A Kia? Reviewed by Reg Hardware? No, we’ve not taken leave of our senses, because the new Rio EcoDynamics is being pitched as the most fuel-efficient and least-polluting car - when it comes to CO2, anyway - you can buy without an electric motor poking its nose into the drive train. Kia Rio 1.1 CRDi EcoDynmics diesel car Not a …
74bhp from a 1.1 Common rail diesel is pretty good.
Back end has been ripped straight from a Seat.
Profile is very fiat bravo.
But that front grille is hideous!
Interior looks very low quality too, bit overpriced IMO, given as stated Ford and Vauxhall have equivalents in the same price range, but better quality.
MPG difference is less significant, 88mpg is probably more like 65 real world, the fiesta is rated as 68, which is probably more 55 real world. (Difference is higher as engine is smaller and will need to be thrashed!)
10mpg over 12,000 miles results in about £225 saving over a year (Fuel @ £1.50/Litre), if you factor in depreciation, the ford would probably make up for this.
"MPG difference is less significant, 88mpg is probably more like 65 real world,"
Seems you are right
On a trip from Manchester to Swansea and back - down along the M6/M5 and back up the A483 - I averaged 67mpg on the motorways and 58mpg on the A-road return journey
Which makes me wonder how and why they have a standard measure that everyone knows isn't repeated in the real world. Is it actually useful for anyone?
The point isn't really to measure an 'accurate real world' figure (that's more or less impossible, because it'll depend on your driving style, where you drive, when you drive etc). The point is to measure all vehicles using the exact same test, and have that test at least more-or-less resemble real world driving. You're not supposed to read the resulting numbers as 'the mpg you will get when driving this car', but you _can_ use them for comparison: it should broadly be the case that a given car which is 20% more efficient than another given car in the tests will also be 20% more efficient than that other given car in the real world. That's the real purpose of the numbers.
Low friction tires?
Even the concept of these worry me, I mean the whole idea of a tire is to grip the road!
Can anyone explain how these are not a bad idea given British weather?
Stop sign because I'm not convinced it will......
Low rolling resistance, rather than Low friction.
the same thing?
Low rolling resistance is is a specific load and direction.
Rolling resistance is the energy used up by the tyre flexing as it rolls along (look at your tyre, it has a little bulge at the bottom), it's nothing to do with the tread pattern.
... in my experience low rolling resistance tyres do not grip as well laterally as their more traditional counterparts, particularly in the wet.
Maybe you're not a very good driver ?
if you can get one
I ordered my 1.1 CRDi '1' (the 88.3mpg one) back in early October with an expected delivery date of early December.
Early December came with out even a production slot visible. Then just before xmas the garage told me that there was a production issue with them and they would be delayed.
In January I was finally told that there would be no production till June (for all Diesel versions).
The garage did manange to get my name down for one of the '1' Air versions which had been made before the stoppage , though they haven't yet agreed to give me it for the same price as the non air version (despite it being 77.8mpg instead of the 88.3).
So nice little car IF you can get one.
Wretched, styleless cars...
The latter shape Hyundai Coupe begs to differ with you on that, and that was released 10 years ago (not the one that looked like it melted).
Yeah - but the Hyundai Coupe did have those other problems
No performance, no speed, no reliability, no handling, high emissions, high consumption.
The car was an absolute dog.
Great Review compared to Fifth Gear
Great review, I'm glad to see it's getting close to it's rated MPG and you've taken the time to look at all the various practicalities of the car apart from just pure speed and acceleration
Compare that to a recent episode of Fifth Gear recently where they claimed to be trying to get close to the rated MPG figure but just seemed to give up and absolutely horse the thing, then complain they got less than half the MPG they were 'supposed' to get. Too much time driving Ferraris I feel.
I've had a curiosity about this car for some time and this review has been a good read.
Quiet French Diesels?
If my french Diesel is anything to go by, the only reason it's quiet is because a butterfly in China flapped its wings so it spontanously dumped all its oil and welded itself solid.
French Diesels are great. When they're not blowing Turbos, manifolds, injectors, heads or bottom ends.
at least the citroens, are the same as ford, peugeot diesels - in fact shared across a great number of cars. i think it's the amount of damping around the engine bay that makes much of the difference (might be wrong...)
Quality of the injection system affects the 'knock' as well.
