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Apple has switched off push notifications in Germany, responding to Motorola Mobility's successful patent lawsuit, so iCloud users in Germany will have to learn to pull together. The outage also affects MobileMe, but anyone using ActiveSync or other push mechanisms will be fine as the companies behind those aren't being sued by …

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Anonymous Coward

Hasn't the telephone system been a push notification system since... 1876?The network notifies the receiver by ringing their bell?

Or maybe Telex (1930) if you want to go for text messages.

Stupid.

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Real Karma is when bullies get bullied back, but harder

Didn't moses come down from the mountain holding tablets with round corners? Never mind real innovation such as wireless push, THATS what I call stupid and oh dear, the bully is getting back 10x more than what they started, what a shame.

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RE: Hasn't the telephone system been a push notification system since... 1876?

Not sure if you really just don't understand push messaging technology vs pull, but seeing as I've had to explain the difference to more than one person this week I suppose it's best to go with the "he really is that thick" option.

With phone handsets, with a push messaging system the service provider sends a message to each handset (usually over IP) and there is no data charge to the handset user. A push message only gets sent when there is an actual message (e.g., a Facebook wall update) ready to go. With a pull technology, besides the hassle for each end user of setting up the pull relationship, each handset polls the service provider at a regular period, and there is an associated data charge. If the polling is set to a high occurence (as was normal with early Winphones checking back to Exchange servers), then the data chunk of your tariff gets eaten away surprisingly quickly. Regardless of whether there is actually a message ready to be collected, your phone still has to go poll to check, hence increasing network traffic as well.

Blackberry was such a massive success for business users because it was a push technology when most phone handsets had polling solutions. This case (temporarily) returns German iBone users to the tech equivalent of the stoneage.

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Re: RE: Hasn't the telephone system been a push notification system since... 1876?

@ Matt Bryant:

What does the original poster say that made you think they don't understand 'push' vs 'pull'? The poster is saying that a telephone sits there idly, as does a telex machine, until the network contacts it to make it ring or receive a message. Or are you suggesting that a standard old phone is constantly polling the exchange to see if there's a call coming through?

Admittedly it's a very different technology, but I think the comment was meant to be at least partly in jest.

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Re: Re: RE: Hasn't the telephone system been a push notification system since... 1876?

"....Or are you suggesting that a standard old phone is constantly polling the exchange...." Let's see, what is that funny cabley thing coming out of the back of a "desktop" phone? Oh, it's a cable! Permeanently linking the handset to the exchange, which means the exchange alwasy has a one-to-one relationship with the phone and sends an electronic signal whenever it has an incoming call for the phone to answer. If you bothered to read you might know there are some nice standards about that little signal that gets sent down the line from the exchange.

".....Admittedly it's a very different technology...." Yes, isn't it. Bit like a poster with a clue compared to you.

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@ Matt Bryant

Matt, grow up and stop already with the playground insults. Nothing the original posters had said justifies your immature and insulting responses; "Really is that thick"? "Bothered to read"? "Like a poster with a clue compared to you"?

Dude, seriously - it's gonna be hell when you go through puberty.

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Re: Re: Re: RE: Hasn't the telephone system been a push notification system since... 1876?

Matt, I assume you're trying to give the impression of being a hugely intelligent/well-educated expert with no more patience left for an objectively stupid person, but to be honest you're just coming over as petulant.

Is the snarky tone really necessary, given that no-one's said anything even remotely insulting, or even that stupid?

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Re: RE: Hasn't the telephone system been a push notification system since... 1876?

For your push to work you would need a constant data connection like the bit of wire coming out of the POTS. Do people with ordinary telephones have to keep contacting the exchange to see if someone is ringing them? I think not.

The old fashioned phone sits there, and a +/- 50V signal from the exchange makes the phones bell ring, the user picks up the phone activating the current loop.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Hasn't the telephone system been a push notification system since... 1876?

".....I assume you're trying to give the impression..." Well, the first part of assume is ass, and that's exactly the impression you give. I don't really care what impression I give you lot of fanbois, impressing a load of fashion victims doesn't appear on my list of things to accomplish. I just have a hard time dealling with your blinkered ignorance. Trying to compare the cabled phone system to push mobile technologies, in the hope of implying this had no impact on Apple users, was simply stupid.

