An alleged member of hacker group LulzSec appeared in a London court on Friday charged with conspiracy over cyber-attacks against websites maintained by the CIA and the UK's Serious Organised Crime Agency. Ryan Ackroyd, 25, of Oak Road, Mexborough, Doncaster, is also charged with breaking into systems maintained by the NHS and …
Is that where they decide to extradite him to the US instead of spending British taxpayers' money on the trial?
Re: Case management?
As a tax payer if it's cheaper to extradite this idiot to the US and spend his prison time there, put him on a plane.
Re: Case management?
Is where where they decide?
Why drag him to London for the show trial?
Don't they do the right wing of sort of justice in Donkeystir?
Looking at other arrests, such as Gary Mckinnon and Richard O'Dwyer, it would make logical sense for English alleged criminals to commit a crime in the UK as well as the US, so they do not get deported. Just charged with an offence and stand trial in UK instead.
So this may actually entice more to hack in the UK after reading this story.
This looks like a misguided weak attempt at subliminal support for Gary McKinnon and Richard O'Dwyer both of whom committed alleged offences in the US, and therein face extradition. If you bother to read around there is strong evidence that these allegations are not without substance.
You may wish to think about jumping on a band wagon where there is more justification for the moral outrage poured out in these forums.
re: alleged offences committed in the US
> This looks like a misguided weak attempt at subliminal support for Gary McKinnon and Richard O'Dwyer both of whom committed alleged offences in the US, and therein face extradition.
Technically speaking the alleged crime was committed here and the computers were in America. That's why the Americans have to apply for extradition.
> If you bother to read around there is strong evidence that these allegations are not without substance.
It's not their guilt or innocence that's at stake, but the unbalanced extradition treaty between the UK and the USA. I am quite frankly puzzled as to what the US Federal Bureau of Investigations is even doing in this country. In years to come, people are going to look back and wonder why so few spoke out against the creeping erosion of our democratic liberties, all in the service of defending the worlds greatest democracy.
Re: re: alleged offences committed in the US
"Technically speaking the alleged crime was committed here and the computers were in America. That's why the Americans have to apply for extradition."
In McKinnon's case the servers which were attacked were in the US thus it might equally well be argued that the crime was committed in the States. It is certainly the case that the impact of these offenses was in the States.
This is harder to see as it stands at the moment in the case of O'Dwyer. Having read beyond the sensationalist media articles on the case of McKinnon to find that there are good grounds for extradition. I would suspect that there are aspects O'Dwyer's case that aren't being highlighted by the media.
"..... the unbalanced extradition treaty ..... "
In the case of McKinnon this treaty is irrelevant anyway in that he has already admitted to accessing servers in the US, and there is far more evidence than required for 'probable cause' .
Again you are reading the more sensationalist media statements, O'Dwyers mothers claims of how it is 'so unfair' sell newspapers. This doesn't always give the full picture.
The review of this treaty concluded there wasn't a lot of difference between 'reasonable suspicion' and 'probable cause', and further to this ' UK extradition procedure was found to be more elaborate, and more difficult to achieve, than that from the US'.
Oops they done it again
I'm sure Ackroyd is going to get a good lesson in law and life.
Re: Oops they done it again
Yes, whether or not he is found guilty as charged...
And The Sceptic Tanks ?
Is there a US application to extradite him to the US for dropping litter on a London street ?
It's a crime punishable by electric chair in the US.
The US are unlikely to get involved for dropping litter in London. Further to this suggesting that this would be a crime punishable by electric chair is paranoid even by the standards of the tin hat wearing conspiracy theorists who hang out on these forums.
News international involved in another hacking story
only on the receiving end for a change
He should have owned a newspaper
Kid with a LOIC, straight to jail.
Multi-billion pound news paper owner, lengthy political inquiry.
If at first you are in denial
The judicial system will explain the law to you at your sentencing.
The thinking man's hack.
Hack and go to prison
You can go to prison for DDoS also. If they are dumb enough to hack, they are dumb enough to rot in prison.
Re: Hack and go to prison or not
Not if you are rich.
Re: Hack and go to prison or not
If you have evidence that some "rich folks" have hacked, then provide it to authorities so they can prosecute.
Madoff is in prison
Bernie use to be plenty rich and he's in prison. OJ had a couple bucks and he's in prison.
"In years to come, people are going to look back and wonder why so few spoke out against the creeping erosion of our democratic liberties, all in the service of defending the worlds greatest democracy."
No they won't. The punishment for such thoughtcrime will be swift and brutal.
No one is losing their democratic liberties. Hacking is not a libery. It's a crime that comes with consequences.
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