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Italian hackers affiliated with hacktivist collective Anonymous pushed the Vatican's website offline last night. The hack was in "retribution" for the child abuse scandals in the Catholic Church and Vatican-endorsed acts going back thousands of years, the group claimed in a message. A Jesuit father confirmed to the The Catholic …

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Not bad....

but I think it could be a lot more fun to flash mod UK RC Churches this weekend. Make 'em think they've drawn a right crowd, and then totally disrupt proceedings. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/catholic-leader-issues-letter-warning-against-samesex-marriage-7541618.html

Well, if a Union Leader can call for Civil Disobedience, lets do it, just lets make it worth something!

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Re: Not bad....

I think we should all reverse flash mob some fruity libtards by all saying we're all on board to turn up somewhere and do some lame pointless shit, you know to make them think they've drawn a right crowd and then just not show up, because no one cares.

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Funny how a group pushing the vatican site offline are punished far worse than the catholic church for harbouring and protecting thousands of child rapists.

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Going to be punished that should read.

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evidence that there are thousands, who raped children? And is that thousands current active or over the last 2000 years... are we talking a few a year over the entire world, or thousands who are actively raping as we type?

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Stop

I accept that the OP may have exaggerated, but shirley any number > 0 is bad enough?

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Never when it is used

to justify prejudice, slander, libel, and the pogroms that result against anyone of a particular belief system.

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> 0?

Then shirley anonymous will next need to target, well, the entire world population?

Sadly, sickos are everywhere,

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Re: Never when it is used

It's not libel or slander. There are Catholic priests doing time for unlawful sex with minors the world over.

They should put their own house in order before telling people who they can and can't marry.

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I would suggest

That's it not the n > 0 which people find as morally reprehensible as the organised and systematic hiding of the perpetrators.

If the church had, at every opportunity, expelled and exposed those who they could prove - or that they felt needed external police forces to prove - were guilty of child abuse then I'm sure people would have (more) respect for them, regardless of their religious standpoint.

As it is I think I can hardly be alone in believing that the church (and, to be honest, religion in general) no longer has a place in the world.

ttfn

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Re: Never when it is used

There are also Irish people doing time for unlawful sex with minors.

Would you start using sterotypes about the entire country?

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JDX
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Re: Good

What a load of nonsense.

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Re: Good

The Catholic church is an international paedophile group in a similar way that Islam is an international terrorist group, and Judaism is an international hoarding-all-your-money group. Stereotypes based on the actions of a minority. Downvoted.

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Re: Good

Well, you could probably find evidence that, like any large corporation, the Vatican acted first to bury the paedophile problem so as not to reflect poorly on the institution. When that didn't work, they profusely apologised but admitted no wrongdoing. Now, they periodically state that they're addressing the issue, but offer no specifics, and quickly change the subject.

Paedophilia is bad enough (!), but an organization claiming to be literally "holier than thou", should be held (and should hold itself) to the highest standards. Sadly, this doesn't appear to have been the case.

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Nonsense in so far as they:

- Seem to have employed a lot of people who turn out to be kiddie fiddlers in multiple countries

- There has been systematic covering up and moving to other diocese of those caught indulging in kiddlie fiddling in multiple countries

- The church's repeated obfuscating of enquiries globally in multiple countries

etc.

That is not to say *every* employee of the catholic church is involved with or has covered up such acts, but the widespread proliferation of it and covering up of it in the organisation should be a concern to anyone.

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"Stereotypes based on the actions of a minority"

But defended by the majority, and in particular by the majority of senior members of the organisation. In law, the concept of "accessory to" means that it doesn't matter whether you did it yourself, whether you helped someone else to, or whether you just stood by and let it happen.

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"holier than thou" - a phrase we would never attach to Anonymous of course

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"It was the then cardinal Ratzinger (now pope Benedict) who, as head of the Inquisition, issued an edict that under no circumstances should any priest known to be fiddling with kids be exposed to the risk of prosecution."

Interesting - do you have a source for this? There are some people I'd like to show it to, but a quote in the Register comments probably won't pass muster.

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There is actually clear evidence that they protected convicted priests and even re-employed them to continue their offices in a different city.

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It's hardly disputed that accused priests were moved in an attempt to keep things quiet, but convicted priests? I imagine most of them ended up behind bars.

But the original claim was that "Ratzinger ... issued an edict that under no circumstances should any priest known to be fiddling with kids be exposed to the risk of prosecution." I see the post has been deleted by the poster, so I guess I won't be able to use that particular argument in future.

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Question about DOS attacks...

IS there a way to prevent them, or does the very nature of how they work mean that they never can't be blocked, since something has to receive all the requests in the first place and decide to block them?

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Lose effectiveness over time

A DDOS attack from N compromised machines can be maintained indefinitely. However, the effect will drop as the target blocks traffic from the compromised machines, and as those machines are rebooted/fixed.

To maintain an effective DDOS attack over any period of time requires a lot of work by the attacker, to compromise new machines to attack with.

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Re: Question about DOS attacks...

It is a very complex topic, however there is a report on the Imperva web site detailing how they blocked this attack. You may want to have a look at that.

It has been *a bit* more complicated that just using compromised machines to launch a blind DOS. The attack was sophisticate.

Hope it helps.

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But hey

It's fine to punish the millions of Catholics, and thousands of clergy who find such as abhorrent as anyone else, is it? Don't assume that the Catholic church is worse than other institutions for covering things up, Governments, Schools, Companies and clubs all try to cover-up misdeeds for the good of the organisation. Don't forget how many years there have been jokes about vicars and choirboys, Scouts and Public School boys.

