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Dodgy GPS systems have claimed three more victims, after a trio of Japanese tourists tried to reach Stradbroke Island off Australia’s Gold Coast in a small car. The Bayside Bulletin and Redland Times report that the three, despite the presence of lots and lots of water between their origin and intended destination, took their …

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That's what the big transparent bit at the front of the car is for. Double-checking.

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thought

You were mean to use your eyes and brain?

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island

One would think every Japanese citizen would understand what the word "Island" means. Was there a sobriety test done?

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Z80

Re: island

島=shima=island

半島=hantou=peninsula

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Re: island

The are at least 3 "isles" in UK that are actually peninsulars, and there are several islands that are reachable at low tide by submersible causeways.

However, I have seen google maps show what is a ferry crossing as a road.

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Re: peninsula

noun : peninsula

adjective : peninsular

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@Colin Miller

And there's the Isle of Wight, which is only reachable by car after re mortgaging your house to pay the extortionate ferry fare.

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Happy

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In the days before Google maps I was stumped by a map (physical paper one) that showed a road crossing the Danube between Slovakia and Hungary. It turned out that the 'road' on the map actually referred to a ferry crossing. there was an ex-bridge (pylons mid-river without the bridge deck going over) that had been destroyed during WW2. The locals seemed quite amused when asked about the bridge!

However I did choose to believe my eyes rather than the map

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Plus 30 minutes after getting there you've seen everything and want to come back :-\

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Yeah, its just a Darwin thing. Leave it be.

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no doubt

take the warning labels off immediately.

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At least the title is right

I have to say that I consider it refreshing to see an article which heading tells the whole story like it is. "People follow GPS, end up doing something stupid".

How many times do you read headlines like: "GPS leads people into the sea! (omg?!)".

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Well,

We do know that GPSes in Japan are far much more well behaved than those sold elsewhere. While those sold elsewhere plots to kill their owners, the Japanese ones are like Japanese wives: loyal, unassuming and will take a bullet for their owner if their owner is in danger. Remember, the Japanese love their robots, and their robots love them back.

Those tourists probably assumed all GPS devices are the same, a very deadly assumption.

Terminator, because this is a ROTM article after all.

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Japanese wives

>>Japanese ones are like Japanese wives: loyal, unassuming and will take a bullet for their owner if their owner is in danger

Er, it seems you know nothing about Japanese wives!

An iron fist in a velvet glove is how they're often described. It's no surprise that Japanese companies traditionally pay a husband's salary directly into the bank account of his wife.

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Re: Well,

Odd from what I gather from my wife (who lived in japan) most (bored) wives spend their time cheating on their husbands and spending their money.

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Re: Well,

looks like im off to japan!

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Re: Japanese wives

Also why Japanese household saving is so high, internationally compared.

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again ...

When behind the wheel, turn off all your toys.

You are driving, so fucking DRIVE! It's kind of important.

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Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again ...

A) The GPS wasn't just a toy. It was their equivalent of a map, and in this case even a map could've made a mistake and put a road where there shouldn't be.

B) These people were tourists, unfamiliar with the area, and it's not unheard of to get from a mainland to a nearby island by way of a bridge or causeway.

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@Charles 9 (was: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again ... )

The map is not the territory.

Shame common sense is neither ...

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Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again ...

Indeed, I know of several roads to 'islands' where you can actually drive when there is low tide. There's always a sign consisting of a load of text, which foreigners may have a hard time to read/understand.

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Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again ...

Sorry Charles, living as I do overlooking the bay and staring at the island whilst sat at my computer, I reckon that the 10 bloody miles of water between the mainland and the island (even at low tide) should give anyone with half a brain pause for thought. It never looks remotely possible, even at the lowest of low tides...

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Now I'LL reiterate.

You may be familiar with the area. They *weren't*. And like I said, causeways are possible, as are low-tide roads as others have noted (another thing: they may not be familiar with local tidal patterns which differ from place to place). They didn't know the condition of the roads there, probably figured the path to be a low-tide road, miscalculated, and got stuck. Crap happens.

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Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again ...

C) These people were idiots and unfamiliar with the sea.

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Re: Now I'LL reiterate. (@Charles)

Your generosity of spirit has no place on this site. We're geeks. We're perfect. We never fucking type 'rm -Rf *' while in the root. Now get back to slagging people off.

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Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again ...

too true, turn of your toys... that includes speedometers, fuel guages, indicators (god help us you might get distracted by your indicators and pull out without looking), brakes, windscreen wipers, lights... oh and whilst you are at it the ignition.

numpty. it's not a toy it's a tool and, as any oter tool, if used inappropriately will not give the desited result.

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Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again ...

Clarkson syndrome --

'I'm a great driver, fantastic, in fact. Yet when I'm asked to drive at no more than 50 mph on a motorway I bleat about having to watch the speedo all the time and I then claim it's dangerous.'

Odd how 'cruise control' never gets a mention.

Looking at a tiny screen is no substitute for looking out of a big screen now and then just to check you're still on the road'

TwatNav will be with us forever.

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@Mike 102 (was: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again ...)

Does it make you feel warm and comfy when people are using these things while behind the wheel even though they can't use a keybr0ad properly whilst sitting at their desk?

Just askin' ...

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Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again ...

However, the significant word here is "road". Even Johnny Foreigner should be able to figure out that when he starts driving across a mudflat towards the sea, he's probably not going the right way.

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Re: Now I'LL reiterate.

