Microsoft has told The Register that it has no comment on an apparently leaked copy of upgrade plans for its mobile phone operating system. The presentation, leaked to Wmpoweruser.com, predicts an upgrade to the current Mango platform in the second quarter of 2012 – dubbed Tango. Described as “products with the best prices,” …
Wmpoweruser.com is a viral marketing site created by Microsoft to pretend there is a grass roots usersbase of Windows Phone users, it's also a viral marketing tool to release "leaked" memos and such.
Don't believe the hype as they say...
I mean this genuinely,
If you believe even half the crap you spout about MS, then I sincerely suggest you see a doctor, as you are suffereing a serious bout of paranoia.
A Concerned Citizen.
Nothing paranoid about Microsoft's many astroturfing sites. Like the Zune fan sites that always had lots of traffic whenever a new Zune product came out, but were utterly desolate between releases. Astroturfing is Microsofts middle name these days.
To: Dana W: Actually the lack of logic ought to be fairly obvious.
This leak (if genuine - another point which should be taken into account) suggests that Windows Phone will not support high res screens, amongst other needed improvements, until almost 2013. This if anything is bloody embarrassing for Redmond and certainly does not support the accusation of officially sanctioned astroturfing in this particular instance. If this was leaked by someone within MS it rather suggests internal conflict and someone unhappy with the pace of development of the Apollo upgrade. When assessing an alleged leak from a major conglomerate like MS one should always take into account the likelihood that internal turf wars may be at least *part* of the equation or indeed the possibility that it is FUD generated by an outside player.
"leaked to Wmpoweruser.com" says it all. At the risk of Mr Boobies telling me I need to see a doctor.
Not that it proves anything, but wmpoweruser.com is registered to M S Davids (as in Microsoft against the mobile Goliaths)?
Anyway, after that little bit of paranoid conspiracy theory, I can't help notice that at least 2 of the posters in this conversation only ever login to post pro Windows Mobile, or anti iPhone and Android.
Not that it proves anything.
RE: ""leaked to Wmpoweruser.com" says it all." With all respect old chap, not it does not.
When it comes to the murky world of astroturfing and FUDing I recommend reading one of John le Carre's Cold War espionage novels to get a flavour of how to try and work out what is going on. It is perfectly possible (in theory at any rate) that this is FUD fed to Wmpoweruser by a source they believe they can trust but is in fact compromised. I am not say that it *is* the case, I am just saying that the assumption in your posting is *not* the only possible explanation for what *may* be going on here.
Who are these people then? Cos I certainly aint.
I post to try and balance the crap #some# people post, but I think I'm pretty balanced, having used WP and android a lot, and as I explained in another thread, use an android modded touchpad, linux in my work as well as Macs and Windows stuff.
Don't be so ridiculous. Do you work for Apple or Google or something? Most people on this site seem to feel that if you like a company, you must work for them, and if you hate a company, you must work for their competitor. So come clean!
Hah - I'm way too incoherent and inconsistent to be a shill
I post any old rubbish that takes my fancy.
What I don't do is post at the prompting of a noble and selfless motivation to defend a the honour of a poor, helpless capitalist mega-corporation. I'm just too old and jaded to invest any emotional attachment in bytes and tin, and no bugger will shell out the meagre fee I demand to prostitute myself.
It's amusing to imagine some of the most pro-this and anti-that mono-topical posters contributing from adjoining beige cubicles in some PR sweatshop.
"Meanwhile rumblings from within Nokia suggest that the hardware design teams are ready with next generation handsets, but lack the software to make them work to their best extent. Not getting support for HD and multi-core processors for an extra year will give Android and Apple a massive lead, and make it hard for Microsoft to attract developers to its cause. "
Gee, perhaps ditching Symbian and Meego was a bit premature, isn't it?
Perhaps they can bring out yet another Belle phone but this time with a decent AUTOFOCUS-camera! Are you listening Nokia!!!! Stop crippling Symbian phones in favour of winphone device. We deserve a PROPER N8 upgrade too.
Like I said before. An N9 with Symbian and Lumia's 1.4GHz cpu (at least) and ALSO with 64GB internal memory... and YES, also in WHITE!
Anyway. it'll take yet another year before Winphone is just that little bit more tollerable. Oh god, when will they finally make phones that ppl actually want?
"Gee, perhaps ditching Symbian and Meego was a bit premature, isn't it?"
Yep. My thoughts as well. Nokia is theoretically an independent company, not a division of Microsoft. While It is too late now to revive Symbian, but it isn't too late to quickly pop Android on a modern multicore device in order to get the Nokia brandname out there on a premium device that people will buy in volume. If they want to sell WinMobe, fine. But they need to make money and pay the bills as well.
