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You've got to hand it to Kirill Tatarinov, the head of Microsoft's ERP division. The Russian Rocket was cool as a cucumber on Monday when a demo of the Windows 8 Metro UI running on a touch-screen tablet crashed and burned during the opening keynote of Convergence 2012. Microsoft is indeed making big, bold bets with the upcoming …

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« Windows 8, ...

... which Microsoft touts as the first operating system to run across multiple devices... »

The first *Microsoft* OS to be able to do that, mind you. And to happily brick them all too, it seems.

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first Microsoft OS to be able to ... run across multiple devices?

Well, they had Windows NT for DEC Alpha AXP64 and for MIPS in the past. And what's more, the NT was developed on MIPS workstations

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Re: first Microsoft OS to be able to ... run across multiple devices?

Also, they did XENIX for PDP-11 (well, they bought source code for PDP-11, so it was The First Architecture for XENIX), for Zilog Z800x and Motorola 68000 (some Apple Lisa publishing system, does anyone remember?).

Oh, and they had BASIC for almost every home computer in 80s, and this counted as OS BTW.

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Re: first Microsoft OS to be able to ... run across multiple devices?

So you're telling us that it's not just an omission from Microsoft (I could've perfectly understood that, from their point of view, Windows is the only OS ever) but a downright blatant lie?

Oh dear, who would have thought...

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Joke

... break the electronic concrete of the past and ...

... apply it to your feet!

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Who'd have thought it?

Android manufacturers maybe, puzzled at why microsoft spends more effort extorting $5 per handset from them than getting its own comedy offerings right: http://goo.gl/1CQE8

Ford customers perhaps, who saw their JD Power customer satisfaction ranking drop from 5th to 23rd because of microsofts MyTouch dash computer garbage: http://goo.gl/t7FPB

Azure users might expect this too, after being left without service due to newbie leap year elementary errors, now being offered compensation (including the British Government): http://goo.gl/u7AUM

And then there are the Bing "users", seeing their searches being conducted by a mere script kiddie style wrapper around Google: http://goo.gl/1qsuo

Sigh. This is starting to feel like shooting fish in a barrel. We mustn't, of course, forget the RDP users wondering who's poking around inside their system every time they use it: http://goo.gl/VT1YP

Still, at least users will take to metro en masse, making everything ok, if it stays up long enough. Won't they?

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Anonymous Coward

Re: Who'd have thought it?

sing a different tune, Bob. This tired old shit is all you ever post.

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Anonymous Coward

Re: Who'd have thought it?

Check the links out dude.

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Re: Who'd have thought it?

@AC - New tune? Sure, this is appropriate: http://goo.gl/dZl6

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Re: Who'd have thought it?

Well I don't know about all the items on your list (because, well, I don't know about them). But the one I do know about - your little piece about Bing stealing Google's search results, I know you have twisted like a corkscrew to make MS a villain here.

The Register covered this here last year:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/01/google_accuses_microsoft_of_copying_its_search_results/

Your link says that Bing is copying Google's search results and implies some nefarious scheme. Actually what happens is that MS collect data on what people go to after searching, just the same as Google do. And if people search via Google or Bing or Yahoo or anything else, it all just goes into the same digestive process. Your link shows a really contrived attempt to make it look like there is foul play here - making a random string and associating it with a page, searching in a browser with feedback turned on so that the random string is fed back to MS for use in Bing so that they can demonstrate it appears in Bing and claim duplicity.

Anyone taken in by your link's claims should read El Reg's less biased explanation of what is actually going on. Like I say, I don't know about your other links, but the gross bias and misrepresentation in this one leads me to conclude you are very far from impartial.

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Re: Who'd have thought it?

There's a difference between doing your own searching and then optimising it by seeing what people actually click on and nicking someone else's results and making it seem like they are the result of your own searches. MS are not optimising their searches, they are nicking them and in an underhand manner by spying on what people are doing in IE and the Bing Toolbar. If MS were doing the same as Google then entering anything into the Bing toolbar would perform a search of Bing's database not of Bing's copy of Google's results.

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Re: Who'd have thought it?

Exactly. That article has been up for well over a year. If there was any doubt whatsoever, with all the legal shite m$ constantly throw at the good guys, does anyone seriously think such defamation would have lasted this long? Nah, clearly they've been caught red handed and all the apologist squirming in the world can't change that. Like it says in the second sentence: "However you define copying, the bottom line is, these Bing results came directly from Google." That's all there is to it - except, of course, for all the FUD spreading downvoters on their payroll.

