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Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak has underlined his love for Android handsets, stating his gripes with the iPhone and why in many ways he prefers Google's OS. He even claimed voice commands worked better on Android, as does the GPS system, the Daily Beast reports. “My primary phone is the iPhone, I love the beauty of it. But I …

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Mushroom

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Stand well back.

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Hey, move over, there must be more space behind the sofa, stop hogging it all!

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"...there must be more space behind the sofa..."

Let's hope the cushions are made of a properly flame-retardant material...

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Um!!!

I wonder if Apple is going to sue him after those comments?

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A Gerald Ratner moment

I think.

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Yay Woz!

Always respected the Woz. He approaches hardware objectively and is not afraid to give his opinion (pro or con) based on the actual design and performance of a piece of gear.

Whether you are pro-Apple or pro-Google, the Woz tells it like it is.

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That's because he's an engineer

Not like Jobs, who was more of a visionary.

Wozniak has been too under-emphasised in the success of Apple - Jobs took advantage of his skills, I believe.

Still, at least he doesn't have to worry about offending Jobs now. I don't think he'd have said this in such plain terms before.

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"the Woz tells it like it is"

As you'd expect from someone with an engineering background.

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He's an electronics engineer, he enjoys fiddling with all the nuts and bolts. He isn't representative of the average person.

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Which he recognise in the statements he gave.

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Woz

The actual brains of the *original* Apple, with nary a marketing bone in his body obviously. But he's an engineer's engineer! Woz - I respect, admire and definitely just like the guy.

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TRAITOR.

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FRONTSTABBER.

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Malware...

The only problem I have with Android is Malware and lack of app store control...

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Malware?

Wow - how much malware have you received on your Android device?

You must be really, really unlucky or just quite gullible to have it cause you a problem?

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Right and the "stringent checks" that come into play with the apple system mean that malware has never happened, other than when the phone itself was storing info it shouldn't or when the program got in that was sending texts out without people knowing, or the one snooping on your phoen book (both of which they used the secret kill switch for i believe)

Or the current one of a game with tracks directly copied from mario kart that is available for sale.

Yes the stringent checks that apple stop everything bad from getting onto the app store, also it makes pigs fly as well.

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Security is never 100%

Security is never 100%. But Apple's is 99.99% versus Android's 0%. I guess if you have a binary mentality (and don't know how to round) then 99.99% = 0%, but for most of us there's a slight difference.

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Whatever your assessment of the differences in security between iphones and android phones, it’s obviously impossible to take anyone seriously who thinks it’s of this kind of magnitude – apple 99.9% effective, android 0% effective, or in other words Apple infinitely better. Fanboyism of the most comical stripe.

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Security experts have shown ways to get passed Apple security checks. In fact one researchers got a spyware packed app release on Apple app store.

Apple security is worst than Android for the simple fact that Apple and it fanboys and girls believes Apple security is 99.99 % secure. Why Android use know that Android is far from being 100% secure.

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Security is 100% on android

Android only allows apps to do what users agree to let them do when they install the app. That can't be less secure than iOS.

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@Security is 100%

Erm: In practice, that means that almost every app from Angry birds to wallpapers asks for every permission in the book. So yeah, you can refuse to install these apps... if you don't want to have any apps on your phone.

Try to find, say, a Sudoku app that asks for NO permissions. Go ahead, I'll wait.

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Wel in that case you're either an Apple fanboi/shill trying to stir up non-existent shite or you've been a naughty person and downloaded naked boob apps from some very dodgy places! I've stuck to Google Marketplace, downloaed something like 175 apps in 2 monhts and haven't had one problem that I am aware of on my rooted SGS2 from O2.

So why don't you just bugger off back under your bridge troll!

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Actually, in practice it means nothing of the sort. UC Berkeley published a paper titled "Android Permissions Demystified" which found that, out of a sample of 940 apps, only one third asked for more permissions than were required, and of those third, over half only requested one additional permission, and only 6% requested more than 4 additional permissions. And this seems to reflect my experience with the 134 apps I've installed on my own device. BTW, of the three different versions of Angry Birds on my phone (original, seasons and Rio - all the free versions), none of them ask for more than a handful of permissions.

And it's important to understand that just because an app asks for permissions doesn't mean it's up to something dodgy. I'm not about to trawl the entire Market checking the permissions on every single Sudoku app out there right now, but a quick check of the two on my phone show that one of them (Andoku Sudoku) only asks for access to the SD card and the vibrator. Meanwhile its successor (Andoku 2) in its free incarnation only additionally requests internet access (to download ads - though it works OK in areas of no network coverage too...).

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Point in case

When I install something on my computer, I can block it from accessing the internet. And why would a Sudoku app access the SD card anyway??

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Why access the SD Card?

Perhaps to install itself on the SD card?

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RE: Point in case

"When I install something on my computer, I can block it from accessing the internet"

Really, Have you blocked every program on your PC apart from a select few from accessing the internet?

