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Are noisy computer viruses interfering with your enjoyment of playing games on your Xbox 360? If so then the Xbox 360 Elite HDMI 180o Swivel Cable from 3rd Earth it just what you need. The product's marketing pitch claims that it's a "100% Mylar double shield 1.3c grade cable with anti-virus protection to reduce virus noises and …

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Compatible with all types of screen?

Any screen that uses a cable connection?

I have a 32" LCD. That has DVI, SCART and Coax cable connections. That thar cable is not directly compatible.

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Re: Compatible with all types of screen?

What do people expect from cheap Chinese junk cables? Honesty?

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I truly hope that...

...someone "takes them to the cleaners", in court for gross such a gross, mis-representation of the function that an HDMI cable can perform - Trade Descriptions/Sale of Goods legislation should cover this, to say nothing of the cost they might incur, should someone raise their claim with, say, the ASA...

Stick that up your socket!

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Re: I truly hope that...

and what hifi too then? seeing as they recommend HDMI cables that can make skin tones look more real.... seriously.. nobody has ever been able to prove stupidly prices HDMI cables offer better anything over well made, standard compliant cables.

fair enough if you run over 15m on HDMI you need good quality cable and maybe a booster somewhere but some of the HDMI cable prices are ridiculous. trading standards NEEDS to do something as so many people are being ripped off. this isnt analogue. a data cable can either transmit its signal or it cant and you get noise.

so many companies try to sell you expensive cables. i actually think they tell their monkeys there is a difference..

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£1.20! Cripes, I was robbed, I paid £1.89 for one from e-bay just two weeks ago. The scoundrels.

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Re: I truly hope that...

It's slightly telling that the 1 person who down voted you either sells overpriced cables or has spunked a load of cash on expensive cables and is an idiot.

Clue - It's digital. The cable either works or it doesn't. In the world of analogue SCART you could indeed get nasties from cheap cables (although you never needed to spend a fortune to get a good cable if you knew where to look). But with HDMI it either works or doesn't. The cable cannot impact skin tones, sharpness, etc.

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Re: I truly hope that...

You -can- get sparkles, nasty and bizarre streaking, flickers, and so forth. It's bizarre, but I've seen it quite a bit, and at some point, obviously, the cable will be too long. And there are differences - I've done very (verrrry...) long tests with big sets of different tables, driving different monitors and at a range of resolutions. You'll get some odd results - some monitors can work with some cables at N feet, and others can't, for instance.

But there's more than just works / doesn't - the sparkling and streaking, particular, are quite annoying, and look rather like what you might get with a lousy analog cable. And cable quality -does- have an effect.

Not at this level, though. These people are just assholes.

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Re: I truly hope that...

> It either works or it doesn't

Not quite true.

As SNR decreases, there's a *far* sharper fall-off in perceived quality that with analogue. It does however occur over a finite range, though with suitable coding techniques, that range can be made arbitrarily small.

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mylar?

how will that stop "virus noises" even if such a thing were likely to plague you? Mylar doesn't stop electromagnetic interference, it is just a good strong insulator. Seems they had a spare space on the back of the packet and made any old bollocks up!

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Re: mylar?

I'll have you know that I have owned this cable for 3 months, and have yet to catch any "noise viruses". It totally works! 9/10 stars

/lying

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Title says it all.

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I notice their marketing pitch seems to be a 2x1 gif.

Or possibly you've got a duff link, maybe....

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That's-

The Small Print.

Don't read it carefully.

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Sure they mean triboelectric noise but...

Does "100% Mylar" actually mean "not 100% Mylar"?

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Chuck in a full wave rectifier and some capacitors

That should stop any viruses getting through. In fact the signal will be very pure indeed.

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Re: Chuck in a full wave rectifier and some capacitors

Cheaper just to use two serial diodes, one pointing upstream, one pointing downstream.

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Probably...

... a bad translation from Chinese? Could they mean parasitic noise?

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Re: Probably...

Just what I was thinking.

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Exactly

Actually, as far as Chinese-English mistranslations are concerned this one is pretty innocuous and hardly worthy of discussion.

Discuss this one...

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/myl/llog/Gan10.jpg

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it's a digital signal??

"obtain perfect image transmission"

HDMI - it's a digital signal, with redundancy and error correction built into the standard. There's no need to pay over the odds for extra shielding. Although, that's not to say you should go with the absolute cheapest available. The very cheap cables might be affected over long distances enough to introduce enough bad data to disrupt the signal, but the thinking you'd still only see if on a 1080p image, 720p should still be able to recover the lost data before you see it.

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Re: it's a digital signal??

plus, you need a 1.4 cable for 3d 1080p. and 1.4 has ethernet and ARC too i believe. still, good quality 1.3 cables should be able to do 3d anyway.

punters need looking after from this BS

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Like all those Toslink cables you see listed..

...with "gold connectors for extra quality".

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Re: Like all those Toslink cables you see listed..

Maplin used to sell gold plated battery terminals for cars - it supposedly made the ICE sound better!

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Re: Like all those Toslink cables you see listed..

Linking tossers kit together

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Re: Like all those Toslink cables you see listed..

