The story earlier this week on the deportation from the US of A of two Brits who ill-advisedly tweeted they were off to "destroy America" left a few readers pretty shaken up at the way the Department of Homeland Security handles potential terrorist threats. Trust us, you don't know the half of it. Today, we publish exclusive …
Shouldn't this come with a warning...
Something along the lines of: may offend those, without a sense of humor.
But no more than your post needs a: may offend those who know how to use a comma.
STILL DRYING MY EYES...BUT
I though the bubbas 10 gallon hat should have been bigger?
@"without a sense of humor"
Ruthless state officials (in every country) don't have a sense of humor. They have a "more than its their jobs worth attitude". The state officials are not thinking about other people, they are thinking about themselves. They take the very literal line, that if something were ever to go wrong, (that the person they should have stopped done wrong), then however unlikely that is, they risk being told off about letting that person through. So to defend against that ever happening, (no matter how remote a possibility it could ever be), they therefore behave with an absolute ruthlessly unthinking attitude in their clamp down to control what anyone says (and can possibly do), in case it could ever reflect badly on them being told they have not done their job.
Even worse they also want to show they are doing their controlling job, because ultimately they want to keep their position of power to be able to control others. Worse still they can (and all too often do) even just pick on people to make examples of them, to make themselves look like they are doing their job. Even worse is how so often these punishment methods don't even require a court of law to decide the punishment. The officials are judge and jury and the punishments are already allowed to be given out by the officials rules and regulations which give them power, (which they don't use against most people), but always have the option to choose to use against almost anyone, if they wish.
Added to this (as the news keeps showing), these ruthless state officials are able to act these days with almost impunity and that has to be stopped. These ruthless bastards are increasingly making our world a growing endlessly controlled nightmare for all of us and their power to control is growing year by year. But then the more knowledge they have on people the more ways they have to punish people and they are using their ability to punish as far as they can to twist laws and rules to suit whatever they want to do.
"medical staff quickly discover just where he's hidden the shovel he intended to use to disinter Marilyn Monroe"
I'm torn between the keyboard and beer icons.
Have a Friday beer on me Sr Reg!
imagine if they had been....
We would never have heard the story
We would never had known their names
As far as we know they would never have existed
While being flown on a whistle stop tour of the worlds torture centres by unlisted aircraft on unlisted routed with unlisted flight plans.
Because rendition does not and has never existed.
Re: imagine if they had been....
We probably would not have heard about the story unless maybe we lived in Asia and they reported it in the Asian press, never having been there I assume they have newspapers and the like.
I'm not sure why you'd expect to hear about incidents involving Americans and Asians in the European press?
Similarly, I had a friend who mentioned that during the reporting of the Costa Concordia incident that the numbers breakdown mentioned Spanish, British, Italians etc. the rest of them were apparently Asian.
I would expect the Asian press to break it down similarly, so there were Chinese, Korean, Indian etc., the rest were from somewhere else.
I think you may be a British with Asian origins or an Asian living in Britain who's a bit disgruntled about the lack of Asian reporting, don't take it so personally, it's just a different part of the world.
Perhaps for those dunces...
...who still think there are only 4 or so channels of `news` in the world.
If you only look to your state approved TV channels for your information about the world, then more fool you. *blinkers*
Now A Lewis Article Please
Preferably why the Eurofighter is s*it and why Britain should buy JSF instead.
...why HMS Dauntless' anti-Argentinian-aircraft facilities would be better replaced with a fleet of US-made speedboats for a fraction of the cost? ;-)
Just kidding, I love Lewis' articles.
Speedboats? Pfah. The U.K. is missing a heaven-sent opportunity to be on the cutting edge of military sharks-with-frickin-lasers technology.
NOW WE KNOW The winners
Of this years Oscar's!
...or Iranian FLYING speedboats. At least they could be based on an aircraft carrier.
Excellent work Reg :) Beer time?
One hates to speculate on...
...just how much money those Brits might have left in the bars of LA, had they been allowed to execute their nefarious plot.
Thank GOD we have the intelligence and means to defeat them!
Yes, but what was Optimus Prime's reaction.... Is he not defending the free world any more?
I think he was off investigating reports from Hasbro of the existance of other Transformer Primes in an attempt to bolster the ranks of the Autobots.
There can be only one!
Cue Queen background music...
and so tumbles the so-called First Amendment rights of US citizens.
You have Freedom of Speech so long as US Gov approves of it.
You have freedom of speach...
<accent type="american">as long as you speak American, you G'dam limie</accent>
not U.S. citizens
They're not U.S. citizens. American law enforcement agencies - and, in fact, Americans in general - have long been very clear that all those nice rights belong to *Americans*. No-one else has any rights other than to do exactly as the nice Homeland Security agent tells them to.
So long as you are in the US
You are afforded the protection of the Constitution whether you are a citizen or no. Outside the US - then that's asking for a cruise missiling.
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I think that they were denied access to the US; even if they were on US soil, it might not count.
