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Bad news for the technology supply chain – China has decided to cut back on its mining of the rare earth minerals essential to the production of a vast range of hi-tech kit. Deputy IT minister, Su Bo, reportedly told an industry seminar in Xiamen that the decision was taken because China now wants to promote sustainability in …

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Meh

already done

some place called Afghanistan I believe.

Should Russians restart research on mini-valve technology again?

Only need caesium oxides then.

On the upside, the number of muppets on phone while driving light trucks through traffic might drop

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Coincident to US tariff on Chinese solar panels

Probably unrelated, but good to see a sudden interest in environmental issues that happens to provide a price spike.

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Coat

Su Bo

Dreamed a dream of sustainability eh?

I'll get my coat...

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Re: Su Bo

You beat me to it, with a much better post than the one I thought of.

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Re: Su Bo

Hairy Green Angel perhaps.....

although that sounds like a very dodgy absinthe cocktail...

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Facepalm

So what?

They're just being good capitalists by maximising returns. Western countries would just give the stuff away at cost instead?

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that 97 per cent global share

Is only market share, I think they have about 38% of the global supply of the so-call rare-earths.

Australia has about a third of the world's supply too, I believe.

https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=rare+earth+deposits+australia

We're already ramping up production and CSIRO is collaborating with the US on new extraction processes.

http://www.australianrareearths.com/

If only we will actually have a government smart enough to make things using the resources instead of shipping them cheap by the ton for a quick buck, fat chance I know!

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It depends a bit.

Of the light rare earth metals, China has indeed a commanding position. However, of the heavy rare earth metals (which include the fun stuff used to make lithium batteries with), China has no significant market share and deposits have been in various places (the one I know best is in Canada, at a site which used to be a coal mine).

Thus, to talk about "rare earth" market share is a mixed bag - you have to separate out the two to have any idea how much power they hold..

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Dear China...

Here's mud in your eye! (Deep Sea mud)

http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/deep-sea-mud-possible-source-of-rare-earth-minerals.htm

Somebody at Australian Geographic was ahead of the game in July 2011 :-)

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Meh...

..when we allow unrestricted food imports from 3rd world countries, therefore helping them to help themselves out of poverty, so we don't feel the need to send them food aid (to massage our own egos), then I'll agree that we can complain.

Until then, Pot meet Kettle.

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interesting that hack journalists are incapable of understanding that 'rare earth' elements are not rare, but actually exist in abundance all over the place. The 'problem' about which they oibsess is simply that only China can be bothered to extract them at the moment, because it's reasonably messy to do, and there's very little money in it.

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Indeed, and that is why its economical for china to do it less overhead on wages.

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Foolish US Decision

They closed their rare earth mines as it was cheaper to buy from China. OOps then what a surprise the Chinese corner the market then put the price up.

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Re: Foolish US Decision

The US does still seem to be having a hard time accepting that Chairman Deng was better at unfettered capitalism than The Gipper.

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Re: Foolish US Decision

I don't think it is foolish to buy something cheaper from elsewhere, especially when you can just open up the mine again if the economics change. Oh, they already did.

http://www.lvrj.com/business/rare-earth-mine-to-resume-digging-in-california-132370708.html

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Re: Foolish US Decision

It is very foolish when they are of huge national and strategic importance. Yes the US has resumed digging as they have realised China had them by the short and curlies.

Just because it would be cheaper to manufacture Nimitz class aircraft carriers in China do you think for one second the Pentagon would allow it ?

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WTF?

Re: Foolish US Decision

If China found some Nimitz class aircraft carriers buried in the Gobi desert which were for sale on the cheap once they were dug up, then I think the Pentagon would be mad not to buy them and instead to dig up any ships they might find which are buried much deeper under the Rockies.

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"China is [forcing] manufacturers to locate their.. plants within its borders"

Really?

When was the last time that you bought electronics that DIDN'T carry the magic words "Made in China"?

