Russian scientists have drilled through to a 20-million-year-old lake under Antarctica, which, depending on who you listen to, could harbour alien life forms, prehistoric microbes or Hitler's secret hideout. An artist's cross-section of Lake Vostok An artist's cross-section of Lake Vostok. Credit: US National Science Foundation …
Re "carefully decontaminated using radiation. There is no need to worry,”
I for one, welcome our new million year old mutated glow in the dark overlords.
"“According to our research, the quantity of oxygen there exceeds that on other parts of our planet by 10 to 20 times. Any lifeforms that we find are likely to be unique on Earth,”
Lifeforms that will presumably be killed then when the oxygen levels drop by 20 times as we punch a hole through their roof.
What does that even mean?
The word used is "quantity", explicitly not "proportion". Does it mean that there is ten times as many megatonnes of oxygen down there as everywhere else on the planet? That's absurd, so I assume the spokesbeing intended to say "proportion of oxygen there...". Then we have to understand what *that* might mean. Is it just that, due to the low temperature and high pressure, we expect dissolved oxygen levels (mg per litre) to be up to twenty times higher?
For many lifeforms, humans included, high levels of oxygen are harmful. It doesn't seem to me that lots of oxygen would contribute to biodiversity.
I might not be the first one to say this, but
finding dangerous creatures hidden in an icy lake, then applying radiation to them? So now we have mutated radioactive dangerous ice creatures? I'm not convinced these people have really thought this through.
A bit like...
Fighting zombies with fire, then realising that all you have achieved is that you are now fighting zombies that are on fire.
I for one...
...welcome our Nazi prehistoric zombie-making virus overlords.
Using freon instead of kerosene , well thats ok then
It could easily poison some organisms in there. Still, knowing russians they'll fuck it up somehow and pollute the water with freon and kerosene. I doubt they much care whats in the lake, they just want to be able to boast that they did it first, wave their flag and get a pat on the back from Dictator Putin.
... and if the Yanks had done it they'd have cut corners left, right and centre and fucked it up with a totally cavalier attitude until they've thrown enough resources to get a diver down there and see how it can be exploited (plant their own flag and get a pat on the back).
The Brits of course haven't managed it, we probably debated it and complained about the weather a lot (brrr, it's a bit parky out) but once everyone else has managed huge amount of exploration in these remote sub-glacial lakes we'll probably send down a dustbin with some old PCB on-board which we'll promptly manage to lose.
Have with finished with the national stereotyping yet?
"Have with finished with the national stereotyping yet?"
And of course the French will be very insulted by all of this, but do nothing about it. Except stare prissily through the smoke of their Galoise.
brrr it's a bit parky out?
... we Brits have traditionally come a-cropper in extreme environments by being a bit blasé about the weather.... for example Mallory strolling up Everest in tweeds.
"Have with finished with the national stereotyping yet?"
Yes, god forbid anyone should stereotype. After all , the russians have such an amazing record of enviromental stewardship don't they. Who wouldn't trust them to look after a pristine wilderness?
How do you know? This might be exactly what Russians think of both the Americans and British. BTW, was it the Russians to pollute the Great Lakes of North America? You still can't take a swim in the Lake Erie. And the Russians certainly killed off most of the Wild life in Western Europe during the cold war (another well known Putin's decree.)
Killed off most of the wildlife in Western Europe?
Hmm. [citation required] I think. Here in England I've still got spiders in my garden shed, and hedgehogs and blackbirds in the garden. I regularly see wildfowl, and ants, and butterflies, not to mention large swathes of forest and non-cultivated grassland. Maybe they just *told* Mr Putin that they'd destroyed Western Europe's wildlife. Alas, and fatally for your theory, Vladimir Putin did not become Russian premier until 1999, a long time after the end of the Cold War.
You can swim in Lake Erie
The tourist agencies in New York, PA and Ohio even encourage it!
Since we're stereotyping I'm gonna chip in too...
To be honest it wouldn't surprise me if the US would plant several explosives and eventually blow the entire thing open, beats the time of drilling after all....
