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Let’s cut to the chase. The "new iPad" doesn’t have the much-rumoured haptic touch technology. In fact, its list of major new features can be counted on the fingers of one hand. It doesn’t even have a number after its name. How disappointing is that? Apple New iPad 3 And yet, after a weekend of gazing longingly at the …

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"It certainly blows away the Android competition and should ensure that the iPad continues to dominate the tablet category"

Until the "Android competition" bring higher res screens to their devices, in ......3......2......1......

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but it's not like the hi res screen is a surprise though, is it? it was long rumoured for the iPhone, and when it arrived, it was obvious that the iPad was going to get it too.

so WHY hasn't the competition already got higher res screens? it's impossible to think they weren't aware this was going to happen, so why haven't they already got a tablet in the market with at least the same spec screen?

instead, they're all just sitting on their hands, taking a back seat, happy to give Apple all the market share and the publicity. Sure, they'll probably rush a product to market now, and it'll be obviously rushed and critically, later than the iPad.

for the competition to be competition, they've gotta start getting ahead of the game, not just content to constantly play catch-up

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Well lead times are a factor - if you were to literally do nothing until the "new iPad" is released and only then start developing something to copy it, it'd take you 6-12 months to get something to market. Therefore, the fact that Asus announced their high res tablet a month or so ago, and it's due in the next couple of months, shows that they're not sitting on their hands waiting for Apple to move.

Yes, Apple got there quicker, but then Apple have ~10 times the market cap compared to Asus ($600b vs ~$6b), and so possibly an equivalently higher R&D spend, larger supplier influence and reach, etc.

As for your comments about to be competition they've got to release ahead of Apple, not entirely true - Apple are gunning for the premium end alone, there's plenty of smaller (compared to Apple) manufacturers out there carving out plenty of profitable market share, by releasing just behind the (current) market leader.

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It's always the next Android tablet that's going to blow the iPad out of the water though, isn't it.

One never quite seems to come along though.

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Depends. As usual

Your statement depends entirely on several shades of grey - as is so often the case.

Personally, while not an Android fan, I find the Galaxy Note a far, far better tablet than the iPad 2 - and the iPad 3, even without testing the latter. The Note is portable, non-slippery, light, and has an exceptional screen. The iPad is heavy (yes, I DO actually own one), slippery, too large, and doesn't have a very nice screen. #3 will have a nice display, tho. But 4:3, in 2012?

YOUR mileage may vary, but for me the Note blew the iPad out of the water. It's a complex reality we live in.

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Lead times are a factor. However, the iPhone 4 has been out for nearly two years now, and AFAIK, none of the non apple phone even match it for pixel density..

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Not quite.

Yes, and no.

If you look at the numbers, the iPhone 4 share the throne for 3.5" devices with Sharp's IS03 - both at 326, both with retina displays. Nokia's (absolutely brilliant) N900 comes close with 267, tho no cigar.

Sony's Xperia S, on the other hand, has more ppi - 342 on 4.3". The Galaxy Note has "only" 285, but a whooping 5.3" realestate.

So the iPhone isn't alone on top (IS03 was out Oct 2010), and Sony has them beat in absolute terms. Then, of course, we can discuss Retina vs. PenTile vs. etc, etc, etc.

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they do and they don't

As far as I am aware the galaxy nexus matches the iphone for density, The Note is pretty close and I am sure there is a Motorola that matched the iphone resolution as well. On the other hand, most you don't actually need a high density phone screen. The Galaxy S2 is repeatedly considered to be superior to the iphone 4 screen despite having less pixels. Having a high res screen is not the be-and-end all outside of Apple's marketing machine. Android tablets actually out performed the iphone 1 & 2 fvery early ont with higher resolution. Now apple have come back and increased the density to compensate. I am more than happy with the resolution on my Transformer 101. I don't actually see the need to upgrade it for a higher res screen. I would rather have the hd 720p screen of the Galaxy Note 10.1 with it's stylus than the pixel monstrosity that is the new iPad.

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jai

In terms of resolution and more, Apple played catchup before the "the new ipad" arrived, and they'll be playing catchup before the next one arrives. But this doesn;t mean they've been sinttin on their hands waiting for Android to take the lead again. Meanwhile, Android tablet makers are playing catchup at the moment but they've not been sitting on their hands either, they've been releasing advanced, superior products. Perhaps the reason you're not aware of this is that Apple has all the publicity, but I doubt the android makers are happy about this.