Even the Japanese and the Taiwanese (HTC etc) make most of their kit in PRC, and - electronics aside for the mo - even the 'proudly-Australian' impractical footwear brand Ugg Boots are made there.

Interestingly, according to Brit scientist James Lovelock, the now-standard hazy-red sunsets being experienced in California are a direct result of the pollution particles being blown across the Pacific from Chinese factories.

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Err, yes.

That 97% is of current production, not proven reserves.

And Lynas is opening an Oz mine which will be able to provide about 20% of world demand, Molycorp is reopening a California one with the same sort of volume. Silmet in Estonia has just been bought by Molycorp and they'll expand production there as well.

And that's just proven reserves. In terms of potential reserves, well, REs like Ce and La are about as abundant as copper. And we produce millions of tonnes of copper a year but only about 120,000 tonnes of REs.

This is a blip, a bubble, no more than that.

Quite seriously I was offered an abandoned African RE mine this morning. For the cost of filing the documents to reopen it.

If you want the point in the economic jargon the Chinese monopoly is a contestable monopoly. So, when they try to exploit that monopoly it gets contested and the monopoly fails.

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The ore is pretty common; refining has been the issue. China uses old, messy acid-based refining that causes huge waste problems, which they "solve" by laying waste to vast areas of semi-desert land, I think largely in Inner Mongolia. Newer, cleaner processes may be in store for the Mountain Pass, California mine recently reopened.

What the RE industry needs is another Hall process, the discovery that made aluminum cheap. Alas, Neodymium, Samarium, Cerium and friends aren't so easy.

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Flame

For years people have complained about China's environmental squalor; but as soon as they look like they might be trying to clean up, the SAME people squeal about the lack of cheap resources/toys.

Try going and living in one of their industrial cities for a few months, and then feel the same enthusiasm for cheap production methods.

The commies beating the Yanks at capitalism, you gotta laugh!!!

The flame is for all the filthy coal power stations they are trying to replace with CLEAN renewable power sources.

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trees?

Grab 'em by the trees, the hearts, minds, and attitudes toward tariffs & currency will follow.

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Production versus deposits

According to the US Geological Survey in 2010, China possesses 37% of know deposits of rare earths (economic viability of recovery not taken into account).

The rest of the world, thanks in part to their very own tree huggers, decided that it was less messy to buy from China than the nasty business of actually digging it up themselves.

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Oopsie

Sorry about my previous post about CSIRO working with the US on separation, it was ANSTO!

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/rare-element-commences-separation-testing-and-heavy-rare-earth-testing-2012-03-15?reflink=MW_news_stmp

"Rare Element Resources Ltd. announces that it has entered into an agreement with the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organization (ANSTO) to develop and test a process to produce separated rare earth (RE) products from concentrates derived from ore material at the Bear Lodge project, Wyoming."

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Cough, splutter ?

«Deputy IT minister, Su Bo, reportedly told an industry seminar in Xiamen that the decision was taken because China now wants to promote sustainability in its mining practices (cough, splutter).» May I ask what evidence you can adduce, Phil, to imply that Mr Su isn't at least as concerned with sustainablity in mining practices as your minister of the environment, in the event your government happens to have one and whoever he or she happens to be ? Or is evidence entirely unnecessary when writing articles for the Reg that deal with China ?...

Henri

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Entirely reasonable

Despite the ironic tone of the article it is entirely reasonable for China to overhaul their safety and environental regulations. Rare earths are not in fact scarce and as many posters have already pointed out, the 97% is *market* share. Mining the material can cause acid drainage, and leave great tracts of wasteland if not properly rehabilitated. At present China is just digging it up and sellling it - and countries like Japan and the US are no doubt pleased with the arrangement, because it's cheap and it's not in thier backyard. China's practices if left unchanged will leave a legacy for the next generations to come.

In light of this the tone of the article is deplorable.

Besides which there are alternatives to using rare earths - they cost fractionally more hence they are not used.

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Old News

China announced that they planned to do this to drive up costs in 2009. Why so surprised?

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