"Maplin used to sell gold plated battery terminals for cars - it supposedly made the ICE sound better!"

I think you are missing the point, Toslink is an fiberoptic cable. Atleast battery terminals are actually useing the metal for energy transmission. With Toslink it's just bling for blings sake.

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Re: Like all those Toslink cables you see listed..

maplin used to sell cables for £40 with buy price of 28p, fact my friends! margins on cables are HUGE! you'd need to be daft to spend that on a small length, christ we sold long 10/15 meter HDMI cables for £130+ with a buy price of ~£7.89.

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Re: Like all those Toslink cables you see listed..

I've been trying to tell the folks on the Computer Audiophile website for years that the $300 USB cable they bought still only has $3 worth of bits at best, 50c at worst. I doubt they take 10 hours to put together.

They never listen.

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Audiophiles

> couldn't tell the difference if they'd spent twenty quid down Tandy and stood in the corner.

I'm one of the people who CAN tell the difference... But I'm also one of the people who doesn't see the point in spending thousands of dollars on audio equipment just to reduce the entertainment value of music by making it way too serious.

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Re: Like all those Toslink cables you see listed..

bad analogy there as i think many people can tell the difference. just like its pretty easy to tell the difference between DVD and blu-ray HD audio. as long as you have a good enough system,

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Lost in translation?

Now all your virus are belong to us!

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Sounds good

Do Amazon do it in a pack with the Denon AKDL1 Ethernet Cable for an extra high quality connection to XBox Live?

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I love the noise viruses make...

that crisp, crunchy sound as you grind them underfoot.

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Mylar is a common backing tape for foil screening in data cables, but is pretty damn useless on its own.

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Yup, and it needs to be connected to an earth to have any effect...

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So

Will it keep my kids quiet? Thats the main noise in my house.

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Re: So

Depends on how tightly you wrap the cable around their necks.

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Disappointed

With the manufacturer name "3rd Earth" and the totally nonsensical claim, I was expecting some esoteric cable priced in the three digits range, and presented not in a lowly blister pack, but in a satin-lined hardwood box.

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Virus Noise?

I thought all viruses had a noise associated with them. Isn't it normally "Aaaaarrrrrggghhhh bugger" coming from the user when they discover the damn thing's infected their PC/MAC/Android?

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Interference can be an issue

Obviously not caused by virusses but merely other forms of radiation.

As weird as it sounds (I myself wouldn't believe this either) its true. I have cable TV and also a subscription for digital tv. So basically using a separate tuner which allows me to check up on a lot of different channels.

At some time I started experiencing issues where the signal seemed to be under the minimum threshold thus causing some channels not to come up, others to display jitter and some of the services of my provider (tv on demand for example) didn't work because "the service wasn't available".

I called support thinking that there might be an issue with my tuner. But to my surprise they determined that the cause of the interference was actually in the cable between the tuner and the TV. They sent me an extra shielded cable (no extra charge, talk about service) and my problems were gone from that day on.

SO while this story about "virusses" is obviously a marketing fantasy the advantages of using a double shielded cable are not.

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Re: Interference can be an issue

Yep, the best cables are usually mylar/aluminium(?) foil + a tinned braided screen. The mylar insulates the two screens, thus you can connect the braid at both ends to counter lower frequency noise which is inductively coupled to ground and the foil screen is grounded only at one end to capacitively couple high frequency noise. The high quality cable you received may even have had individually screened twisted pairs and overall screens(!).

As the screens affect the characteristic impedance of the cores (among other things), it may have been that rather than all those screens, it was a cable with better impedance matching to your tuner box (source impedance) and T.V (load impedance) which gave you better signal to noise ratio and sorted things for you.

Dimly remembered transmission line theory lesson over!!

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Do the gold plated cable transmit the virus in its purest form?

What of Monster Cables, are they essentially expensive gold plated supercancer delivery systems?

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Yes and yes.

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Snake oil

They're not a patch on Russ Andrews - they've had several ASA judgements against them (e.g. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/13/russ_accessories/), with no sign of stopping (just tweaking the wording of their claims so they can't be proved wrong)...

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I'd buy one if it got rid of background noise on XBL

Would loud music being picked up through a crappy microphone and played to an entire Xbox Live gaming lobby be classed as a virus?

If so I'd buy this cable.

If it could also filter out children screaming down their headsets, racists, bigots and morons from also invading my gaming experience I think I'd buy a large amount of shares in the company.

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Re: I'd buy one if it got rid of background noise on XBL

If you don't like racists, bigots and morons then I really don't understand what you are doing on xbox live?

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Bah!

CD "rim balancers" that prevent exploding discs

Magnets that slip around the neck of a wine bottle and magically improve the taste.

Magnets that you wear on your wrist to (insert imaginary beneficial effect).

Hi-fi leads that defy physics to bring you a "fuller" experience.

Anything that comes in a package labelled "homeopathic".

And now the nonsense comes to console gaming. Had to happen, I suppose.

Every year it becomes harder not to just give in and go into the Expensive (and Useless) Tat For Credulous Loons biz. Dirty money, but by crikey as I get older I'm forced to admit that some people have it coming.

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