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Android developers across Europe are up in arms as Google hasn't processed their March payments, which should have arrived more than a week ago. Google pays developers their 70 per cent share every calendar month, normally in the first few days of the month, with the money then taking a few days to clear. But this month dozens …

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Hear No

See No, Do No Evil

What a rotten way to treat people. I read through the linked forum, there are some pretty pissed off people out there and rightly so.

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Re: Hear No

It's funny how they can take the money instantly, yet can't do the same when paying it out.

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perhaps QT Nokia market isn't so bad after all

As my title already said it: perhaps Symbian/QT Nokia isn't so bad after all. Instead of jumping ship should have remained on all platforms of marketvalue (and although many may not like it, that STILL includes Symbian/QT).

Devs should be less narrow minded and code for more platforms that would at lease alleviate these kind of problems as you receive revenue from a few more sources.

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Par for the course with Google payments dept

Having had contracts with them, they have never paid on time, and the ineptitude exhibited by their Payment department is staggering. And these people often have "Payment Specialist" as their job title.

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Re: Par for the course with Google payments dept

But they're great at collecting:

http://support.google.com/adwords/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1185956

"If your payment isn't received in full by the due date, Google might work with an external collections agency. This agency might send you a combination of letters and emails that request payment on behalf of Google."

Maybe devs should get a collection agency too.

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Re: Par for the course with Google payments dept

Maybe Google's 'Payment Specialist' is doing exactly what he is paid to do............

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Never invite customers to click links from third parties

What a great way to invite phishing and their cracker buddies.

Security community tries to educate 300 year old banks about their customer mailings, perhaps they should start with trendy google.

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Re: Par for the course with Google payments dept

"Maybe devs should get a collection agency too."

Quite right. AFAIK there is an EU law according to which suppliers can charge interest on late payments. It was specifically set up to protect small suppliers from large buyers (big corporations or governments) who many times have a policy of paying as late as possible on the principle that a small supplier will not push too hard for prompt payment for fear of losing business

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How much

intrest on the money does the delay work out per day?

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Correction needed

"the very people Android needs to attract to provide an iOS alternative"

Is this statement necessary? If I read this four years ago it would be sound, but Android has already established itself as an iOS alternative. You should be saying this about Windows Phone.

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Re: Correction needed

Being the market share king doesn't mean professional developers are all happy with your actions or you are doing well.

Take me as example, got $200 worth of software in my dead Nokia e71 in closet and yet, couldn't buy a single cent worth of software from android market. They (don't want to break Godwin) don't allow me to purchase software. I can't even SEE paid software without hacking my sim card.

If I still had Nokia or bought Apple, I could buy software. We are a huge market.

Sad thing is, unlike me, when people can't buy software ordinarily, they switch to crackers. They also get used to it. Just like music, when they taste piracy, hard to earn them back.

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FAIL

And well all know how this will end...

If the thread has collected enough complaints to become a concern then Google will simply lock down the forum telling everyone to e-mail them and eventually remove the thread in its entirely.

Oh the irony; back then it involved the /exact/ same problems; developers complaining about not getting paid.

If this isn't proof enough that in the end Google doesn't care then I don't know what is.

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Re: And well all know how this will end...

Even Googles fans don't care.

Where are they when they can't spin a negative story about google into something anti apple?

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Very bad karma

This kind of attitude needs to be stompped on NOW as it will do more to harm Google and the the Android platform than any competitor, legal action, or privacy concerns ever could.

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Anonymous Coward

Re: Very bad karma

Surely it's Google that are harming themselves by not paying their developers, right? Sounds like a reasonable cause for complaint to me.

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Some deserved it big time

Say anything about google but lets agree they never said a word to other app markets. Only Symbian, blackberry and android has this third party app store function.

There are questionable choices from questionable countries but app stores from countries like Germany (android pit) and Norway (opera) exists. They are governed by really strict accounting and privacy laws and their judicial system is known for centuries for their neutrality.

As ex Symbian user, I never thought Google wouldn't sell stuff to my country. Being google advertiser added to my ignorance. When I figured it, I went to opera store and German owned android pit store. I can't buy 90% of apps even from euro developers since they don't sell there too. Licensing is always used as excuse but I notice stuff I manage to buy, even manually via paypal has google licensing.

They are the ones who puts all their eggs to one basket while there is no reason.

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Devil

It's the new economy stupid.

You work hard and your boss takes the profit and you say thank you.

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Anonymous Coward

Keep it real...

"Android developers across Europe"

oooh, this sounds big

"dozens of developers"

oh, okay - so it's bad - naughty google, be seriously - this isn't a wide scale problem, naughty press. No story here... move along.

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Re: Keep it real...

It's very real to the people who aren't getting paid.

How about you turn up for work and not get paid?

Keep it real. It's only you

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Re: Keep it real...

How do you know this isn't a wide-scale problem?

For all we know, 50% of Google's European developers could be involved. That's precisely the point - because there is no method to count those affected, it could be 500 developers, it could be 50,000. My guess is that it's a pretty significant number.

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How do you know?

How do you know this isn't a wide-scale problem?

For all we know, 50% of Google's European developers could be involved. That's precisely the point - because there is no method to count those affected, it could be 500 developers, it could be 50,000. My guess is that it's a pretty significant number.

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I wonder

If it had anything to do with changing the name from Market to Play Store? There might be accounts needing to change etc?

Not that I know anything about anything.

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It's no surprise Google takes longer to pay out than to collect but the thing that draws my attention is it seems that under no circumstance does Google ever offer some sort of real support.

Maybe I've not tried hard enough but I don't ever recall be able to contact Google support directly either through a phone number or even email address.

It's also through their shitty suport forums where you can submit your question to be ignored by them or for some idiot to reply to with something of no value.

I do seriously wonder why anyone would want to invest their time into a company's products when that company appears to flat out refuse to support you in any meaningful way.

iirc, for android development too they point you to stack overflow for help too. Yeah I'm sure that's fine most of the time but actually I rather pay for a developer licence and get real support from people within the company like Apple.

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Devil

It is back ?!

Google originally closed down and wiped out the original thread of angry developers. I followed El Reg's link and I saw the "this is gone" (no literal quote) page.

And now its back ?

Could it be that Google is suddenly feeling the heat here?!

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Can you talk a little more on why you cannot purchase apps on Android?

Are you saying the apps you had on the Nokia E71 aren't available for purchase because:

a) They haven't been ported to Android

b) The Telco that you bought the phone through has removed access to the android store and have their own store with little in it

c) Some other problem?

I'm interested to learn more of some of the issues people are having.

Thanks,

John

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