Back to reality; I think you're giving the Russians way too little credit than they deserve. "Dictator Putin"? While I agree that their life style doesn't match our ideas of freedom I'm pretty confident than most Russians enjoy more freedom than your average Iraqi in the current "liberated" Iraq.
When I jokingly mentioned that I swam there to my students in 2007 at the University of Toledo, OH. They took it seriously and told me quit doing that in the future. I was not surprised because .... well who hasn't heard about the infamous contamination of the Great Lakes?
I meant the big game. Bears, wolves and such are either extinct (Germany, Britain) or consist of tiny populations. And mentioning Putin's name was an irony.
Agreeing with you on this, I would say that freedom has become really relative in many parts of the world, unfortunately. Let's hope for the better future :)
after years of debate whether this was a federal or provincial responsibility, would launch a study on building an ice rink. After building it, it would be sold off cheaply to the Americans.
For the duration of commenting on this topic...
... will Godwin's Law be repealed?
Sure, invoke Godwin's Law, just like Hitler would have.
(Sadly, the joke icon is needed here.)
Only a Nazi would dare to say such a thing!
Let's hope they don't find what agents Mulder and Scully found.
or what Kurt Russell found.
was on my mind more, but then I am that old
or what Danforth and Dyer found
@Michael H.F. Wilkinson
That is not dead...
... which can eternal lie...!
or what A. Gordon Pym found.
(Damn kids. Get off my preternaturally temperate Antarctic lawn so I can finish this narrative.)
Are they Mad?
What if R'lyeh is down there?
Or even worse:
Nazi prehistoric reanimated zombie making ancient internet meme virus owls!!!
Will no one think of the children!
"Germany's submarine fleet is proud that it created an unassailable fortress for the Fuhrer on the other end of the world"
Wasn't this Argentina & Brazil?
Mine's the coat not allowed to stop in any South American port ;)
re Argentina & Brazil
Yes indeed. But they didn't build any fortress there, they just lived their calm, aliased lifes.
To celebrate the great news
I just had to watch "The Thing", yesterday night., btw, Italian newspapers report suspicions of a 105 by 75 KILOMETERS "extremely powerful" magnetic anomaly (1000 nanoTesla) in the SW edge of the lake. Maybe a "cylindrical or circular" metallic object.
So, it's either The Thing, or a Linguafoeda Acheronsis, or a Predator ship, or the lost city of Leng where the Old Ones dropped from between the angles of space.
In any case, I'm bolting down windows and doors.
Don't worry - could just be a tripod placed there by an alien civilisation, waiting to be woken up so it can suck all our blood.
Brilliant, more sources for more Lovecraftian theoricizing.
Although a US secret military base, an alien landing strip, a time travel vortex and even the Nazis somehow appear to be more popular options online.
I'm stuck on a glacier with MacGyver
Everyone should know they just found the Antarctic Stargate!
You would figure a device capable of using superconductors to generate a wormhole through space (and time if you get too close to a solar flare) would create a pretty big magnetic anomaly.
*Coat: I got my BDU, now just need my P90
"There is no need to worry"
Those are quite foreboding words...
you know there comming ...Resident Evil: Retribution nuff said ..
Unleash the Great Old Ones
All hail to our new overlords - Yog-Sothoth, Lloigor, Zhar, Nyarlathotep,Azathoth, Cthulhu, Ghatanothoa, Shub-Niggurath and Yig (he doesn't like showy names because of a speech impediment he had as a child, terrible lisp, even worse as he's a serpent god).
Stop saying those names.
Giant, blind, albino penguins is the first thing to be found there...
<-- Well, I guess having new penguin overlords is better than the alternative
I'm not sure, but those might be names of my sons' playmates at The Urban And MultiCultural With A Vengence Daycare Center And Latte Bar.
SO related :)
Forgot about Shoggoth, did ya?
I found this notice and all it says is "hastur hastur hastur"... aaaaiiiiiiieeeeeee"
Don't forget the
"He actually wrote 'aaaaiiiiiiieeeeeee' did he?"
"Well....maybe he was dictating..."
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