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Canadian politicians are scurrying for cover after a public outcry over a proposed bill that would force internet service providers to monitor users and hand over their details to the police without a warrant. The Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act, formerly called the Lawful Access Act, would require ISPs to …

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Childcatcher

"No legal guns allowed" OUT, "Big Brother loves the Children" IN?

Profit from the gutted gun registration bill to impress politicians who are into control freakery behind a "protect the children" moral scare.

It's all good and fits my inner libertarian.

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Anonymous Coward

POLITICIANS....

want power, information is power, access to information without safeguards is power,snooping on people is power, no accountability is power.

If you disagree they attack you with spurious claim, YOU must be a racist, YOU must be a pedophile, YOU must be a criminal, YOU are....etc etc.

They do that so you say nothing.

Not anymore!

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Re: POLITICIANS....

"If you disagree they attack you with spurious claim" Indeed, it is standard tactics amongst various types of low-lives (lawyers, politicians etc) but I have to say that this guy reached a new low.

"......can either stand with us or with the child pornographers."

My instinctive reaction was you noxious unscrupulous lying turd and I am pleased to see that quite a large number of Canadians reacted to his remarks in pretty much the same spirit.

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Re: POLITICIANS....

"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people." - Adolf Hitler

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If this is what passes for "conservative" elsewhere in the world, I can see why you guys hate them so much.

Freaking idiot.

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Toews sounds like a real piece of work, even for "conservatives".

Check the Toews Twitter leak. Looks like he's been preaching about the sacrament of heterosexual marriage one day, cheating on his wife the next, and then fathering a baby with his mistress some time later. Even Rick Santorum hasn't gone that far as far as I know.

This is the first time I've heard of the guy. First look at him and I thought it was the evil twin of Jack Layton, separated at birth. Also reminds me of Paul Newman out of "Road to Perdition".

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WTF?

Im a pedofile and a child molester....

I believe in privacy rights!

do I now get to be part of the special wing in prison?

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Re: Toews sounds like a real piece of work, even for "conservatives".

Jack Layton, misguided as he was, was a nice guy. Vic Toews is the guy that ran off with the babysitter and cut off his wife's support. This happened a couple of years ago and the local papers have ignored it, even during an election where Mr Toews was reelected in a very Conservative riding. Go figure.

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"Even Rick Santorum hasn't gone that far"

No, but I'd say that Newt Gingrich has. He's been married three times, and cheated on I think it was his first wife while she was suffering from a terminal illness.

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Re: Im a pedofile and a child molester....

"do I now get to be part of the special wing in prison?"

Yes. The wing where Big "Momma" Jim will teach you all about molestation and abuse.

But here you get to be part of a troll box...

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"hiding behind the abuse of children to justify a bill that is massively unpopular"

In other words, child-abuse by proxy in the name of political expedience.

That should be a crime in its own right.

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Re: "hiding behind the abuse of children to justify a bill that is massively unpopular"

Maybe they've eventually heard about wikipedia's Erik Möller:

http://mashable.com/2008/05/08/erik-moeller-pedophilia/

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Re: "hiding behind the abuse of children to justify a bill that is massively unpopular"

Wow, it's too bad those two fuckwits pushing SOPA through congress didn't think of this.

"But your honour, we have to protect our sweet and innocent children from the EVIL PREDATORY youtube video uploaders!!!!"

"Bill passed."

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Re: Re: "hiding behind the abuse of children to justify a bill that is massively unpopular"

Thomas 4: "Wow, it's too bad those two fuckwits pushing SOPA through congress didn't think of this"

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They already did.

It's called "H.R. 1981: Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011" and it's sponsored by Lamar Smith (the same guy behind SOPA).

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1981

SOPA is on its way back even as we speak.

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Re: Re: Re: "hiding behind the abuse of children to justify a bill that is massively unpopular"

When I were a lad, conservatives wrapped themselves in the flag ("attack me, attack the flag"). It seems they wrap themselves in nappies nowadays. Clean ones, I hope.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: "hiding behind the abuse of children to justify a bill that is massively unpopular"

"It seems they wrap themselves in nappies nowadays. Clean ones, I hope."

Well, they were clean when they put them on ...

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Unhappy

East Germany reborn

Half the population spying on the rest of the population.

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Anonymous Coward

Throwing the baby out with the bath water.

