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Former British Prime Minister Anthony Charles Lynton Blair was RSA's pick to close out their annual security conference in San Francisco, and he took the opportunity to bash WikiLeaks as "disgraceful." Blair took time out from his busy official role of bringing peace to the Middle East to pad his pockets speak for an unspecified …

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What a fucking hypocrite!

"Individuals need to have private communications, he said, but at the same time there are people who threaten our way of life that have to be stopped. Politicians, however, need privacy to function, "

And there we have Blair, once again, in a nutshell: One rule for them, another for us.

The man who tried to give us DNA databases, ID Cards, ANPR and CCTV on every corner with facial recognition to track us everywhere we go and watch everything we do thinks that he and his cronies "need privacy to function" but *NOBODY* else does!

Hypocrite.

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AIR HEAD?

Why do people give this pri*ck air time. He's done enough damage without giving his opinion on something he knows nothing about.

Actually he does that all the time, he's supposed to ne the middle east peace envoy, a gallon of petrol in one hand, a lighter in the other.

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What is more the fucking dork didn't know how to use PGP and thus his email was exposed to the outside world. Prick. I wish that his Muslim attacker in a Palestinian mosque had succeeded, and I'll even take religion if he and his ilk are assassinated. It would have been appropriate had he been bagged up and sent to bin Laden as a present for Ede (sp?). Big Brother? More like dirty greasball.

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who's next on stage?

Jordan?

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Re: What a fucking hypocrite!

You, sir, makes me wish I could upvote this 1000 times.

That one quote is everything that's wrong with British politics in general and Blair's NuLabour in particular.

War is peace!

Freedom is slavery!

Ignorance is strength!

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Allow me to be the 34th like to the What a fucking hypocrite post. The damage that awful, vain little man has done to the fabric of this country is immeasurable IMHO.

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ARE YOU SURE that's

Not a wax work dummy with a tape recorder stuck up its ar*s?

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George Bush had his hand up his ars* you mean.

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Re: What a fucking hypocrite!

While I am no fan of Blair, and don't deny he's a hypocrite... I do agree that the idea of openness for politicians is not viable in many areas.

It's akin to the parent-child relationship... you have secrets from your kids about some things, but feel you are quite entitled to know their secrets even if it involves a bit of snooping. Before you rush to down-vote "snooping on your kids" imagine you are a parent who thinks their kid is on drugs or is self-harming and talking to them doesn't help... are you SO sure you wouldn't snopp in their room when they were out?

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Apples and Oranges?

Your kids don't vote for you, you don't 'represent' them.

A very very different relationship. I want to know what 'my' elected leaders are up to - and I should have that right.

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Makes the WikiLeaks rant all the more ironic. If ratfuck weasel bastards like Blair actually did their jobs instead of feathering their nests with and mismanaging our money; we wouldn't need WikiLeaks in the first place. Not totally surprising he's against it...I have no doubt that there's a few places Blair doesn't want spotlighting. What made it through via the papers was disgusting enough.

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JDX, you've got it backwards. They are our servants, not our masters. We aren't their "children". That sort of paternalistic nonsense is the reason this planet is such a political mess.

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Sir,

As the 49th thumbs up to your post, I wish to congratulate you on such a concise response to the article.

The very fact that blair can actually charge money for spouting such hypocritical bile, saddens me but re-assures me that my decision to leave the (dis) united kingdom was the right one.

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LIke the chap said, I wish I could upvote this 1000 times.

Bugger it, Register, I'd pay a tenner to be able to upvote this 1000 times.

He is a worthless shit, isn't he?

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In this particular case I'll be happy to be a number.

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Re: What a fucking hypocrite!

And if there were any single individual who best demonstrated why we *can't* sit back and trust our politicians, it's Blair. Someone who would lie in order to start a war, is pretty much as low as you can get.

Making Blair the Middle East Peace Envoy remains the sickest joke most people in the Middle East have ever heard. He should be tried for war crimes and one day I hope to see that.

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@JDX

Analogy fail - Politicians are not parents.

MPs are supposed to be our representatives to the Crown - that was the point of the House of Commoners back when it was invented - a way for the 'common people' to exercise some control over the monarch.

They are our delegates. Our underlings. Our servants.

The ones to whom we, the public, have delegated the (boring) task of carrying out the functions of Government in line with our collective will.

That is what a Parliamentary Democracy is, involves and requires.

Thus is it self-evident that they must have all their actions exposed to the public eye - because otherwise how do you know that they are doing their jobs?

(Although the definition of 'common people' wasn't quite what we'd recognise today.)

The idea that MPs are some kind of 'parent' is dangerous and must be erased - that way lies dictatorship.

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Strictly speaking...

