly elsewhere, if you key in your code backwards, you still get the money, but it flags up a distress message for the security team at the bank.

Got my coat... now wheres my pants and wallet.!!!

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They chose the wrong target

Girls who look like her do the same thing - maxing out credit cards etc - to visibly affluent blokes every day and never get arrested.

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Happy

Hmm

Why do I feel a Playmobile reconstruction is in the offing?

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Re: Hmm

Hmmmm...

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Re: Hmm

Exactly! quit playin' around with your boffin buddies and snap it up!

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Blonde?

Carina Geremias Vendramini isn't blonde. Not by any stretch.

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Black Helicopters

Re: Blonde?

Clearly, you've never been to Tortuga.

In Brazil, she passes for platinum blonde, as do most people the rest of the world would call 'brunette'. It's a cultural/relative thing.

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Re: Blonde?

Yes I have, and no she doesn't.

Ever look up the root of the word "roots"?

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Coat

Brazillian policemen chasing blonde women?

is this unusual behaviour?

Sorry, I had to ask. Mine is the one with the ticket to Rio in the pocket.

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Prison life will do them good

Scumbags!

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Paris Hilton

Re: Prison life will do them good

Must put mental images of hot Brazilian blonde babes in a host steamy cell out of my head. It's even more distracting than posting on El Reg.

Paris - she knows what blondes in a cell should do...

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Headmaster

Hey Lester!

Brazilian lingo is portuguese, not spanish, so it's currency's (the "real" ) plural is "reais" and not "reales".

You're welcome!

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Happy

Re: Hey Lester!

Yes! Yes! We speak portuguese, not spanish! And don't get me started with all this "Buenos Aires" nonsense!

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Re: Hey Lester!

É certo, mas a maioria dos nossos leitores não sabe a diferença, e o "real" é mais facil entender.

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Re: Hey Lester!

OK, I'll bit, what "Buenos Aires" nonsense?

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Re: Hey Lester!

or bite, as the case may be ...

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Re: Hey Lester!

I thought Portenol was now the lingua franca of South America (if that makes sense).

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Pint

Re: Hey Lester!

I believe that 'mas cerveza, por favor' is the phrase that is recognized throughout latin america.

I find it useful, anyway.

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Headmaster

Re: Hey Lester!

Only El Reg would get away with being so dismissive of the intelligence and linguistic abilities of its own readership. I'm sure that there would be plenty of El Reg readers like me who, although not speaking Portuguese, had no trouble reading what Lester wrote about us, without any need to resort to Google Translate or the like.

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Happy

Re: Hey Lester!

Ah, that's a joke. You see, for one reason or another, a huge number of people believe that Buenos Aires is the capital of Brazil. And this is incorrect. The capital of Brazil is Brasilia - Buenos Aires is the capital of Argentina.

Come to think of it, I believe it would be most the north americans who believe this...

And we (brazilians) speak portuguese - not spanish. :D

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Hands up

Did anyone else Google the names and come up with lots of Brazilian FaceBook links?

Anon for the obvious reason!

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Bah!

Kidnapping is at epidemic levels in Brazil according to one of my friends who now lives there. I suppose it's what happens when you have very disparate standards of living and insufficient funds in the old Law Enforcement piggy bank.

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Re: Bah!

Couple that with a culture of corruption. Seems like the more oppressive a nation's laws, the more money there is to be made by selling out.

Being poor, relative or otherwise does not make criminals, and saying that denigrates a lot of very good people. I know plenty of very poor people that would and do literally go hungry rather than take what's not theirs. Crime being viewed as acceptable is what makes criminals.

I have apprehended far, far, far more wealthy shoplifters than I have poor ones. They do it for the thrills.

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Bad sales... bad

Let's just get this over with and extend the philosophy to 'all sales is bad' after all customers will just 'appear' handing over the money to pay our wages. We just need to hang out a sign.

Alternatively of course we can pay our wages via the traditional start-up method of conning the investors/banks/pension funds etc. that works out well.

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Re: Bad sales... bad

Was that supposed to be in English? Unable to parse this.

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Big Brother

Finally! The inspiration for my masterwork!!

"Burgling Blonde Babes of Brazil"!!--my future in cinema is assured!!

Move over, Plan 9......because Big Brother is not the only one who will be watching!!

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Anonymous Coward

Crackheads the whole bunch

What a waste of humanity.

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Life after the X-Factor

I did wonder what happened to Wagner after he was (unjustly, he was easily the most talented one) booted off the X-Factor........

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Anonymous Coward

Could have been worse...

Ever seen Linda Fiorentino in The Last Seduction.

making the term "Take no prisoners" more than a marketing cliche.

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In the end all ends well

Hey they can play all they want in prison.

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Hm...

...and you guys apparently haven't gotten wind of the "gang of grandmas" yet! Still at large.

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