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Re: @ Matt Bryant

"....Nothing the original posters had said justifies your immature and insulting responses..." Oh puh-lease, will all you fanbois get a life! The minute one of you gets a slapping you all get shirty. The comparrison made by the original AC was patently stupid, and then he ends it by implying that anyone that thought it was a setback for Apple users was "stupid", hence the slapdown. What, do they remove all objectivity at the till in Apple stores?

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An eye for an eye until the whole world is blind.

...and in the end we'll all have gimped, incompatible, and unnecessarily expensive devices.

<s> Hooray for the patent system! </s>

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Re: An eye for an eye until the whole world is blind.

Yes, but do you just sit there after having one eye poked out and wait for the aggressor to blind you fully, or do you fight back?

While I agree that it will all end in tears, Apple has left its competitors with little choice but to join in with the corporate eye gouging war.

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Re: Re: An eye for an eye until the whole world is blind.

A thought occurs...can you still cry with both eyes gouged out?

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Re: Re: An eye for an eye until the whole world is blind.

Wasn't intending for my post to come across as pro-Apple... FWIW I completely agree with your take on the matter. Apple started this fight by suing world + dog, so it's good to see the bully get slapped back.

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Re: Re: Re: An eye for an eye until the whole world is blind.

"Apple started this fight by suing world + dog"

I'm sorry, but I own the patent on this particular troll - please stop using it at once.

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can you still cry with both eyes gouged out?

"...can you still cry with both eyes gouged out?"

Yes, as the lachrymal glands are in the eyelids and eye socket, not the eyeball.

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Re: can you still cry with both eyes gouged out?

"Yes, "

Unless you're Klingon.

(Yes, I know and understand the reference but it's Friday and it's beer o'clock and I'm unemployed - give a man a break!)

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Re: Re: can you still cry with both eyes gouged out?

Don't worry, I was five seconds away from making the same joke.

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Re: Re: Re: An eye for an eye until the whole world is blind.

No. Hate on Apple all you want, but lets keep to the facts; Nokia started this. http://www.businessinsider.com/nokia-sues-apple-over-iphone-patent-infringement-2009-10

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Re: Re: Re: Re: An eye for an eye until the whole world is blind.

Regarding mccp's post - have some of the forums users lost their sense of humour? I really despair at the effort some people make to downvote people's humour or even legitimate comments. Get a sense of balance you vote-tards.

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You said please

Patent trolls /never/ say please. The like words like Cease! and Desist!

Thank you.

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Re: You said please

I am sure with eyes gouged out at a certain angle the wind would make thos sockets whistle in the wind!

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Re: An eye for an eye until the whole world is blind.

Having found their mugging victim distressingly well armed, maybe Apple can now approach the interaction with mutual respect and decency.

Or, you know, what you said.

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How to get a patent on something

1. Look for obvious functionality that you do with a desktop computer.

2. Change form factor from desktop to fondleslap. Patent it.

3. Change form factor to mobile phone. Patent it.

4. Change connection type from LAN to WLAN. Repeat steps 2 and 3.

5. Watch and wait.

6. Sue the competition for an obscene amount of money or make the competition remove features from their products.

7. Customers eventually tire of buying bling. There's a recession on and who gives a damn when the product specification changes monthly.

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Agreed!

Is there any function too simple to patent?

How 'bout somebody patent a fucking power switch?

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Re: Agreed!

They did. Trouble is, THAT one already expired, IIRC, so it's fair game.

Things that are TOO obvious are either unpatentable or were patented so long ago that they no longer apply.

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Re: How to get a patent on something

Actually - if you have posted this on a mobile phone or a fondleslab then you are breaking my patents for:

1. Using Upvote and Downvote on a mobile/fondleslab.

2. Using a forum on a mobile/fondleslab.

I assume the cheque is in the post. Otherwise expect the lawyers...

P.S. I have applied these patents to LTE networks for future extortion.

--------> Slide to Whinge -------> (Patent pending)

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Re: Agreed!

Actually - if you look at one of the other Apple patents reported on el-reg recently, this is for a keyboard mechanism that looks suspiciously like an oldfashioned switch (of the type used for telegraphs in old western movies). Granted it is unique in that it allows the part that comes in contact with the finger to be made from different materials such as polished meteorite etc. So it is definitely worth the patent

So in answer to your question - a switch is not too simple - sadly.

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Apple just needs to bend over a take it for 1/2 hour from Motorola! Let them shaft each other and sort it out.

You are making yourselves look STUPID! (not that that is difficult for Apple, just look at the 'leapfrog' inspired iOS)

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I see you moved on from your usual golden showers-related comments to anal sex.

