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The IP address of a computer used to view a motorbike sales ad posted by an early victim of the Toulouse gunman played a vital role in narrowing down Mohamed Merah as the main suspect in a series of attacks that have horrified France, it has emerged. French soldier Imad Ibn-Ziaten posted a video of the motorbike he wanted to …

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@NoneSuch

Did you read the article?

He's dead. So I think you'll find that the only Police outside his apartment are keeping sightseers away and allowing forensics to do their work.

As for negotiating - well there's this old fashioned idea of arresting and then trying suspects before convicting (or executing) them.

You know collecting evidence, making sure they got the right guy and not some sort of attention seeker. Was he working alone? That sort of thing.

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Would be it bad taste of me to say...

COUNTER-TERRORISTS WIN!!

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Re: Would be it bad taste of me to say...

Yes, especially as there is a big question mark as to why, given that the french security services already had him on a watch list, he wasn't apprehended after the first attack, thus saving the lives of all the subsequent victims.

Also, watching the footage of the french special forces, some of them would seem more suited to a Benny Hill video than an elite unit. Four police injured, one seriously, isn't a great outcome of the end of the siege either.

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Re: Would be it bad taste of me to say...

Well it was hardly "Terrorists win", was it?

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Re: Would be it bad taste of me to say...

> Well it was hardly "Terrorists win", was it?

On the contrary. It *was* a terrorist win.

The point of terrorism is not to kill as many people as you can - it is to convince as many people as you can that you *could* kill them. It's more about getting publicity than anything else.

This guy killed several people despite being on an anti-terror watch list and got multinational TV coverage. That would appear to be the very definition of a terrorist win :-(

Vic.

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Dead from the fall?

Very unlikely as his flat was on the ground floor :)

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Re: Dead from the fall?

Maybe he had a moat.

At any rate, I'm just glad the ad wasn't posted on Craigslist, otherwise we'd have five hundred media headlines about the CRAIGSLIST KILLER and everyone forgetting that the guy shot up a Jewish school midst a fog of xenophobia spread by a desperate Sarkozy, who's grasping at populist straws in the run-up to the election...

Wait, maybe they forgot that regardless. Aside from The Economist, but who reads that rag anyway?

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Re: Dead from the fall?

Either way, he had nothing Toulouse...

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Re: Dead from the fall?

Surely he died from the sudden stop when hitting the ground.

Bad taste I know but in this case who cares?

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Re: Dead from the fall?

Shot in the head by a sniper as he tried to escape through the window.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17473207

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The right wing dodged a bullet

everyone forgetting that the guy shot up a Jewish school midst a fog of xenophobia spread by a desperate Sarkozy, who's grasping at populist straws in the run-up to the election...

You could feel the collective sigh of relief from the right wing that it wasn't one of theirs. They came pretty close to having to face the reality that their hateful rhetoric can indeed cause harm.

Now they can get back to blaming multiculturalism while hypocritically condemning the killer for pursuing a course some of them advocate themselves. He'd be a hero to their cause were his own race and religion not so despised.

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Re: The right wing dodged a bullet

@Jason Bloomberg

I suppose it was predictable there would be at least one person using the situation to promote their own particular preconceptions whatever the actual circumstances.

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Re: Re: The right wing dodged a bullet

".....using the situation to promote their own particular preconceptions...." Don't be silly, don't you know it's a fact that anyone slightly right of Mao Tse Tung is guaranteed to be gosh-darn-nasty person? I consider myself slightly right-of-center, and I eat three babies for breakfast and shoot at least four people of different ethnic origin by teatime! Who knwos what depracity the Fewnch Right get up to, it's only good that we have such caring socialist types like Mr Bloomberg to keep us informed of the awfulness associated with untrendy political views.

/Do I need the sarc tags, just for the "caring" socialists?

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Re: The right wing dodged a bullet

While perusing this thread on my blackberry, auto-zoomed into the content column, I sighed wearily. Rather than discussing actual politics, commenters had, predictably, devolved into a lurid spiral of tooth-gnashing (can you gnash one tooth?) hyperbole.