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"Lead times are a factor. However, the iPhone 4 has been out for nearly two years now, and AFAIK, none of the non apple phone even match it for pixel density.."

Apple doesn't lead on specs, but it does lead on marketing and awareness. How many people do actually know that you can get better gadgets from other companies? I don't watch TV so I'm not aware of what ads other companies are running, but I saw an ad for Apple yesterday where someone changed a calendar entry on their phone and it updated on their desktop. This has been standard android functionality since the stone age, but it's so unknown that Apple can come to market with a copycat product years later and make it look like something new!

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For Apple, the iPad is the result of a vision for a device that will deliver a certain sort of experience.

For Apple's tablet competitors - well ... it's just not. They don't have a vision, they don't have the desire to bring something innovative to people, they just want a slice of a particular market's profits: their heart isn't in it; they're always going to be playing catchup because their motives are poor.

And I say this as someone who largely dislikes a lot of the controlling, anti-competitive shit that Apple pulls.

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Re: Depends. As usual

4:3 is fantastic as fas as I'm concerned.

You know that there are some of us who can't stand this fad for 'widescreen' displays.

The amount of vertical scrolling that you have to do on many, many web sites is a testament to their designers (who seem to love more and more white space) total lack of nonce about Usability.

Using the iPad in eirter orientation if a far more pleasurable experience than any Widescreen Android tablet I have tried.

SO 4:3 in 2012? YES PLEASE.

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Re: Depends. As usual

"You know that there are some of us who can't stand this fad for 'widescreen' displays."

It's not a fad - it's a preference*. Which is the entire point of this discussion, when it comes down to it.

* Tho if you announce a device as particularly suited for watching movies and TV series, then 4:3 becomes less a preference. Up to you tho. I find the screen too small for movies. Not that I got anything to ever play on it.

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Or ...

"They don't have a vision, they don't have the desire to bring something innovative to people,..."

... they have a DIFFERENT vision for which their products work better. Which is why some of us think *Apple* is playing catchup.

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Re: Depends. As usual (@Windrose)

I think quite a lot of the discussion is manufacturers trying to find a way to distinguish their products and the usual partisans trying to turn it into a wedge issue. Which explains the pattern of up and down votes here, I think — even discussion it like normal people puts you a bit too close to areas heavily ploughed by the trolls.

Me? The 4:3 is closer to A4 (and US letter) so feels better for reading, especially with a pixel density that looks almost as good as printed material. Widescreen is trivially better for most modern video content because most modern video content is widescreen. So I agree with you that it's a preference.

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They were waiting on Android 4.0 (ICS) which less resolutions dependent than the older versions. Apple can get away with iOS as they can get away with keeping the same UI regardless of the screen resolutions and due to their pixel doubling of older iOS apps.

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Overpriced gadget from a corrupt company

This is overpriced and soon you will be able to an Android tablet with the same display (they made by Samsung after all). With Android you wont be contrained by Apple's fachist restrictions. The only reason you will buy a new iPad is if you a fashion conscious pleb thats just wants the latest shinny thing that Apple offers even though all they provided is a better display without any meaningful new functionality. If you get the 4G one you even a bigger idiot.

Fully disclosure: I recieved my new iPad (non-4G) on Friday. I love it every bit as much as my iPhone. I thought it best though to save the Apple haters some valuable time by posting on their behalf.

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Re: Overpriced gadget from a corrupt company

You should seek help.

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Re: Overpriced gadget from a corrupt company

I see what you did there! I was going to suggest that you take your meds until I read the last paragraph!

Don't ownan iPad (though I am a 'fanboi'), but I'll probably be going for the 3 a couple of months down the line...

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Re: Overpriced gadget from a corrupt company

Yes! I want the latest shinny thing!

I love attaching things to my lower leg.

Who doesn't?

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Re: Overpriced gadget from a corrupt company

The funny thing is you were trying to be ironic, and yet your first 3 sentences were bang on - aside from the overpriced (it's no more expensive than the premium competition) and "fachist" comments (I'd argue it's not *fascist*, but merely wrapping non-technical users in a closed-garden cotton wool blanket).

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Re: Overpriced gadget from a corrupt company

Well.. at least they will have decent spell and grammar check, you might appreciate that.