To think my grandfather went to war and placed his life on the line to fight against this kind of stupidity. With the living memory of those who fought on the beaches of Normandy, the hills of Italy and the jungles of the Pacific theatre fading, this kind of evil once again begins to fill the minds of men.

Our freedoms were hard-won, paid for in blood by men & women who left their children fatherless or motherless in an effort to stop the growth these kinds of ideals. Sacrificing freedom for the false safety of a police-state is a lesson to be learned from history. A mistake to be avoided.

My appologies to Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

First they came for the hackers,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a hacker

Then they came for the entertainment media pirates,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a pirates.

Then they came for the perverts,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a pervert.

Then they came for me

and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Anonymous, because this kind of government shenanigans scares the bejeepers out of me.

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Professional politicians ...

Never go to war, they send others to do it for them do not fight for rights, do not put their heads above the parapet,

UNLESS IT IS IN THEIR OWN INTEREST, SELF INTEREST THE DO NOTHING.

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Should have called the gun control law "Protecting children from gun weilding child abusers", I think I have a new theme for policy names... "Protecting children from child abusing reporters!" "Protecting children from child abusing copy right theives!" "Protecting children from child abusing immigrants!"

Say you're protecting children from something child abusers sounds like a pretty solid strategy, I mean, nobodies gonna protect a child abuser!

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I'm not an expert on this

but I am a parent who detests child abusers, HOWEVER I know that such types are in the kids' close circle not on the internet (mainly), in fact often their own family

which is why building high fences around UK schools is disgusting a Daily Mail-ism strategy and I HATE it, I don't want my kids to be taught in a concentration camp (I cried 3 years ago when I drove past my 1st very safe & lovely school which had 8 foot high fences grrrr)

any _real_ paedos on the net well know how to hide from this sort technical bullshit FFS

most Local Authorities and schools (courtesy of the parasites at the LEAs) use content filtering and I guess everyone on here knows that is 1990s "security" bollox

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@AC 21:01 - Gun Control Law

That one is /not/ a Gun Control Law, but a "long-gun" (rifle and shotgun) registration law. It's not particularly onerous; our hand-gun laws are far worse. I wasn't at all uncomfortable registering my old Lee-Enfield.

What was wrong with the long-gun registry was the political theatre that got wrapped around it; it was presented as protecting Good City Folks (particularly from Ontario) from crazed Hunters and Farmers (particularly from Oilberta), and oddly enough rural folk didn't much care to be stigmatised.

The Conservatives used the evil registry to crank up their base in the election and haven't had the courage to ditch the rhetoric.

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Actually,

I'm all up for the "Protecting Children from the Molycoddling Moronic Politicians" bill personallym however, i dont see that happening.

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WTF?

sigh

Once the tools of tryany are in place, its a case of when, not if, they are abused.

Is there any evidence that Canadian Cops are having trouble busting pedo-rings?

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Re: sigh

"Is there any evidence that Canadian Cops are having trouble busting pedo-rings?"

My keyboard !!!

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LOL! @ Richard Wharram

I re-read after seeing your comment and now YOU owe me a keyboard!

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Joke

Excuse me, but I hold the patent for appending "protecting children from pedophiles" to new legislation. The Canadian government must cease unlicensed usage of this phrase forthwith.

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Big Brother

Dear Mr Canuck

Unfortunately, when we weote all the patent, copyright and trademark rules we made sure that politicians had an opt-out to anything as onerous as the laws that the rest of you little people live by, so alas, you do not have a claim.

We do however hope you enjoy the free GPS Tracking system. and internet and phone tracing system we have installed for daring to question our motives.

Have a nice day!

A. M. Politician.

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Anonymous Coward

Thanks El Reg!!

I recently requested El Reg to publish something about this issue because I think it needs to be broadcasted as much as we can. We, Canadians, are not happy about this bill and will try our best to keep our side of the internet free. To tell that every one that doesn't agree with this 1984 maneuver is a pedo is outrageous!

Thanks again guys!

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Big Brother

The ISPs need to-

disconnect the Govt- surely they have the 'right to refuse service' like any shopkeep etc?

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Our Canadian government tells us that this new law would keep pace with others already passed in the U. S., (no surprise there), the U. K., and Australia. But considering that our government routinely tells us things that are not true I wonder if readers from those countries would comment on its veracity? Note that the proposed law would allow an individual police officer to instruct an ISP to retain user's identification data for retrieval later upon submission of a warrant. In fact any public servant or agent of the government could make such a demand on any or every ISP in Canada. The focus of this law on "protecting children" begins and ends with its title.