It was getting repetitive.

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brown love.

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IMAP IDLE

..is that really patented by Motorola?

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Re: IMAP IDLE

I was just thinking the same thing - IMAP IDLE is as old as the hills and is, of course, essentially what we're talking about, though "push messaging" (probably in some "cloud" somewhere) seems to be the all-new "web 2.0" buzz word for it.

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Starting to think maybe Apple should give up suing everyone, as all that happens is that they piss people off and they look through their patents and shaft them even harder.

Wonder how much this is costing then?

I know they have loads of cash to burn as they don't pay dividends to their shareholders but still only so much you can piss up the wall before there is a shareholder revolt.

I vowed never to buy a Apple product while Mr Jobs was in charge as I think he didn't care about the customer just shifting product, don't think I will be changing my mind anytime soon with current management in place!

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Weirdos

You lot are weird.

Where is the evidence that Apple started the sueing game? I think you need to ask your parents about how it was before you were born, say, two years ago.

And why the spite against a successful company that makes good, attractive hardware and software that real people like, even enjoy?

You could do better? Excellent. I await your products keenly. Otherwise, please go back to your kindergartens and play with each other there.

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Re: Weirdos

My...my...my...aren't we the testy one today.

It's Friday...have a long relaxing weekend away from the computer...then come back here Monday, and re-think what you have posted.

It REALLY is OK to criticize Apple you know. Steve is dead now, and can not harm you any longer...unless he left "an app for that" before he checked out.

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Re: Weirdos

"And why the spite against a successful company that makes good, attractive hardware and software that real people like, even enjoy?"

Or worship? I mean, who doesn't say a quick prayer or two to Lord Jobs in the morning, before work? It's just a personal belief, and I'm entitled to it. Who are you to say that Apple didn't invent the wheel? Were you there? Can you prove it, or is this just another "theory"?

The ones to watch out for are the non-believers, these angry atheists. They'll distort history with lies, tell you that Apple are a litigious bunch of shitheads that gained a position through slick marketing and are now attempting to hold onto it with lawyers rather than innovation. I mean, we all know that Android is an evil communist plot. I've read the holy letters of Saint Steve, and it's right there in black and white. He said it, I believe it, that's an end of it.

</creationist_parody> (For thickos.)

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Re: Re: Weirdos

Greg, you REALLY should've hit the "Post anonymously" checkbox before posting that. Remember all the furor over people posting stuff from Dianetics a few years back? Do you want to mysteriously disappear? Don't answer the door!

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Re: Re: Weirdos

"...attempting to hold onto it with lawyers rather than innovation..."

How can they innovate when everything possible has been patented?

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Re: Weirdos

Oh How I laughed...

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1984

... we will soon require a license just to think, in case someone already had an idea that might occur to us ...

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Really can't believe

That ANY website that wants to be taken serious is still citing "Patent court lurker Florian Mueller"...

It's well documented that he is on the Microsoft and Apple payroll against Android...

http://paidcontent.org/article/419-is-patent-expertblogger-florian-mueller-getting-too-cozy-with-microsoft/

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@2 Weirdos

I'm not sure how many years ago you left your kindergarten but Apple have been an extremely litigious company for a great many years. I seem to remember them being fairly open and friendly about the Apple II, but come the Apple III they wanted it all their own way.

That's before we get into their history of suing companies with the word anywhere in their name even when they'd been in business for years longer than there has been a computer industry.

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Re: @2 Weirdos

Moto has been around a lot longer than Apple, and you might do well to do some research on Moto's pattern of actions in this area.

just saying ...

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I'm trying to summon up some sympathy for Apple, but every time I do I end up howling with laughter.

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Giant douche or turd sandwich

That is all

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So now it's called ...

... a circle pull?

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I recall the '1984' advert for the Apple Mac, and how it was supposed to liberate us all from 'dictatorships' (ie IBM).

But what has Apple turned into if not a dictatorship.

Arsewits.

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Well, it wasn't Motorola who started this in the first place and it's about time that all the unreflected iCrowd finally catch some collateral damage. Hope some of them realize what a hell of a mess their iGods pulled off with their feud against anything that even remotely looks like an iPhone.

When will we finally get to the point when manufacturers realize that their patent wars are just hurting themselves and the whole system first deadlocks itself and the collapses for the greater good of innovation?

Only then, German courts can be busy dealing with real crime again and not be bothered with this quarreling kids nonsense.

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