...they are the country's servants and have reponsibilities that go way beyond keeping the people who happen to be alive at the moment happy.

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Politicians are meant to be our equals, not our betters. That's what representative democracy is all about. Obviously you're expressing some fetish and confusing that with opinion. Stay in nappies foras long as it pleases you, the rest of us will think and act as responsible adults.

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What, so politicians are like parents? What?

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When I first read that article and was pissed off enough to make that OP, I wasn't expecting over 100 upvotes! Thanks everyone.

(And one downvote, it seems, from the Vicar of St Albions...!)

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And also remember that this is the PM who's government rolled out Freedom of Information legislation which has been completely mis-appropriated by journalists (usually from the Daily Mail) to turn any non-story into a ripping.

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They may be our servants but we task them with the job of looking after us and that means we give them the decision making power. It's like if I hire a bodyguard or even a personal trainer - they get to TELL me what do do as part of their job. If I don't like how they do their job, I fire them, but telling them how to do their job will lead to reducing their effectiveness. Same with sending your kids to school... you pick the school and then let them get on with it.

All discussion about Blair in particular, our current government/MPs, and so on aside... I think it is ridiculous to suggest the running of the country should be fully public. This is real life, not some weird utopia where everyone is lovely to each other.

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>>Thus is it self-evident that they must have all their actions exposed to the public eye

So the police/special forces should tell us about all the undercover operations they're working on, potential threats, etc? I'd argue the answer to that is self-evident, and now suddenly we're on the slipperly slope where it's not black and white, and a line has to be drawn what should be divulged and what shouldn't.

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Yes, they must.

In the case of 'sensitive' undercover operation then not during, but shortly after.

Otherwise how can anybody possibly know whether they are appropriate?

You're basically saying that the police/special forces should be permitted to wander around murdering anyone they like, because they think it was justified.

So ALL must be divulged. The only grey area is when.

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Trollface

"Self-confessed tech know-nothing"

It shows.

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Gain some credence with the know-nothings.

... lose all credibility with the target audience.

Got to love the PR department.

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>Blair asserted that you needed "the wisdom of the oldies" to put the technology itself in context

I suppose that at 55 I'm still not old enough to realise that state censorship is a bad thing then. Can't wait to grow up.....

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Democracy at work

"there are people who threaten our way of life that have to be stopped"

Yes, and you were stopped. Sadly a clone of you got your job.

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@ Mahatma Coat

Brown, a clone of Blair? Really?

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Brown wasn't elected. I was referring to Cameron.

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Cameron is PM by virtue only of Lib Dem votes which were, in the main, votes against him....so you can't really claim him as an elected PM either.

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I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm saying it is what it is.

I wouldn't want to get into a discussion about the pros and cons of various electoral systems but Cameron became PM because that's the way the system currently works. Don't like it? Contact your MP and lobby him to change it. That's how the democratic process in the UK is supposed to work.

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I did.

Unfortunately the Sheeple voted against AV.

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>Cameron became PM because that's the way the system currently works. Don't like it?

In practice it makes little difference to me. I was simply pointing out that the current Government was formed, not elected. Describing Cameron as an elected PM implies he has a mandate.

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Blair wasn't elected either, except in his own constituency. The Labour Party was elected and, as leader of the Labour Party, Brown became PM as did Blair.

We vote for our local MP, nothing more. The party with the most seats can form a government. Of course Labour under Brown actually got more seats in the last General Election than the Tories did so if anybody wasn't elected, it's Cameron.

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"Unfortunately the Sheeple voted against AV."

Yes, shame no one made a convincing case to convince the sheeple.

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"Unfortunately the Sheeple voted against AV."

Or perhaps those who voted against AV are the smart ones, that can see how corrupt all the governments are in the rest of Europe. YES, EVEN MORE THAN OURS!

A perfect/worst case example: Silvio Berlusconi, kept in power by a corrupt "AV" voting system where you have absolutely no say in who actually gets elected at all, you just get to choose the proportion of MP's taken from each party.

Only the brain dead hypocrites of the liberals could think a system where; those who vote for iffy/unpopular candidates should get second, third,... vote when their first choice get eliminated, yet those who vote for the most popular candidate only ever get one!

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Ironic that its only the Liberals who are still bleating, dispite 79% of the populous (or at least those who gave a damn) being agaist AV.

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"A perfect/worst case example: Silvio Berlusconi, kept in power by a corrupt "AV" voting system where you have absolutely no say in who actually gets elected at all, you just get to choose the proportion of MP's taken from each party."

Italy uses a kind of PR, it's not even vaguely related to AV. (And Party-list representation is generally considered a rather poor form of PR.)

AV is "I want candidate A. If I can't have A, then I want B.".