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ROTFL

At least it wasn't a BSOD like last time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpj1SgQQ984

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Re: ROTFL

The last time a windows machine crashed was 1998? As a heavy, every day user of windows since before that time I expect you may be right.

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Re: ROTFL

No Craigness, the last time a Windows machine crashed at a major Microsoft keynote.

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Re: ROTFL

a google search suggests it happened in 2005 and 2010 too

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Re: ROTFL

actully a BSOD is MORE usefull, window 98 crashed, made the user aware it was unrecoverable, and then advised what crashed and where.

Win8 crashed......

what are the odds error screens were prevented from initalising, the BSOD video was a PR disaster, not suprised if MS wanted to avoid a repeat of that, the fact they had a spare about suggest the preped for this.

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the fact they had a spare about suggest the preped for this

I'm no M$ shill but, come on, a prototype system in first public display - have you never carried a spare in that situation?

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If you choose to ignore ...

"Microsoft touts as the first operating system to run across multiple devices "

If you choose to ignore Linux, that has been running on all those devices and many more (small stamp size systems to huge mainframes) for decades.

And today many apps can access data from any device -they are called web enabled. Or is MS calming compile once, run anywhere (Something Java can do today, at least in theory).

I know - it didn't happen till MS announces it.

And here is what I hope was a well rehearsed demo and the box crashes so hard they can't recover it. I know the product has not been released but do you really think this was the first time they tried this on the box.

Have you every seen the old movies where two steam engines crash head long into each other - I keep seeing that but one is called Windows 8 and the other is Microsoft's future.

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Re: If you choose to ignore ...

If you choose to ignore Linux, then were various flavours of proper UNIX running on different platform before Torvalds was even born

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Re: various flavours of proper UNIX

If I remember my history lessons, the *idea* of a single OS running on different "sizes" of hardware was the big gamble of System/360, so Microsoft are about half a century out. Not for the first time, they call it "innovation" but the idea is actually older than most of the staff developing it.

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Re: If you choose to ignore ...

You understand wrong. Apple took OS X and ported it to ARM hardware, i.e., an iPhone. They replaced the layer of the UI that displays windows etc. with a new layer that does touch, shows bouncy/scrolly lists, etc. Otherwise it's the same operating system.

As evidence, iOS developers can run their apps in a "simulator" that comes with XCode on their Macs, which just provides the iOS UI libraries displayed in a window and otherwise the apps are running as OS X programs on OS X.

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Were they just holding it wrong?

Oh wait, it's not an Apple product launch...

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Re: Were they just holding it wrong?

Maybe they were trying to multitask, and Win 8 decided to minimise distractions.

For their own good, of course.

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Re: Were they just holding it wrong?

Maybe the battery ran out. No wait it's not an Android

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Some people have the 'knack'

No, some people just have the knack of causing any piece of hardware they touch to crash.

My boss can cause my iPad to freeze every time he touches it. My theory is that he must be slight scared of technology, so in stead of touching a screen or pressing a mouse button, he uses only very light, anxious pressure that the poor hardware interprets as about 1,500 inputs per second - result - instacrash.

Yes I know about anti-bounce, but it's the only theory I have to explain the way everything he touches plays up, crashes & locks, from phones to PCs to lifts, even his car.

I've watched him get frustrated when Outlook takes more than 1 second to open (come, on, really, be fair) and he goes into a clicking frenzy saying "see, it won't open", and then poor Outlook tries to open about 200 windows. He can click so fast he'd probably be pretty useful in a CS or QW match.

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Re: Some people have the 'knack'

You surely mean s/people/software/ right?

On a more serious note, I see your point. My father is that kind of person, he can't even keep a quartz-regulated watch as it would shift several minutes off per day.

And yet, I doubt this is what happened here... Go figure.

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Re: Some people have the 'knack'

Get him more RAM and an SSD.

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Re: Some people have the 'knack'

I knew a bloke like that, back in the day, in a System/38 shop. He used to go through terminals like they were free.

Eventually the lads gave him an ancient IBM 5251 as they were thought to be indestructible. It burst into flames while he was using it.

To give the thing credit, it did carry on working for quite some time with smoke and obvious flames coming out the back of it......

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Re: Some people have the 'knack'

Seems like a fairly typical user IMO

wouldnt be surprised if he left an answer phone message for you to contact him about his 'slow' computer as well.

