Late last year, I reviewed the Nokia Lumia 800 – and I've just spent a week with the 710, its cheap and cheerful sibling, as my main phone. I actually preferred using this budget model to the much-hyped 800. Nokia Lumia 710 Windows Phone 7 smartphone Road to recovery? Nokia's Lumia 710 The 710 has essentially the same …
The review and summary don't quite match
If the Lumia 710 barely makes it through the day and costs £300, why would you consider it for your second phone?
For most people, the use cases for a second phone are:
A) A phone you can rely on to be working when you can't use your 'primary' phone - usually because the battery is dead. Possibly if you need to use a foreign SIM etc.
B) A phone that's so cheap you can take it walking, sailing, canoeing and bungee jumping* without caring too much if you lose or destroy it.
So you'd expect a second phone to have a battery that lasts much longer than your main phone, and be dirt cheap - something like the £10 jobbies from Tesco, or that Energizer-bunny one.
The Lumia 710 doesn't fit either of those use cases, so I really don't understand which demographic you see using this as a second phone.
I can however see the Lumia 710 as being a second choice if you can't afford the smartphone you really want. That's especially true as there's so little reason to pick the Lumia 800 over the 710.
*Ok, maybe not bungee jumping. Skiing?
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Budget model, cheap and cheerful etc ...
... Yet costing getting on for half as much again as for a similarly-specced Android talker. It looks a fine effort, but only really interesting as a budget phone at the sub-£200 level. Hopefully typical discounting will kick in and restore some sanity. £300 gets anything apart from bleeding-edge flagship models from anyone else.
Not only that
But you are getting a gimped phone OS for your money. Android 2.x might not be as slick as WP7 but it is vastly more functional and featured.
I HAD NO IDEA THEY STILL...
made phones after I retired my N95!
its not a budget model is it?
Its a mid range model, largely because the software update "tango" that enables the OS to run on lower spec'ed hardware hasnt been released yet, its still in beta testing and probably will not be available until Q2 12, at the very earliest we're looking at Q3 12 before hardware hits the shelfs and possibly Q4 if the manufactures havent got their act together
So, lets not call this budget, its cheaper than others just now but there are cheaper ones on the way, unless you want to call those super-budget, which is stupid, im saying this now hopefully before the torrent of posts about "budget" android devices costing less an giving WP more bad PR hits the forum.
£300 is probably RRP. I'm sure it will be available for less.
I'm sure it will be available for less
Like the 800 that was going for £120 if you looked in the right place at the right time ;O)
Already £200 as PAYG from O2 ... and read a comment elsewhere that it may be coming in at £150 on Vodafone.
..is often working out where the reviewer went to take their camera Test shots. Was it a park? Which city? Do I recognise it? What building is that? Which road is that?
But this one has me stumped - a west end show, a doom and gloom prophesy and some limp salad. Damn you, el reg!
In what universe is a £300 phone considered budget? What adjective would you use to describe models costing £20?
I'd call them "not a smartphone". That said, I wouldn't call a £300 smartphone "budget" either, considering Nokia has Symbian phones that can be called smartphones and still cost half that much.
£200 or less sim free would be a reasonable definition of a budget smart phone. For that you can get a phone with a 800x480 capacitive screen, Android 2.3 and a 800Mhz CPU.
It wouldn't set the world alight but it would still be a pretty reasonable device.
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"You’re quickly into the dregs"
Maybe need to give the WP marketplace/appstore/whatever-MS-call -the-place-you-download-apps-from a bit of time to develop ... remember at one time people said the Apple apps store was little more than a collection of fart apps, then when I first got an Android phone just over 2 years ago people ridiculed the Android marketplace in comparison with the apps store. I'm not a "WP-fan" (I'm stil with Android) but I think we need to allow a little time to see if WP will develop
I think this is a problem common to all the mobile stores.
I think we need to allow a little time to see if WP will develop
10 years not enough, then...
I have a me-too to add to your comment on phone reviewers often not picking up on usage issues. I suspect it's purely because, once a phone's released, everyone wants to be the first out of the paddock with a review and end up largely regurgitating what's on the back of the box.