It can be eliminated, but the injection system is so expensive you'd tripple the price of an executive saloon. i.e. S-Class diesel in the £180k region!
Is Kia still building cars with a suspension that can be damaged by running over a nightcrawler?
Recent Kia OK
I had a Pro Cee'd 1.6 CRDi for over three years with no real issues. It was "3" spec so it sat on stiff suspension and big alloys that didn't help the ride, but the interior was pretty much unmarked after three years, and it looks very similar to the Rio interior. Couldn't really complain about build quality or the 7 year warranty...
...but it was so very, very dull to drive. Traded it in for a Renault Wind, even though I know that I'll probably have issues with it, it actually likes to go round corners and gives feedback to the driver.
Broken down yet though?
it's a getting-to-a-place-cheaply-and-safely device, not a toy.
try telling police crash investigators you view driving as a bit of fun and a game and they'll probably chin you!
Why on Earth are El Reg now reviewing depressing little hatchbacks? Seriously, a Kia.....with a 1.1 litre diesel engine......I cannot think of anything I would want to drive less. It's quite tragic that the great unwashed have got it into their heads that they MUST buy a more economical car, when they fail to realise fuel is only a very small part of the bill for running a car, which means manufacturers are released utter tedium like this.
The number of times I have had the conversation with people who have spent 10k+ on a new diesel to save £200 a year in fuel beggars belief. Or the ones who do 3,000 miles a year and insist on going diesel, when a petrol would work out far cheaper. Idiots the lot of them.
Mine's the one with the keys to a 15 year old BM in it. Cheaper to run than a BlueEcoMotiveMotionHybridSynergyDynamics and 1000x more fun too.
If cost savings are your main motivation when buying a car, then NOT buying a new one (and getting shafted royally by the depreciation in the first few years) is probably the wisest move!
New v Old
Yeah, but did your 15yr old BMW come with a 7-year warranty?
Reviews of new cars are aimed a new car buyers, this isn't Auto Trader FFS.
probably costs 2 grand a year in fuel against 1 grand for this machine; probably requires another grand in welding PA, and a fuckload of hassle every time some widget goes wrong and you have to figure out whether you want to get underneath it and get on ebay for every stupid doohickey which breaks, and/or risk being ripped off by your mechanic who has a bill to pay; that against 7 years of car at £1k-1.4k a year, fixed servicing costs...
TIME is the real cost of an ancient car - and life is short!
Fuel costs are not a small cost of running the car if you're doing 25,000 miles a year.
I've got an "eco box" just for my work miles. It pays for itself in fuel savings
It actually costs closer to 3 grand a year in fuel, due to the mileage I'm doing. I worked out I could save about 3 pound a day if I bought a depressing little hatchback, which I would then spend in the pub when I got home to forget about the ordeal of peddling a tiny diesel engine up and down the M6. It requires zero welding, ever (ever heard of galvanised panels?) and very little in maintenance as it has been well looked after in its life. If something goes wrong I just drop it off with my mechanic, who lends me a car to get to work and fixes it to BMW standards for half the price. 33,000 miles I've done in it now and have spent the sum total of bugger all keeping it going, and haven;t even had to get me hands dirty.
All I'm saying is that with a bit of common sense and buying wisely, you can have something far more interesting for a lesser amount. Hmm 1.1 diseasal or lovely 2.8 litre straight six? that is a toughy.....
@ Bodhi (bimmer owner)
Ok you got me there, your car is more interesting. and you seem to have the nouse and support to keep the finances under control.
In my case, I had a 2.8 granada many years ago - amazing but too fast - but then that is factoring in there was a complete idiot at the wheel, i.e. me at the time. seriously - i couldn't bring myself to drive within the speed limit - or even a long way within it. it was probably a blessing when some lady wrote it off driving into it.
so having a car which is slower than anything else on the road for me is a safety feature!! one gets up to 26 or 30 and you thinik "ooer missus, this is a bit fast..!!" lol.
Sounds better if you put it at 3 pounds a day..
Thats 100 pounds a month (nearly), a not small sum for most people. Then there is the free road tax..thats probably another 20 (?) quid a month saving at least... All adds up
Er - since when
Did anyone buy a car because of the warranty? If the warranty is featuring that much in your decision then FFS don't buy it cos its obviously a piece of crap.
And if someone spending loadsadosh doesn't consider all their options including the second hand market then they are as dumb as a bag of spanners.