Does any program on a PC tell you it needs to use the internet before you install it?

Do you stop all programs on your PC from accessing your hard disk and set up individual permissions for all of them so they can only access a specific area of userland?

Do programs on your PC ask you before they can access your USB port, or access your printer?

Do you only get programs for your PC from a safe area, where all the programs have had their source reviewed and checked for malware or bugs? Any software downloaded from a manufacturers website or bought in retail packaging hasn't been checked.

How much junk is out there that you could install on your PC?

Android is far, far safer in all these respects. But still gives you the freedom to decide yourself what gets installed (after knowing the permissions it needs) without anyone telling you that you are not allowed to.

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If only

Shame Woz can't post that summary in every flame war on the Internet around iOS vs Android, he's summed it up brilliantly: for those who like tinkering, get an Android; for those who just want a instant gratifying/usable (but inevitably restrictive as a result) experience, get an iPhone.

It's why I use an iPhone. I *could* put the effort into an Android (and did try for 2 months - one of the few people I talk to that has honestly lived with both devices) but ultimately don't have the time or inclination to do such a thing for my phone.

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What effort?

I got my wife to get an Android phone at her last upgrade and she is as technically illiterate as they come. She has had no problems getting it to do everything she wants it to do and I haven't had to give her any support - unlike my sister-in-law with her iphone who seems to ring me about every little thing.

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And???

My girlfriend is very technically literate, and has Android which drives her insane as it requires serious effort and swearing to get it to simple things like join our home network (which she has to do manually every single time), adding new email accounts, transferring data, getting more apps on to her phone with an SD card, etc etc

Your point proves nothing, and neither does my gfs inability to get along with Android.

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I totally agree.

I support end-users. If I spend a little time explaining whats what, the end user is always 100% happy with their choice of Android handset.

iPhone users just don't want to listen/learn, it should just work. Well it does, it works well for those brain dead people.

But for the majority, they can, do and want to learn and understand their phone and what it can do for them.

The Malware thing! BOLLOX, i've not had any trouble. I tell people to check app permissions before installing and to use a bit of common sense. You don't allow a wallpaper to "make chargable calls" for example.

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You are a troll and i claim my £5

Ok ill bite, what sort of cheap nasty chinese knockoff android phone did you buy for your girlfriend?

"join our home network (which she has to do manually every single time)"

Are you hiding the SSID of your network? thats the only thing that springs to mind that might stop the phone connecting as soon as you turn on wifi and a hidden ssid doesn't really offer any security.

"adding new email accounts"

Ill give you this one, in my guise as an evil spammer i find updating all the email accounts i burn through in a day a real chore.

"transferring data"

Plug in usb cable, enable usb storage, copy. Or if your like me and too lazy to get out of the chair and find a usb cable upload the data to your website and download it to the phone with the phones convenient built in web browser (yes i really did that)

"getting more apps on to her phone with an SD card"

Inconvenience is the price of piracy, you do have the option of using the market but you'd have to pay for some of the apps then.

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"My girlfriend is very technically literate"

Really? I can't see how she has problems joining your home network, then. My Droid automatically connects to my home network. It also automatically connects to my friend's home network when I'm visiting her in Edinburgh, to the O2 Cloud network, and indeed to any wi-fi network I have previously given it the password for. Likewise, getting apps onto the SD card is done by a single keystroke in my app manager. Transferring data onto the phone is *literally* a matter of dragging and dropping in Windows.

I submit that your girlfriend is not technically literate at all, assuming she doesn't live in Canada. And neither are you, or you would have made up better lies.

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Wow on what planet are you

Wow on what planet are you... I have never seen anyone have to join a home network manually eveytime as you say, I have 4 Android Tablets from differn't manufactures and 2 phones and never had this problem, getting Apps from an SD card means your getting from a source outside the Market (which I do on a occasion) but not because of Limitations of Android OS, but by the Limitations of Manufacturer. Your problems are caused by external sources, ie your poor understanding of Local area networks and Blaming the wrong source for your problems. I think she is not as " literate" as you think..

As for setting up an email account if you don't actually DO it how will it get on the device by "wishing"

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I love fandroids

As condescending as usual, no wonder you are the tech equivalents of dinosaurs. Also shows you did not read nor really understand the point of the post.

Anyway the phone is the samsung s9000, so no not a cheap £5 device, "cheap" agreed as that is what she wanted to determine if she wanted an smartphone.

Are you hiding the SSID of your network? Nope, the device simply refuses to connect, we are not running anything strange, any other device (including my new Galaxy S2), connects fine. The s9000 point blank refuses to see the network and simply connect. Could it be something on the LAN? Possibly, do I want to spend any more time trying to fix the stupid thing, no thanks.

Email: Yes of course it is likely this is the case. Rather than she wants to access her personal email which the s9000 refuses to pick up. Again it is accessible from other devices, PCs, etc. Could I spend another 5 hours trying to determine why her configuration is unhappy? probably..