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Re: Overpriced gadget from a corrupt company

In all fairness, I really did want to set out to the usual arguments made against the iPad. I wanted to get them out of the way. I'm not even disagreeing with them. I'm fed up of reading the same old arguments.

I recognise the "issues" with Apple and its devices. I'm not even an Apple fan, but hey... I like the devices. I am happy with the compromises. Completely understand why people may prefer Android based stuff too.

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well said

I bought my first this week, not because I'm a fanbois or I like shiny things, but because it does what it says, updates tend to come out on time, and are not subject to the whims of a hand set manufacturer. The OS is stable and compatibility is pretty good. It will be around for a bit yet unlike android where they bring out a new design a week then ignore the older models. Also apps are more secure and are sandboxed from the OS, I need security for work.

Ok it has some flaws but as tablets go, even without the screen it is the best of the bunch.

Ps, I will continue to abuse fanbois but only if they leave gush all over and leave knob head comments.

You know who I am.

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Re: well said

This, this, this, this etc.

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Not the only reason

I have 7" Galaxy tablet and I am more than happy with it for everyday use, I watch films/browse the web etc on it almost every night before I go to sleep. The quality of the screen is perfect for a 7" device in my opinion.

However, I'm still contemplating getting an Ipad.

The reason? The software I want simply isn't being made and manufactures seem to have little interest in making it for the Android. I'm heavily into music, samplers, synthesizers and Android has been left in the dark compared to what's available in the Ipad.

A conversation about this recently on Korg's web site resulted in someone saying

"I also mainly miss music apps on my Android gear. Tuners and Realbook stuff is available, but not really many nice synths or DAW like things like on iPad/iPhone. But the reason, from the developers point of view, is quite clear I think. The Apple stuff uses CoreAudio which is a known and reliable low latency supporting protocol. The Android audio protocol is fine for multimedia, but is simply not designed to compete in the low latency department. I have a synth on my phone, the lowest achievable latency is 46ms.I think even regardless of the market perception (where most musicians have Apple stuff) from the developers POV, Google needs to seriously update its audio protocol if it is at all interested to compete in this part of the market."

I could list music app after music app that I would love on my android but will never have unless I go for the ipad. For example:

http://moogmusic.com/products/apps/animoog

http://www.spectrasonics.net/products/omnisphere-ipad.php

http://auriaapp.com/

The professional pro music companies are releasing more and more stuff for ipad and simply forgetting Android even exists. Doesn't matter which is better, if I want my music apps on a tablet, I really do have zero choice.

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iPad 2.5 or 3

Difficult call, guess why they called it the new iPad. Personally a hi-def junkie but as developer the A5X seems a bit underpowered so settle on 2.5 and looking forward to A6 for 3 for a balanced CPU/graphics config.

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Re: iPad 2.5 or 3

So...a new screen, a new processor, a new battery, a new telecoms chip and a new case only constitute a dot release to you?

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does it come with a gps?

no (but hey, I can get meself a 4G (or is it 7G these days?) from the US of A, pay the extra for the "G" bit, pay the extra for the postage, pay the extra to the Her Majesty's Customs to support the banking fuckup (i.e. the economic crisis) and then, yes, I will have me gps. Sorted then!

can I expand storage?

no (but hey, instead of picking up an sd card for a tenner, I can get upgrade to a higher spec ipad, 16 Gb extra storage for a mere 80 quid). Sorted!

does it...

no, it doesn't

other than that (and the fact, that it'd be insulting to have to advertise this apple logo, unless you can plaster it with something), it's allright, this ipad.

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Re: does it come with a gps?

One can purchase the 4G (with GPS) version in the UK... No reason to import.

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must have...?

I really, really wanted an excuse to buy one of these as the display is going to be amazing as a photographer. The problem is that I already have an iPhone 4 that does damn near everything else the iPad can do, and an HTPC under the TV for when I want a bigger screen when sofa-surfing. I needed better reasons for spending £400 on a luxury item damn you Apple!

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Re: must have...?

I'm actually comtemplating buying one of these to use as a photographer. Your iPhone 4 may be the bees knees, but how impressed are potential new clients looking at a 2" screen to work out if they like some of your photography style? My principle reason to buy this would be the screen, to have a portable selection of images to show.

I am disappointed that it cannot read images from CF cards, even using the "camera conenction kit" which is supposed to allow for things like this. Also the "camera connection kit" won't allow me to connect it to any of my cameras and do anything with them, although frustraitingly there are a number of Android apps that do allow this (control of camera functions, liveview, focus stacking, etc.) The new 10" Galaxy Note with a similar resolution screen is very tempting, and a proper stylus may make some interactions easier.