Familiar with the area?! If my map said "turn here", and "here" appeared to be 15km of water, I would want to see a damn great sign saying "causeway" and giving tide times before I just drove into the sea.

Most Australian hire-car documents are very clear that the car is not insured when taken off metalled roads. Maybe when these people get the bill they'll reflect on engaging their brains next time they're behind the wheel.

> Crap happens.

Note once you're past about 2 years old it doesn't, it generally requires some effort to produce.

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Re: Now I'LL reiterate.

Great fun watching the causeway to Lindisfarne (Holy Island) in Northumbria as the tide comes in and the last drivers try to get back to the mainland before being stuck for a few hours. There are even refugees on rather tall frames. It is a lot further than you think and the tide moves much faster than one would think possible.

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Lindisfarne was near my childhood home. The causeway came complete with "The Refuge" (think large garden shed on very long stilts) for those who could neither tell the time or recognize the difference between an incoming or receding tide..

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Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again ...

Sat navs, when used properly, are very helpful.

Saved me quite a bit of time in Milton Keynes (and visitors to their fare non-city will probably agree) that its difficult to navigate, even after checking maps in advance and street-viewing my route, as everything looks the same.

It can also be safer. Work dumped me in the Netherlands with a motorway trip in a hire car. First time driving on the opposite side of the road, with the body of the car at the opposite side (extra concentration to line yourself up with the lane) and speeds in KPH instead of MPH to fight with, without having to deal with locations in a language you are not familiar with and trying to spot them in overhead gantries.

Using the sat nav helped free up concentrating on my location so I could use it to watch the road.

Note, that I said I was watching the road. If it did point me at a cliff edge, I would stop.

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Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again ...

Completely agree. Recently had the same experience, except I was in Boston in the US.

First time on the wrong side of the road in a left-hand drive car was the 20 mile drive to the hotel. I would not want to do that without a GPS, i did not know that motorway junctions there sometimes have two exits depending which way you want to go on the road you're joining.

I've had a few WTFs from the GPS too though. TomTom tried to take me down a farm track going from Leatherhead to a hotel on Epsom Downs once. I just ignored it, and it recalculated - I think some people forget the GPS will recalculate the route if you go wrong, and think they will get lost if they don't obey every instruction.

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Re: Now I'LL reiterate.

Ah...Charles my dear boy...let me refer you to the FIRST comment above by @moiety...OK.

'nuf said?

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@Alan Edwards: First time on the wrong side of the road in Boston?!?!?

You sir are either a very brave, or very stupid man and certainly a very lucky man. Even those of us accustomed to driving on the wrong side of the road avoid Boston if we can.

Have virtual pint on me for surviving the trip.

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Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again ...

A SatNav is a tool, not a toy. A very useful too at that. Only a poor workman blames his tools.

Or are you one of those people who have the radio turned off, passengers ordered to be silent and are a Zen Master who can actually devote 100% attention onto the single task of driving for multiple hours at a time?

A properly positioned SatNav is no more distracting than checking your speedo. Or don't you do that either?

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I'm sure this kind of thing happened before GPS as well...

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Punctuation

I stopped reading after the second incorrect use of "it's".

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Re: Punctuation

Well, fair enough. But you did get through most of the article before skipping to the comments, which is kind of unusual around here.

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It's best to use the "submit corrections" link to point this sort if thing out.

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No, because use of such will simply be ignored.

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They were right.

And I guess they had that "Dunwich look", after all, they should have taken a ferry to dunwich.. and hey, maybe they were hybrids!!

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Re: They were right.

It was the "Innsmouth look". I'm not sure what the "Dunwich look" would be - invisible and oversized, perhaps?

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They got it out?

According to the source article, the tow truck driver took a look at it and said no way and the insurance company is now involved...

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Boffin

Which GPS and Map provider?

TomTom? NAVTEQ, Google, or some third party provider?

GPS isnt the issue, it's the underlying map quality that is a problem.

Of course it could be the software that misinterprets Ferry Links or water features incorrectly.

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One day, coming home, I left the satnav on long after I knew where I was going. It confidently told me to turn right down a lane I know leads to a ford that is only suitable for horses. I ignored it, obviously, but I'm surprised the river isn't full of Japanese tourists.

GO, because, well, the satnav INSISTED.

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Are you sure it's only suitable for horses. There's a lane not far from us with a ford which a lot of people are scared of, but I've driven it many a time. I would avoid it if the stream was in flood, but a satnav couldn't know about that could it? An old feller who lives nearby assures me that back in the fifties everybody used to use that road, but fewer and fewer people use it today because, as he put it, "everybody's nesh these days".

I was talking to one of my neighbours a few weeks ago and he told me how useless satnavs were, because a visiting friend's satnav had tried to direct him up a lane nearby which was he said "completely impassible by motor vehicles". I was about to argue with him when an Asda delivery van emerged from the lane. Yes it's narrow, badly surfaced and at one point very steep, but it is still technically a public road and can be driven. I did it in a Nissan Micra of all things. It's not a sensible route and for preference I would go the long way round, but there's nothing actually wrong with the route. I've noticed that satnav tends to suggest this route when people select shortest or most economical. By default I think satnav should be set to simplest.

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what is it....

with people and GPS, they seem to think its a substitute for their brain!

People driving into the sea, lorries getting stuck between buildings, I mean, what is wrong with people.

Surely if they are That Thick, what are they doing driving a car in the first place!

Geez the shear stupidity of people.

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