I've purchased phones that came highly regarded only to discover very basic and fundamental flaws/strange design decisions which I then have to live with for two years. That's made worse by 99.9% of shops only have plastic mock-ups available. Maybe this means there's a market for the motoring magazine's "long term test"...well, at least a week or two's continuous use before pontificating.
Had I just read the text, I'd expect a very low mark but 80% is respectable. Wierd.
On pricing, the 710 will be available free on the mid-low range of monthly tariffs, pitching it against last-gen Android hardware for most consumers. It will also be heavily discounted on PAYG but it's emphatically not in the budget range. That being said, c.£300 unlocked is cheap for a new smartphone and it's the same price as the Samsung Omnia W.
Oh, and Andrew's dead wrong about the shape and comfort of the 800 - it's a brilliant design and is very comfortable for me.
"Very comfortable for me"
Do you have square gonads?
or perhaps just shorter pockets?
I agree in most parts, but it is better to check with hahaped.
WP Twitter app
If you want an example of how a Twitter app should be done on WP7 (as opposed to Birdsong which the reviewer said was very slow) try out Rowi - fast to resume from background, fast to start, and even very fast support from the developers.
What twitter app?
Just as a disclaimer, I don't use twitter, but i can't help but notice that you are able to add twitter as an account in the general settings. i think that this means that your updates would then populate into the "people" tile (or under a contact if you actually know the person you are following) and you can send updates from the "me" tile.
So why do you need an app?
Apple have been very modular with their model, requiring an additional app for a lot of functionality and it seems like Android has gone a similar route.
The windows phones take a different approach, but it's a shame that people still seem to reach for an app when actually the functionality is built in. Seems that this approach has become engrained....
this was the approach that was taken with the Kin, and I think mose of the devs from the Kin got moved onto windows phone. (I used to do RIL testing on the kin)
Rowi looks like the best choice.
The whole concept of merging difference media feeds has been tried repeatedly (and before WP7 went public) and it's a marmite feature, you love it OR hate it. I've tried a few of the Android apps that aggregate feeds, the built in Timescape version on my Play and whatever HTC shipped and just don't get on with it.
Which leaves me grateful it's purely optional, even though every manufacturer seems to ship with their own take on aggregation enabled its always trivial to disable. Worth remembering some of the brand loyalty to Samsung/HTC/SE is people liking the particular tweaks added over base Android.
Right now I let GMail aggregate most of my email accounts but isolate some in the Mail app, feed Twitter through Go SMS along with texts and Talk does it's own thing. Makes it easy to prioritise dealing with everything and hard to lose track of what I'm responding to. The flood with them all aggregated was overwhelming. That soaks up more space on my homescreen but Android gives me 20 slots per homescreen so there's less demand to combine them than with WP7s lower tile limit.
I assure you...
It is NOT true that most of the Kin team moved on to the Windows Phone team. Absolutely not true.
The browser is fast?
Ho ho ho, not only is it the slowest of all the current mobile OS browsers, it's slower and far less standards compliant than the Nokia Meego which SHOULD be on this hardware.
I can't compare the speed of the browser, but with regards to standards compliance, I just scored 100 on the acid3 test
As the kneejerk M$ hatery has already gained 4 upvotes, I have decided to award one to your actual test result in the interests of sanity.
Fast App Switching
With regards to your comment about apps taking an age to switch between, this is dependant on the app.
MS introduced Fast App Switching with Mango, but some developers still haven't updated their apps to support it
"the need for an extra tap for many common operations – punching in a new URL"
I don't know how many taps you need on other phones, but on WP7 the process is: Tap the address bar, type in URL, Tap Enter.
I can't think of any way to shorten this process other than to always have the address bar selected with the keyboard on display
How MWC 2012 could have looked
All eyes turn to the two Android giants as the rumour mill goes into overdrive regarding new handset announcements. 2011 saw a fantastic year for both Nokia and Samsung, who saw their greatest ever profits and smartphone shipments as Android accounted for 52% of the market with Samsung just edging it at 28% to Nokias 24%. Both have blazing dual-core large screen Android successes on their hands with their top end 2011 models, now the industry waits with bated breath to see what marvels they announce here - largely, the spec is expected to be quad-core, 1.6ghz devices with 4.2" or larger screens and 12Mp cameras, running the latest ICS Android release from the start. The runaway success for them both looks to continue unabated as they both build on their quality handset heritage to deliver exactly what customers want.