In the end though, I've waited too long to buy this one, so I guess I will as soon as it is released in this country (still waiting). I'm told that the Galaxy note will be at least another 6 months here.

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Re: must have...?

There are 3rd party iPad card readers that support CF :)

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Re: must have...?

I know a photographer who uses one, if you want to get images off just use dropbox. Easy peasy.

Plus you will soon be able to use them for card payments.

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Re: must have...?

"There are 3rd party iPad card readers that support CF :)"

Yes, that is true, but unfortunately the iPad can't support enough power to run the bigger cards, so you have to use an external battery, fudged in to make it work, or alternatively put the card into a camera and use a USB cable from an iPad adaptor to the camera to read the card (meaning that the camera can't be taking pictures at the same time).

That said, I'm sure I'll still be drinking the cool-aid if the screen really is as good as I expect.

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@does it come with a gps?

Does it come with GPS? Yes it does. Got a Wi-Fi one and it seems to work just fine.

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The Wi-Fi one does't include GPS. Scarily I _think_ it works it out from SSIDs and IP.

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Ohh... really? Yeah it located my house....

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Re: @does it come with a gps?

Turn wifi and 3g off, go down the road and see if it still knows where you are. My phone definitely has GPS, but it can find me in my house with GPS turned off.

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Re: @does it come with a gps?

The wi-fi only model definitely doesn't have GPS.

As far as I know they use a wi-fi location database to calculate your location.

I read somewhere that one way this database is created/updated is that it periodically gets the location of GPS enabled devices and records the wi-fi hotspots available at their location.

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License to print money

> Suggested Price: £399 (16GB), £479 (32GB), £559 (64GB) all Wi-Fi only

So they sting you £80 for a 16GB upgrade normal retail value £9 delivered.

Then a further £80 for the next 32GB (getting better) which would normally set you back £18 delivered.

Well as the saying goes, a fool and his money...

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Re: License to print money

However, it's exactly the same price difference as officially charged by Samsung and RIM, and was formerly charged by HP. So it's a bit of an industry-wide rip off.

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Re: License to print money

It's not just the industry.

Have you looked at the price difference between cars with different engine sizes? When I last got a car there was a £2K difference between two models that differ only in engine management software.

If the actual incremental cost of the extra flash was added to the 16GB iPad to get to the 32GB model, no one would bother buying the 16GB iPad and Apple wouldn't bother making it. Similarly for 32GB to 64GB. Then you'd be complaining about spending £450 (roughly) for the one 64GB model and why can't Apple make one with, say, 16GB for 100 quid less ...

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@License to print money

Yes but its Apple's special memory made with magic fairy dust. You got to expect to pay more. Its only reasonable.

PS I am one of those fools that forked out for the 64GB. Heck, in for a penny, in for a pound lol...

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16GB - 32GB price

Still some of the most expensive flash memory on the planet!

It's bad enough when you can't upgrade, but they take you to the cleaners on the higher memory models too.

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Re: 16GB - 32GB price

It's not based on the cost of the flash in the product. It's based on the fact that people who fork out for the expensive models are 'subsidising' the cheaper models.

Same for cars: a 3 litre engine doesn't cost any more to make than a 2 litre engine, they just do that to keep the entry price lower for the bottom of the range models.

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Re: 16GB - 32GB price

not really the best comparison. A 2 litre car is almost certainly 4 cyclinder and 3 litre is often 6 so not the same engine. Coupled with uprated components such has suspension, brakes, to actually stop the higher spec engine. Apart from that ......

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Re: 16GB - 32GB price

Utter rubbish

Size... a motorcycle (for instance) can be a single cylinder, twin (V- transverse or inline, or straight or horizontal), triple (v or straight), four - straight , V - transverse or inline, horizontal, square, 6 inline or horizontal, might be a V6 but can't think of one, but Morbedeli made a V8

All of which have entirely different power outputs that is no way related to the configuration.

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@16GB - 32GB price

I agree. The price hike does seem over the top.

The only benefit i can think of the internal only memory is you dont have some of the strange limitations that Android has where some info has to be on the onboard memory and other data can be on the external memory. Which can mean that you dont have enough memory to install an application even though you got tens of gigabyte of space on the SD card.

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