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For a while US courts took pains to interpret "citizen" literally so there was a reasonable trade in medical experiments non-citizens, ie. immigrants. But some courts did develop cold feet / grow a pair depending on your perspective and so the authorities rediscovered the joys of extra-territoriality and extraordinary rendition to keep those pesky human (note not citizen's) rights people at bay and thus was born Guantanamo and lots of containers at foreign aiports...
@ Lester: fan-fucking-tastic collection of piciures. Who says investigative journalism is dead?
Border area 'not US soil'
The courts have ruled (oddly, I might add) that border areas are not US soil and constitutional rights don't apply. Even if it's in the middle of the airport in the middle of the US..... This is true for both citizens and non-citizens, it's why they can search your laptop and you have no rights.
I would point out that this has always been the case in most countries, but it has only recently been actually clarified by US courts. Previous to those rulings, it was sorta a gray area...
Besides, it's also the case that border control in the US is a Faraday cage, so you have no way to contact outside help - you're pretty much at the mercy of whoever is detaining you.... constitutional rights or not.
Chris_Maresca, would you please provide a case name having a judgement that determined that US border areas are not US soil?
The reason why certain searches and seizures in the US are considered reasonable at ports of entry (including inland international airports), yet unreasonable elsewhere in the country, ultimately dates back to the First Congress: namely to the Act of July 31, 1789 (two years before the ratification of the US Bill of Rights). The powers of border guards approached their current scope with the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, enacted by overriding Truman’s veto during the era of McCarthyism.
But until you've got through immigration, you're *not* in the U.S.
AdamWill, would you please provide evidence that a person going through immigration at a US port of entry on US soil (including inland international airports) is not in the US?
Regarding the Fourth Amendment right of anyone in the US, citizen or not, to be "secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures", US ports of entry on US soil are places where a different standard of "unreasonable" has applied since there were only eleven states in the Union.
"AdamWill, would you please provide evidence that a person going through immigration at a US port of entry on US soil (including inland international airports) is not in the US?"
I'm not AdamWill, but I will offer a reference that at least clarifies the claim. As near as I can tell - and this isn't my field much less am I the specialist who should be answering this question - the points of entry in question are most definitely U.S. soil - but a number of what the standard American assumes applies to them ANYWHERE in America (if not the whole damn world in some cases) is totally meaningless until you've been cleared for entry. If you want more information, reference the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), § 235 [8 U.S.C.].
out standing in our fields
Daniel 4, thanks for your reply. You are certainly correct in noting that the typical Yank tends to believe that his constitutional rights remain the same at all times and places in the US, despite common knowledge of situations where this is not the case, e.g. freedom of speech not extending to causing panic by shouting “Fire!” in a packed movie theater. (Cue the Big Brother icons decrying the imminent annihilation of the First Amendment.) A person’s Fourth Amendment rights are similarly curtailed at US ports of entry on US soil, and are restored once one passes through CBP’s gate.
Please note that the formal name of McCarran-Walter (in my reply above to Chris_Maresca) is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952. (There was a large amending act of the same name in 1965.) I’ll point you in turn to §287 (a) of McCarran-Walter for a list of powers that the immigration people can wield without requiring warrants, or even probable cause.
Same rights as US citizens? Under 2012 NDAA act...
....so that'll be.....fuck all then! Behaved `belligerently` towards the state? I reckon these two probably qualify.
Good luck lads, they're going to make a massive mountain out of this! Be prepared to become an example to the rest of us! Time to go back to the oldschool - Get out there with stencils and spraypaint and posters. The internet is a dangerous place to post political polemic - too many paranoid freak governments these days... feeling control slipping away from them....they don't like it!
if there is a senior intelligence guy in the US of A who has his head in hands in an utter state of disbelief of what the TSA have done. Somehow I doubt it.
Thanks for the laugh Reg. Beer o'clock, time to go...
"...head in hands..."
"Yes, yes there is - scores of them. But as they have clues, they're not permitted anywhere near policy-makers nor allowed to be part of decision making processes.
Mostly, they're exiled to squalid little cubbies, where they crank out reams of analysis reports - which are then used to fuel the furnaces.
Spat my tea all over the screen after I enlarged the picture of the FBI bunker. I love the cowboy and the Viking! Happy Friday!
But where is Darth
I must admit that I was disappointed that Darth Vader didn't get a cameo.
> Homeland Security cyber-monitoring bunker
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
The Dr. Strangelove war room scene is epic :)
Top stuff gents
And nice use of the underrated Defcon too
The meaning of "destroy America" in English is clear and unambiguous, but I doubt that actual terrorist would say that that was their plan.
Another pretty unambiguous collection of two words. Maybe you can have a t-shirt made with them printed on it?
You need to read more headlines and look up the term "crash blossoms" while you're at it.
All terrorists must, by law, wear clothing that clearly identifies them as such and behave in the prescribed manner.
There may be other sources for news...
... but they don't have a Playmobil prison blowjob.
people that dumb should not be allowed out in public.
People that dumb should have been given green cards
The REALLY scary part about this whole thing is...
...the Troglodites who arrested these folks carry loaded weapons. Those idiots are FAR MORE dangerous than those two kids.
And by the way...just because it's "beer time" on YOUR side of the pond...have a little pity on those of us who still have 5 hours to go. OK? Cheers everyone!!
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