Curious, too, is that mere days after this law was introduced in Parliament fourteen Vancouver police officers were accused by an internal investigation of "viewing pornography and other inappropriate and offensive images while at work." Who is watching the police, I wonder?

We're as mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore!

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"Our Canadian government tells us that this new law would keep pace with others already passed in the U. S., (no surprise there), the U. K., and Australia." Lies, all lies. Our government tries to introduce such laws claiming they are just keeping up with laws passed in Canada the US and the UK. They haven't been passed yet and are on the backburner due to the rather precarious state of the current government. A feather, let alone an unpopular law, could see the government fall over like a, well...badly balanced government.

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This type of activity is classed as a form of wire-tapping and is therefore illegal here in the UK (the BT Phorm scandal is a good example) also a court rulings made against the Belgian social network 'Netlog' requiring them to monitor uploads has been thrown out by the European Court of Justice which would pretty much rule out any such activity Europe wide.

So if your government is saying similar laws apply here they are definitely lying to you.

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Re: lies

As my mother used to say, "If everyone was jumping off of a cliff would you do it too"? We must think for ourselves.

On the topic of the gun-registry, the problem is that criminals don't register their guns. For God's sake they're criminals, they don't follow the law. Look to history for the real uses to which gun-registrys have been put.

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The Long Gun Registry was never meant to control criminal's guns. It's not surprising that it didn't help.

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data retention directive

The UK gov didn't need to be asked to implement the EU data retention directive, it was falling over itself to do it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_data_retention

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Re: Re: lies

"If everyone was jumping off of a cliff would you do it too"?

Probably. I wouldn't want to be billy no mates stood at the top of the cliff by myself :(

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Big Brother

Fixed it for you!!!

"Our Canadian government tells us that this new law would keep pace with others already passed in the North Korea, Syria and Tukmansten".

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Conservatives

Who's the party of Big Brother Government now?

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@AC 23:24

" In fact any public servant or agent of the government could make such a demand on any or every ISP in Canada."

ANY public servant or agent of government? Seriously? So if you annoy the temp on the front desk at the town hall, who is clearly working on behalf of govt, then he can check on your details?

How stupid would a politico have to be to suggest that? I know over in the UK we have our fair share of stupid politicians (correction, more than our fair share recently), but this is a special kind of silly.

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Re: @AC 23:24

According to the provisions of this proposed law anyone in a position of authority with government credentials, including the Department of Competition, can demand basic information from ISP's about anybody as long as it relates to "an act of Parliament" without a warrant. It's not just about police and child pornography. It's about tracking everyone until we figure out what they're guilty of. I smell a "Canadian Spring" coming on.

I already know that my IP address is being tracked just by sending this comment. I hope the government builds those new jails soon so I'll have a place to sleep after I'm convicted of subversion.

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Spreading like wildfire

Wow, similar bills are springing up everywhere. The EU, the US, the state of Hawaii and now Canada. It's almost like Government's have been negotiating / coordinating in secret without any transparency, but of course that would never happen....

Back to the standard argument of 'only people who have something to hide, want privacy', thanks Google CEO for that one.

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Toews talks about child pr0n just a bit too often...

Makes me wonder.

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Re: Toews talks about child pr0n just a bit too often...

He couldn't figure out how to proxy.

Neither could any paedo this law actually catches.

I'm betting it'll be used to appease the RIAA/MPAA, ironically letting them victimize a bunch of innocent children with massive fines for downloading a song.

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Childcatcher

AC@02:00

You have to wonder about these sheet sniffers.

Think of the children. Indeed he never seems to stop thinking of them.

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Pint

What's so difficult about getting a warrant?

Amend the rules (if not already in place) to allow emergency warrants-by-telephone when urgently required. Give iPhones to the local judges (real judges). Install a telephone call recording system. Give the Sgt. a list of the judges' phone numbers. Follow up with a simple e-form warrant. Job's done. Nothing else is required. A proper warrant process as above takes no more than about three extra minutes... ...while protecting fundamental rights. Gee, Duh!?!?

This type of bill is obviously to enable something else.

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Headmaster

Pedophile?

What do foot lovers have do with all this? It seems to be about paedophiles.

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Re: Pedophile?

Is this mixing the Greek with the Latin?

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