I could go on, but seeing as you will have already stopped listening, I will make the point again:

The suggestion of one person that because their partner works perfectly (when they are tech illiterate), with Android does not prove a thing. It only proves a single use case.

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I've had my Android phone for about 8 months now and I'm still waiting for this "effort" that I'm going to have to put into it... Hasn't happened yet. I'm getting really sick of this particular trolling comment. Maybe it's time for a new one.

My friend just got her 10 year old daughter a fairly cheap Samsung and she's having no problems with it either, so I really have to question the other commenter with his girlfriend's issues too. When I walk into any place where there in wifi, my phone pops up a notification that there's wifi available and asks if I want to connect. I set up my Gmail and corporate ActiveSync on my phone with zero problems.

However, my sister's iPhone can't see half of the wifi networks that my Android can (although they magically show up if she enters the SSID manually) and she's already had to have it replaced once because the battery was only lasting about 5-6 hours.

Luckily it's much easier to install apps onto an iPhone from the SD card than it is on Android, isn't it? Oh, wait.

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hmmm

so you admit yourself that you have no problem with other android devices, just this particular Galaxy S. Has it dawned on you that the problem may just be the device itself and not some inherent problem with android?

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"single use case"

Umm... which 'single use case' are you referring to?

The one where someone's tech-illiterate wife is able you use Android with ease, or the one where your tech-(il)?literate girlfriend's phone hardware appears to be defective?

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Pack up

"well, here’s a [i]phone that is simple to use and does what you need it to do."

Here's your side of diapers since you likely aren't smart enough to use the Loo either....

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He probably forgot to open the MAC filter that he tagged ON last time. He should try to connect another _new_ client to the router.

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Disintegrationnotallowed is right but the problem isn't Android

It's a Blasted Samsung issue and I have the same problem with my P1000 Tab.

They did something strange to their wireless manager and email client. With wireless I am constantly turning it off and then on again to get it to connect to my office and home WiFi networks but my HTC (runs Cyanogenmod) doesn't have that problem. The same goes for email, I can't speak for pop3 but Samsung's clever Email client can't delete IMAP emails from the server so if I delete the message it's gone until the next time it checks the server.

Someone at Samsung thought they needed to modify Android to make it better and they failed badly.

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Try these:

WiFi Manager

K9

AirDroid

All easily found on the marketplace, all work flawlessly on Galaxy W, all are free and the whole job will take you about 5mins to install and configure.

HTH.

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Its just about game over for the rest

The way things are heading there won't be much to tell them apart anyway, especially as its looking more and more like these two will clean up 80%+ of the smartphone market, leaving the losers behind to scrap amongst the dregs.

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The smartphone market is getting fuzzy

Well, Android is rapidly evolving now at a good clip after a slowish start. iPhone seems stuck in 2007 and little real evolution (outside of slightly improving hardware) as they're too busy with lawsuits right now. Not much innovation coming out of Apple other than rounded corners... That's pretty embarrasing. Apparently they don't feel its worth the effort (or their huge cash bundle) to spend R&D money on it.

Personally, I think Apple is exiting the smartphone business, which sounds crazy at first until you look at where the focus is. The focus is on iPad currently, and they've shifted resources to that rather than bringing out the much delayed iPhone 5 which is now closing in on a year late on the outside and 6 months late on the inside. Why might they do that? The smarphone is becoming a commodity market now, and without them being willing to take less of a profit cut, they're going to get marginalized (already occurring), and eventually forced out anyway. Another high profit margin company, Cisco (well its CEO John Chambers), states when a market goes commodity, they will exit rather than reduce the margins. Best example there is when they stopped making NICs. So it isn't out of the question Apple deciding to focus on high margin iPads instead and killing off the iPhone. The timing of Woz's statements also hint at something *possibly* afoot long term.

Of course, much of the above could be complete bollocks, and fair enough if it is. Apple has been too secretive for its own good. Maybe Cook will fix that and he is making some efforts at Glasnost to fix the worst of the Jobs era, but right now the actions of Apple are pointed towards a smartphone EXIT while they continue the tablet ramp-up.

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Meanwhile in an office in Apple Head Office

A shady characters presses a button, speaks into a mike...

...Kill him!

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.....followed by the strains of "Jerusalem" playing over the office speakers:

"Siri, you arse! I said 'kill him' not 'killer hymn.'"

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axe gravy soup

Good to see Apple has provided us with a fresh batch of "Newton" jokes for the new millenium.

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TeeCee...

...you owe me a new keyboard!

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We all love Woz but...

...what he knows about phones can just about be crammed onto the back of an envelope.

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Woz is one of the top engineers in the world. The man could probably build a phone from chips if he really wanted to. Don't belittle him just because he sees more potential in Android than in iOS.

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sour grapes!

No one like to hear the truth, cause it hurts.

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