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CES 2012 Week Don't let the Acura badges fool you, what you are looking at here is the new Honda NSX, the long overdue replacement for what many people regard as the finest handling road car ever made. Honda next-gen NSX Under the striking bodywork sits a mid-mounted V-6 VTEC engine and what Honda is calling a Sport Hybrid …

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Looks great from the side and poo from the front and back.

FACT.

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Errr no..

I think you will find that is actually an opinion and not a fact.

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Re: Errr no..

And a WRONG opinion at that.

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Concept?

Holy crap that's gorgeous.

Is it a concept, a prototype or the actual model that will go on sale, though? If it's going on sale in 2015 I think it's safe to say it's the former. Let's hope they don't have to make many changes.

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It says Concept on the plates, but the actual released Civic looks a lot like the concept, maybe Honda have worked out we all want the concept cars, not what comes out after the beancounters have put thier knife to the projects.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beer holder.

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So this is why . .

I can't get my Skydeck - too busy on the NSX.

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I was going to ask how much it was likely to cost, then I remebered that...........

...................if I needed to ask I couldn't afford it! Lovely motor.

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Go like stink?

I thought Hybrids where supposed to stink LESS

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It's Gawdgus

However, I get the feeling somehow that it might be outside of my price range....

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Hybrid?

In this case isn't it like saying a F1 car is a hybrid because they have an electric motor connected to the KERS?

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What? No pop-up headlights...

But it's still gorgeous.

For the poor/impatient, it's coming to GT5 next week! Video on youtube.

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Popup schmopup

Popups are just one more thing that can fail, and they bugger up your airflow cos they err... popup :o)

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Also they tend to do nasty things to any pedestrians you might ..er.. abruptly encounter on the road.

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Don't forget trying to open them after a snow or ice storm.

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Oh god, I want this. Not usually a car person, but I have a thing for Hondas.

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Dear Santa....

I think you know what I'm going to ask for...

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Hopefully they will hook up a 6kva diesel generator in and hook it up to a 200 amp fast charger, inverter and a nice big lion baterry bank. The 'electric' car revolution wont be won by burning anything other than diesel intially - a 6kva generator is used around about 1.5 litres of diesel an hour (charging at 200 amps, can be fine tuned to much less at less amps) using some clever software and fine tuning it would be possible to use the batterys/capacitors to provide instant peak load and start/stop the generator to provide both performance and efficiency.

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What a terrible idea. Please, please, never have anything to do with vehicle development. Ever.

Diesel indeed. In an NSX. What's next? the Mona Lisa with a tache?

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So terrible in fact that Lotus are designing engines (petrol) that work just like that. Good job they don't design cars either...er...hold on....

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He's suggesting a diesel generator with an electric engine by the sound of it, not an actual diesel engine. Having the electric driving the wheels would be fast, responsive and develop enough torque to spin the planet under the car...

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Le Mans

Ever heard of it? Peugeot/Audi diesels

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Hello gorgeous!

Nuff sed. :-)

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Nice - shame about the arse

As per Tom, bar I like the front. Side on = wowsers!

Will never own one... oh well...

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Direct drive is the way to go

Separate motors directly attached to individual wheels is absolutely the way to go for max power, control and efficiency. It makes the control electronics a minor nightmare but the simplicity (or lack) of the drive train is a huge bonus and the torque levels you can achieve at the wheels is mind-boggling. Can't understand why more manufacturers don't do it (probably because they're converting petrol/diesel shells to electric/hybrid rather than designing from scratch). The only question is why they've stopped at 3 motors and have to share power to rear wheels from single unit - can't be a question of cost surely?!.

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one rear motor allows...

...LSD-led grip/powersliding - and a simpler drivetrain if you have a conventional engine in the mix too.

You could try to get two electric motors at the wheels to work in tandem with an LSD, but I think that way only leads to lots of diff replacements as the surface changes and it eats itself up.

Wanging a big leccy motor to the gearbox output shaft (or the flywheel, or whatever) lets them keep the electric boooooost (or eco mode) without having to redesign the tried and tested limited slip diff - IE getting jiggy with some fancy electromechanical one, etc, suspect.

So not a money issue per se, more one of not reinventing the wheel. Hondas first new supercar in years, they probably don't want it to be remembered as the car that ate it's diff every thousands miles, if they get the development wrong.

Steven R

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Happy

Yes, makes sense when you put it like that. Thanks Steven.

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Using the existing transmission means more parasitic power losses (LSD's soak a lot of power). Much better to take the hi ton the electronics and use motors per wheel.

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Motors per wheel

Full electric drive is an issue when it comes to range - Teslas (the only real comparitor here) have a poor range when driven hard, and apparently the torque isn't good for gearboxes.

Hybrids at least can be filled up on the road; you can't (realistically) top up your Tesla with a new battery pack at any service station, in any country in the world. A dozen laps of the Nurburging or a a hard driven trackday, and you're driving your Tesla home on a trailer.

NSX concept? Wang some 98 RON in there and you're on your way.

Honda had enough problems shifting NSXs originally - (no-one believed Honda could make a supercar that could outhandle a Ferrari and be driven by your granny to the shops) so I doubt they'd want to limit their market even further the second time around.

Practicality is the problem. The Tesla - and all electric cars at the moment - are close to being toys, not through their marketing or intent, but just due to the nature of the power sources.

I agree, however, that full electric drive is The Way Forward; just not yet. But then, look at the Jaguar CX concept (IIRC - you know the one I mean); twin gas turbines powering the generators for four 250hp electric motors, on per wheel, direct drive of 1000hp. And 50+mpg.

Now *that's* progress.

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For sale...

Kidneys

Liver

Lung

First born

I want....

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Once you've sold your liver you won't really be in a position to appreciate the car much

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Yup...

...remember me in your will - just the car will do ;-)

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I would assume from re-reading the article that the V6 drives the rear wheels and the electric motors drive the front and assist the rears. Makes me question why not go to all electric drive (with the V6 driving an alternator) with 4 motors, eliminating the diff and allowing more computer assist in handling. I'd guess that the alternator would have to be too large and heavy to provide the requisite power.

Lovely car, except for those awful wheels. Put them back on the chrome Hummer, please.

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