This is trivial to understand by anyone who's ever asked someone to pop to the local shop to get some biscuits.

"I'd like chocolate hobnobs, if they don't have any then ginger nuts are fine."

AV allows you to vote for the one you want, and to say which alternative you can live with.

FPTP forces you to vote 'tactically' - you cannot vote for the one you want, you have to vote against the one you hate.

Unfortunately both Labour and the Conservatives knew damn well that AV would damage their future prospects so launched a massive FUD campaign against AV.

Did you notice that the entire against argument was "AV costs too much", "You're too thick to understand AV", "It might cause hung Parliaments"?

No reasoning. In fact nobody ever gave a single indication as to why AV would be a worse way to choose your MP than FPTP.

- Incidentally, the reason FPTP reduces the chance of Hung Parliaments is because it results in a two-party system for each candidacy.

Look at your local polls - there will only be two parties that stand a chance in your constituency. Mine happens to be Labour/Conservative, like most. Sheffield Hallam (Clegg's) is Liberal Democrat/Conservative.

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And more of the usual nonsense from the pro-AV crowd.

"....No reasoning. In fact nobody ever gave a single indication as to why AV would be a worse way to choose your MP than FPTP....." You all keep on going on about how the anti-AV arguments were so weak or non-existant, yet you lost so badly. Gee, I wonder if it was because the pro-AV arguments just didn't resonate with all those voters that turned out to vote "no thanks".

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Anthony Charles Lynton Blair

Can anyone read that without hearing it in the voice form the begining of Porridge ?

You are a habitual criminal .....

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Class

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If only we could hear those words, in court, in real life.

I have a dream.........

( spawn of satan 'cuse that's what he is)

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<quote>Can anyone read that without hearing it in the voice form the begining of Porridge ?

You are a habitual criminal .....</quote>

should read:

You are a habitual war criminal

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How come he's still free? I thought that people who lied to start wars would be war criminals and that there would be some repercussions? Or do you get some sort of fucking absolution for a terrorist creation program? I'm not quite sayin' that him & Bush should have been next to Hussein on YouTube...but in terms of human misery they aren't far behind.

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The same fate as Mussolini would be apt, and let us not forget all of the other scumbags in his party who took us over the edge of the cliff that was Iraq; let us not forget Blair's/Roche's/Straw's clandestine immigration policy which was revealed in 2009 after years of denial and calling those who protested 'racist', and the court case against Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch, inspired by these doublespeak liars. These people were responsible for the renaissance of extreme right wing politics in the UK and yet they blamed those who deserted them for their anti working class attitudes, calling them 'racist'. These were acts of unspeakable folly, acts which fostered the extreme right wing, placing a country with housing, food, energy, water and phosphate (read fertilizer) shortages in even greater jeopardy. Because these people played population genetics (something not done I believe since Stalin) in order to "spite the right" without thinking of or referring to their electoral employers we face the prospect of having the largest population of any country in the EU. Then there are the massive debts left by their adventurist policies abroad, the wasted money in the form of white elephant projects (IT and other) and their deliberate folly of selling 60% of treasury reserve gold when the price was at a 20 year low; these people practised waste with the sort of alacrity I have seldom seen outside of religion. Then there were deliberate manipulations of statistics which led (e.g.) Sir Michael Scholar of the UK statistics authority to chastise Harman for misrepresenting the statistics to suit her ideology.

These things among others are ToniBler's legacy (he having the dubious distinction of having taken this country to war more times than any PM in our history), and that of his wastrel friends, and I sincerely hope that we are able to bring them to justice for their offences, against international law and within the bounds of this country, in the Hague and in our national courts.

If their repeal of the treason act can be shown, in the light of subsequent acts, to have been a deliberate and calculated way of avoiding the consequences of treason, then you may well have your hearts' desire; whilst retrospective legislation is in principle not possible, retrospective restoration of legislation overturned deliberately to facilitate crimes would appear to be eminently possible. If you and others lobby your MP who knows, perhaps pigs will fly, perhaps you will see TonBler et al. prosecuted, convicted and awarded the ultimate punishment for his misdeeds against the Iraqi people and the people of this country.

It embarrasses me to say that I am willing to let my principled stand against capital punishment slide in the case of Blair, and would happily do the deed myself as long as I am given 2 x 9mm parabellum rounds and a Browning 9mm; one round as a warmer into the bank, the other round in between the eyes, no less than 10 seconds later. He has to have time to pray to his 'God'.

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Re: you might not be saying it...

That's us on the watch list then. I recommend not buying rope and stepladders with a credit card for the next few weeks.

Also: "Individuals need to have private communications, he said, but at the same time there are people who threaten our way of life that have to be stopped. Politicians."

There. Fixed it.

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