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Re: Some people have the 'knack'

>No, some people just have the knack of causing any piece of hardware they touch to crash.

Some truth to that but in general these are not the people you want demoing your products in front of customers and the press.

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Re: Some people have the 'knack'

"To give the thing credit, it did carry on working for quite some time with smoke and obvious flames coming out the back of it......"

Give also the bloke some credit for his dedication, if he just sat there typing away as the thing was on fire. That's what I call a hard core developer.

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Re: Some people have the 'knack'

I've known people like that with software. One data recovery engineer in our old office was a nightmare. He could find the most obscure bugs.

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Re: Some people have the 'knack'

Have you considered the Pauli effect? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_effect

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What was that fat cable for?

Did I get it right, did MS was showing a tablet?

If yes, than should this tablet live on a battery at least several hours to show how cool the tablet is?

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Re: What was that fat cable for?

Fair point and well spotted. I assume from the bottom we have a power cable and a video cable, but what is the third cable at the top for?

Is this the future that MS sees for tablets?

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Re: What was that fat cable for?

yeah the cables just emphasize why M$ will fail in the tablet space once again. Windows 8 not only won't succeed in the tablet space but will fail (by M$ standards) on the desktop as well. Vista redux fail.

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Re: What was that fat cable for?

Its a Samsung series 7 slate.... the cables are top top to bottom; usb, hdmi and power.

Its a rather excellent bit of kit that can be picked up for about £950. Its looks and feels very classy and yeah not sure about the power cable, mine will do over 5 hours easy. HDMI obviously for presentation projector, usb for storage device?

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Re: What was that fat cable for?

"Fair point and well spotted. I assume from the bottom we have a power cable and a video cable, but what is the third cable at the top for?

Is this the future that MS sees for tablets?"

I see the rabid Microsoft haters are out in full force today. Obviously Microsoft doesn't expect you'll only use your tablet with three cables plugged into it. Third cable is likely for audio. While HDMI carries sound for TVs, it doesn't as often for PCs. We'll see tablet docks from people other than HP and ASUS pretty soon. It is a shame that Apple has no innovation or creative thinking with these things.

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Re: What was that fat cable for?

Maybe because Apple has worked out how to send sound over HDMI from their devices, they don't need to "innovate" an extra cable?

The iPhones, iPod, iPads, and MacBooks that I use for work are all able to output sound over HDMI just fine.

Although to avoid turning this into a complete Mac vs. PC situation, I use an HP PC as a HTPC and it outputs sound over HDMI just fine too.

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Re: What was that fat cable for?

Lol -seriously? You think that this Windows OS can't do hdmi sound where 7 can???

Bullseyed: Anyway, just tested with mine (the same Samsung series 7 slate used in the demo)and it was fine, recognised my onkyo and pushed sound over it fine. So unlikely the usb was for sound, so still stand by my initial thoughts that its probably external storage given the "small"128gb ssd

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Re: What was that fat cable for?

OH and I don't need my dock either to do audio carrying hdmi

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So what /should/ have been done?

Over the year that I ran Windows 7 professional I've only experienced 1 BSOD; which was when I was messing with VirtualBox & Windows 8, so all in all not that surprising.

However; if Windows hangs you can always hit control-shift-escape or control-alt-delete, the latter usually forces the system to pick up after which you can start the task manager.

But what should you do when this happens on your tablet? Obviously your screen won't respond, so you probably need to push some button(s). But don't tell me that the only thing you can do is turn the system off (if you're lucky) ?

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Re: So what /should/ have been done?

"However; if Windows hangs you can always hit control-shift-escape or control-alt-delete, the latter usually forces the system to pick up after which you can start the task manager." -- and what do you do when all that three finger saluting fails? Hit reboot.

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Re: So what /should/ have been done?

Yup my Linux box running XBMC never crashes, oh wait not it doesn't because it hung so often i replaced it with a Win XP also running XBMC which runs beautifully. Still spending 3 hours trying to get the right f'ing version and prerequisites for it on Umbongo was sooo much easier than Windows, next, next, next.

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Re: So what /should/ have been done?

XBMC hangs, that is true. But the OS? The OS keeps on trucking and you just need to shoot XBMC.

I have (after some extreme fiddling) managed to get X to vomit everywhere and lock totally. So no desktop, now keyboard response, nada. But the OS? The OS kept on trucking and I was able to restart X from another PC.

Just because an application has choked, do not assume the OS itself is dead.

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