You shouldn't assume that all Catholics think the same about liberal values either there many more Western Catholics who are quite happy with the idea of married priests, women priests, gay marriage and so on than don't, but the church has to carry it's entire congregation with it and that takes time, so why disrupt our Sunday worship.

BTW - The church does punish clergy who commit crimes, they send them into seclusion, which is actually worse than being sent to prison, regardless of any civil punishment.

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Re: But hey

"BTW - The church does punish clergy who commit crimes, they send them into seclusion, which is actually worse than being sent to prison".

I'd be surprised if the average kiddie-fiddle wouldn't rather find themself in "seclusion" (wherever that means in practice for cathilic chold molestors) than sharing a prison-cell with GBH-offender but-anti-child-bummer Dangerous Dave McFace-Slasher.

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Re: But hey

You can't be a Catholic if you don't agree that gay marriage, condom use, or anything else the church says is wrong. You can be a hypocrite who lends weight to those who do though.

Not beleiving in a religion you purport to follow is ludicrous. Try actually working out what you beleive then either do it in private or follow a religion you do actually beleive in.

Remember this is the most important decision in the world as it is your life and, if you veleive in such, your immortal soul we're talking about.

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@Cameron

Of course you can be Catholic and disagree with some of the current tenants of catholicism, if you couldn't disagree there would be no change ever, which there demonstrably has been.

I know about ten or so people who are practicing catholics and non have a problem with contraception (the reasoning being that if God wants a baby born, you can be pretty sure it will be, hormone pills or barriers aren't much of a barrier to the almighty.) most, not all, believe in marriage for gays, those who don't believe in marriage don't condemn homosexuality.

The current teaching of the catholic church is that condoms for gay men is fine. This has changed since the current pope came in.

On the other hand I know far more homophobic atheists who seem to think that "it's just fucking wrong, innit?"

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Re: But hey

If you do not believe that the pope represents god and he speaks for god then you're not Catholic. It's practically the definition of the faith -- if you disagree on homosexuals, women preists and condom jse then you're a bloody protestant.

Just because your parents took you to church every week, or you were baptised a Catholic or you go to church and confess does not mean you are a Catholic -- it's the belief which makes you Catholic and going to a church which preaches something, but not believing it, is hypocrisy.

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You are a hate filled individual.

The Church doesn't condone paedophilia in any way. It condemns it.

Get your facts straight.

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You can agree with any teachings of the Catholic Church that are not doctrinal.

Any teachings that you break you are supposed to confess before receiving communion. Using contraception is one of those.

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"You are a hate filled individual.

The Church doesn't condone paedophilia in any way. It condemns it.

Get your facts straight."

I see you say nothing about the church protecting paedophiles, can I assume you agree with that?

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Re: But hey

I also said nothing about which football team I support. Are you going to make an assumption on that as well?

The Church doesn't protect paedophiles. Individuals (yes, some in positions of some authority) have been involved in cover ups. I, along with all Catholics, condemn this.

The Irish government was complicit in the covering up of sex abuse in Ireland. For some reason the usual idiots on this topic don't think it appropriate to accuse the country of Ireland of being some sort of paedophile sanctuary.

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Random attacks

Makes me think that they aren't really targeting anyone - they just find vulnerable sites and then try to justify the attacks with moral superiority that they really don't deserve. Just a bunch of smug posers with delusions of heroism.

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Re: Random attacks

Hardly Random. They are not picking sites with flaws to point out security issues. You can throw a dart, hit any web site, and DDoS or find fault with it. They are targeting groups and so far its all been places I don't mind being given the shaft,

It may be random in what sites they attack for that particular group, but none the less they are focused on a certain subset.

I don't think they are being "smug posers with delusions of heroism". You have one group vying for "moral superiority" against another. I don't agree with the church, and I can't help but enjoy any bad press given to them.

It we didn't have moral causes, we wouldn't really need to politicians now would we.

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Vatican press office don't like El Reg either?

they're just copying Apple really, aren't they?

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Re: Vatican press office don't like El Reg either?

Oh dear. Copying Apple? That's gonna hurt in court....

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Re: Ah. The Vatican. A mysognist business that is a registered charity.

You do know that the term "concentration camp" was first used in relation to the British concentration camps in South Africa during the Boer War

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>You do know that the term "concentration camp" was first used in relation to the British

> concentration camps in South Africa during the Boer War

Very true, but I suspect that British concentration camps and those run by the Nazis are not comparable.

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Re: Ah. The Vatican. A mysognist business that is a registered charity.

@Paul Murphy

Go and look up what we (The British) did during the Boer war, it's shameful. The concentration camps weren't extermination camps, but they were utterly abhorrent.

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Re: Ah. The Vatican. A mysognist business that is a registered charity.

I did thanks (http://www.boer-war.com/Details2nd/Camps.html) and it confirms my position that the camps in the Boer war cannot be compared to the Nazi camps - if Hitler had a commission to investigate his camps their findings would almost certainly result in worse conditions for the inmates.

The reasons behind the Boer war camps were fundamentally different, the main area of failure was in the implementation.

Anyway - enough Godwinning.

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funny how the catholic church's stand on condoms appears to be more important that its endorsement of the nazi ideology in several european countries during ww2... anyway this is now turning into plain web hooliganism and has little to do with any kind of "hacktivism".

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@ JDX

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324270

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Wow - you managed to find a Microsoft Knowledge Base article that actually contains useful information. Props!

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POP3

Is a l33t hacker?

Mine's the purple one :)

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Now, time to attack the Government of Mongolia's website

This is for building a vast empire that reached from the Pacific to the Dnieper in the thirteenth century ! Bastards !

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