Finally, I reached the thread's nadir, and at it a post that would have been more at home on a CNN comment page than here. With every sentence, my mouth gaped in ever-more gaping gapiness; before long, I could read no more. Not because I couldn't stomach the invective - I had my political stomach removed some time ago after a particularly nasty incident with a Ralph Nader supporter - but because I had, just -had- to know the answer to a single question: Who might have the hate within him to write such furious invective, the gall to consider it rational, and the chutzpa to, upon producing a venemous screed, use its own repugnance to justify classifying anyone disagreeing as a baby-chomping pantywaist?

Who? Who has the writing skill of Madison Avenue and the soul of a schoolyard bully?

I swiped my thumb from left to right across my blackberry torch's screen, and after what seemed an interminable wait (not due to anticipation; it really does take that long), I saw the name before me:

Matt Bryant

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Re: Re: The right wing dodged a bullet

"....I swiped my thumb from left to right across my blackberry torch's screen..." It's worse trying to do ANYTHING with the awful Blackberry trackpad/button/thingummy. At least your Torch has a touch screen. Whilst I can do such things as browsing and reading/editing MS Office documents on my work BB Curve, I usually switch to my Android phone for browsing. Just think how annoyed you'd have been trying to scroll around on a Curve and then seeing my name!

/Come back, BB Flip Pearl, all is forgiven!

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Can't resist...

Did they create a GUI interface using visual basic to track the terrorists IP address?

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Re: Can't resist...

ENHANCE!

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Re: Can't resist...

Actually it is Java - but close enough

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Now I understand what PING of death means

Now I understand what PING of death means.

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Suspiciously convenient

So we have several black and arabic soldiers murdered, and then a couple jewish kids and adults. That reeks of far-right extremism, more precisely the Front National and it's well-known hatred of anything dark-skinned or jewish. And then the claimed killer is found to be a Jihad-type nutter? How does that fit with the murder of arabic and black people?

I find his death rather convenient for th police. I mean that wouldn't be the first time that an innocen albeit idiotic extremist claims responsibility for someone's crime in order to look like a hero to his "friends".

Now where is a tinfoil hat icon when you need one?

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Re: Suspiciously convenient

I was wondering how long it would take for the conspiracy fucknuts to emerge...

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Re: Re: Suspiciously convenient

I think (hope) Pierre was being sarcastic.....

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Re: Suspiciously convenient

I don't really see anything fishy here. Islamic terrorist vs right-wing terrorist would have always been the most likely options. For what it's worth, my first thought when I read about the paratroops being killed as well as the Jewish people was that the two were connected (especially as it turned out that they were reasonable close geographically) and that it was likely to be related to the Middle East/North Africa. On finding out that the paratroops were all (or mostly) arabic/black, I still didn't feel that my assessment was wrong.

Islamic terrorists don't really care about race (or religion for that matter), only the symbols they are attacking, so the race of the paratroops isn't really that significant a factor.

It turns out I was right, but I accept I could have been wrong. I think, though, that there are many who really wanted it to be right-wing terrorists (including the BBC) and jumped to that conclusion, never entertaining the alternative, so I imagine there is some disappointment now.

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> I think (hope) Pierre was being sarcastic.....

More like posting the obligatory conspiracy theory crap, but that's in essence the same, yes

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Re: Suspiciously convenient

"...Islamic terrorists don't really care about race (or religion for that matter), only the symbols they are attacking, so the race of the paratroops isn't really that significant a factor..."

I'd say it probably was a factor. Being of African/Arabic descent, they'd be seen as being traitors to their race/religion and therefore even more deserving of hatred than white-skinned 'infidels'.

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But...

He sent the email, and murdered the moped seller 10 day, yes TEN days before the police tracked the IP and surrounded the house. During those 10 days he shot up the school kids.

And this is a guy who is supposed to already be on a watch list and under surveillance!!

Very well done one Frenchie, very well done indeed.

I wonder how fast his IP would have been tracked if he's be reported for downloading a Justin Bieber track instead of murdering a moped seller?

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That'll piss off Sarkozy

The Diminuitive Emperor wanted him taken alive, according to the BBC in the early hours of this morning...

Vic.

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Algeria the gift that keeps on giving

Bets if France could do it over they would avoid Algeria like the plague?

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Knock Knock...

Tap Tap

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Re: Knock Knock...

It's always easier to get a headshot whilst they're stuck on the windowledge. Well, in CS anyway.

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