"as they both build on their quality handset heritage to deliver exactly what customers want."
A full value solution?
wow, was that a comment? Reads like a press release.
So many stupid flaws in WP7
I found a doozy of bad design in WP7 yesterday. MMS wasn't working (not fetching images & media). After some unhelpful errors from the UI I finally discover the APN wasn't set properly so I go and set it. But MMS is still not working properly.
Then I discover it's not working because 3G data is disabled on the phone (which is only connected via wifi normally). So I flick the switch controlling data and now MMS works. Problem is the switch also controls general data consumption so to get MMS you have to expose yourself to risk of other kinds of data charges. Not a problem if data is included in your phone plan, but a massive problem when it isn't.
So unlike other phones where you can have MMS but not 3G data, on Windows Phone 7 you have both or nothing. It's such a stupid design that it beggars belief.
The UI is rife with stupid little annoyances like this. Another one is there is one volume control. If you're playing a game and you turn the sound down, you're also turning down the sound for incoming calls. Another is the lack of multitasking of any kind, the consequence of which that many apps botch resuming where they were when you had to step away from them.
Superficially Windows Phone 7 looks great but it is still deeply flawed. It desperately needs a major revision.
@DrXym: "...Another is the lack of multitasking of any kind..."
WTF? And you say you've used WP7? Presumably you failed to use the long-press of the BACK key or spot the BACKGROUND TASKS page in SETTINGS then.
I agree that missing that feature is a bit confusing but it's hardly made clear and I only accidentally found it because I'm using Android and habitually long-press things to see what, if any, extra things the app does. As for the background tasks page, that's a new entry too and only apps that take advantage of Mango's fast (HAH!) app switching are included there.
@PaulR79: Excuse me but how is a long-press of the back key any more confusing than the equivalent in Android or iOS, exactly?
"...As for the background tasks page, that's a new entry too and only apps that take advantage of Mango's fast (HAH!) app switching are included there..."
WRONG! The apps in there are actually the ones that utilize background processing, i.e. get to perform simple tasks (in the background, natch) once every half-hour. That page has NOTHING to do with Mango's fast resume feature or with which apps support it.
Please get your facts right before you diss. And for your edification, Mango's fast resume, when implemented properly by developers, is pretty much INSTANTANEOUS.
But let's not let facts get in the way of our anti-MS vitriol, eh?
More flaws in WP7?
Reading Jim Coleman's posts I'm now worried about WP7's apparent tendency to intermittently engage CAPS LOCK.
@Stike Vomit: You might have had a point if it wasn't for the fact I'm typing on a PC.
But again, never let the facts spoil a good rant, eh?
There is no multitasking
"WTF? And you say you've used WP7? Presumably you failed to use the long-press of the BACK key or spot the BACKGROUND TASKS page in SETTINGS then."
Stop pretending it has multitasking, it doesn't. There is some facility for background activity but not proper multitasking. And it hurts the experience as is plainly obvious within using a WP device for a few minutes..
Just try downloading a map or a voice in Nokia Maps... As soon as you try to leave the screen, the download is stopped.
BTW, if you like so much the limited interface, you can do the same on Android by limiting yourself to widgets. There is even a replacement launcher that completely copies the WP7 interface. No idea why someone would do that, though. It is cumbersome and impossible to use with more than a few apps.
Mentioned that one before
"Just try downloading a map or a voice in Nokia Maps... As soon as you try to leave the screen, the download is stopped."
Nokia Drive stands as one of the most brain dead apps I've ever used. Like you say it doesn't download in the background (maybe WP7 has limits which prevent it) which is a pain in the arse to say the least. I'm still wondering what the point of downloading maps is at all when the app requires you to be online in order to search for a destination or calculate a route.
Even apps which do download in the background, I've yet to see more than one download occurring simultaneously. So if you install a few apps from the store they occur sequentially unlike in Android where you can set more than one off at once if you like.
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