Ford or Volkswagen
"OK, the plastics and fabrics aren’t quite up there with the best from Ford or Volkswagen...".
Ford have come a long way in the last 10 years, haven't they? I never used to hear them mentioned as a paragon of quality.
A few years back when people laughed at horrid Korean cars, I told them to remember what early Japanese cars were like and to give the Koreans a few years. Looks like they have got where they probably planned to be all along.
Did you by any chance own a yellow Datsun Sunny 23 years ago?
Hah. My daily driver is a Datsun Cherry. I had a Proton MPi once. The Proton was a thinly veiled 80's Vauxhall and although comfy exhibited all the rubbishness. Apart for is love for the tinworm, the Datsun is in a different league in terms of component quality and refinement.
I don't think you can draw any meaningful comparison between Japanese and South Korean car industries at all. Different mindset, different goals.
Those Protons were based on a Mitsubishi model. It was Daewoo that used to have cars based on 80s Vaukhalls with the Espero (Mk. 2 Cavalier) and the Nexia (Mk.2 Astra).
I still remember a head to head test between the Daewoo Astra and a second hand Vauxhall Astra - the Vauxhal won
oil filter - v accessible and practical (says he still sore from trying to get to the filter on his peugeot)
<sarcasm> Why is the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car? Is the photo reversed? It will never sell in the states like that </sarcasm>
Yanks just don't get humor at all.
<sarcasm> Why is the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car? Is the photo reversed? It will never sell in the states like that </sarcasm>
That isn't sarcasm.
Sarcasm would be "Oh that car is going to sell REALLY well in the US..."
What you said was satire, which you get points for, but misrepresenting it as sarcasm puts you right back to square one. Sorry!
Kia comes with a Rio that gets a decent number of miles per gallon. And Ford adds a start/stop thingie to a Focus, and advertise it as the best thing since sliced bread. Yes, it's all very new and exciting and totally awesome. Assuming you're not familiar with the Volkswagen Lupo 3L.
The moment there is a diesel that gets more than 100mpg I might get excited, but this car doesn't really warrant this amount of coverage.
i got 62mpg out of my old 120d on a run.
and yes i am aware the cars cost a lot different from new, but a 2l diesel nearly matching a 1.1l for economy.... meh
That's a BMW, though
Less air resistance due to you probably being 1" from the car in front, and less work for the alternator, due to refusal to use indicators.
With the larger engine you don't need to work it as hard to achieve desired performance.
But at the same time, my Clio DCI will do over 90mpg if driven like a granny.
Driven the same way with this car you may achieve 80-90 listed.
the fucking car cost enough.... didn't want to pay for indicators as well did i?! people should keep out of my way anyway, as im a better driver.
Pah! My moped did 200mpg but only 40mph.
I did however have a Suzuki 250 which would do 80mpg at 80mph.
"partly styled at Kia’s German studio" indeed. It screams GM at me. The Vauxhall Insignia scallop in the side, the preposterous high shoulder line, the wilfully bland rear quarters and the uber-retro honeycomb pattern fake diffuser. I mean, 16" wheels? That thing looks almost as big as the current generation Corsa (i.e. roughly the same as a 90's Ford Granada). I bet these don't sell well in the home market.
How easy is it to change headlight bulbs? I've ****ing had it with modern cars that require you to dismantle the front grill / remove the battery + supports / flay the back of your hand just to put in a new ****ing headlight bulb !!!
just do what loads of people seem to be doing nowadays.
drive around with one (or more) light out. stupid cunts.
@ jungle jim
That's 'cos car are so reliable these days, that everyone ignores the daily Checks. Admit it - how many of you checked your lights, tyres (all 5, for pressure, wear & damage), oil and coolant levels, "schooshers" level, wiper damage etc?
Not many, I suspect. Most people don't even know how to open their bonnets, or how to do even the most basic preventative maintenance. Reliability has reached "white goods" level, and people have got complacent.
PS - I hate the broken light brigade too. Especially the ones with 2 broken brake lights, but think that because the centre one works, it's all ok. Cunts.
Took me about 30 minutes a side last time - including fitting ballasts (went Xenon) fittiing the washers took longer.
Anyway sidelight bulb took 10 minutes including removing and refitting the air filter box.
An old car I had took about 2 minutes to swap a bulb.
1 light w@nkers
Too many of them around, gets on my nerves, I flash them - maybe one day they will get the message.
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