You don't understand
Microsoft OWNS Nokia.
I think you'll find that one of the clauses in Nokia's Faustian contract with MS will state that they are not allowed to bring out phones using any other 3rd party OS.
Or with the next version of the OS formerly known as Symbian...
Nokia seems to be following the Nerdy Nutcase school of alphabetical order in OS names, the next version should start with C, after Anna and Belle. And since Anna and Belle are both feminine names, could Cunny be the next Nokia OS name?
Nonsense, Nokia still sell symbian phones.
Good point. Although normally there are some non-performance clauses in to allow the vendor to diversify if necessary. Although, I wouldn't count on Nokia having as good of contract attorneys than Microsoft...
re: You don't understand
"Microsoft OWNS Nokia."
That's not quite right, how's this?
"Microsoft PWNS Nokia."
Sorted! (OK, a little evil on my part... I'll be better next year as one of my resolutions)
The OMAP that the N9 has is better than the SnapDragon from Qualcomm. Don't just look at the Mhz but the entire package. The OMAP has functionality missing in the SnapDragon. If anything the 4xxx series would be a far better choice than anything from Qualcomm.
MeeGo/Maemo is far better than Symbian.
M$ keeps getting dumber and dumberer
Like really. What's up with them? They keep releasing their products super late in a life cycle and then are all like "Oh yeah our stuff is so amazing and great and everyone will want it"
When pretty much everyone I talk to is like "I hate MS. Their stuff sucks. I hate bing. I hate winpho7"
Maybe M$ should like you know, push people to get their software out. But I guess if they did that it wouldn't work.
Not that it's going to work anyway.
Its called "doing a Sendo". They have to pretend to release phones they think will appear to do ok but know deep down are shit so they fail, thus dragging down their "partner" so they can grab their IP for a song when they lie there, battered, bleeding and dying. Its brutal, but when you're plumb out of innovation ideas and your developers are deserting in droves its your only option.
I rather like WP7. Its pretty fast, it's oddly stable, and strangely it just works.
My other half has a Samsung Galaxy S2, which the Android enthusiasts seem to think is currently the mutts nuts. However at least once a day, despite being quite a calm and collected young lady, I hear my beloved uttering the phase "what the **** is it doing now?"
I also think that Android would be a little more immune to Apple's patent trolling if it didn't look like Google ripped off iOS by having someone buy an iPhone and then describe its UI over a slightly knackered Skype connection.
"Like really. What's up with them? They keep releasing their products super late in a life cycle and then are all like "Oh yeah our stuff is so amazing and great and everyone will want it" "
Well, I'm still waiting on proper Cairo release which was ahead of its time. It's been 20 years, the project was cancelled, but bits of it keep coming out anyway. :)
I don't hate MS, but I'm not as fond of them as I was in the 90's and early 2K's. Most of what is causing an overall PR problem has been that Ballmer has proven himself to be quite unlikeable, with a complete lack of charisma which doesn't help my impression of the overall company any. He is the antithesis of Jobs.
Welcome to Great Smell of Brut
Thanks for signing up just to say that.
Had it's heyday more than 20 years ago, much like Microsoft.
Re:Thanks for signing up just to say that.
Amazing he just happened to be passing really !
I happen to agree with your late release point regarding MS
But really, the whole "M$" thing is somewhat immature as is the anti MS tone of your post
Your point is perfectly valid and i completely agree but perhaps consider taking a somewhat more diplomatic / mature approch to your argument.
Well, I've been here for a while
And I like my WP7 phone. Had a Nexus One, and upgraded to a Samsung Galaxy SII, realised that it solved none of my frustrations with Android and tried out the Focus S. Considerably lighter and thinner than the SII, and a far better experience all around.
But I'm just a Microsoft shill, of course.
Re:Thanks for signing up just to say that.
I know, my first post since signing up in 2009, must learn to lurk moar
I am happy with my android phone, it may not be the fastest, but it does what I want and any phone that got NFC i will stay well clear of.
All on plan then.
Well yes, its called the N8/9 (as in what can be crammed into a shell)....
I've kinda supported the merger in the past but the new software can't handle hard tech that's a year plus old? That's a big ball drop there...
possible NFC support
That would be NFC as in "No Freaking Chance" ???
So, as an executive, I'm in a conference with other multinational executives and instead of exchanging a business card we touch phones??? I'm sorry, which dip stick thought this was a market winner. Guys? Come on now?
I'm a tech geek and even I think this is stupid.
"So, as an executive, I'm in a conference with other multinational executives and instead of exchanging a business card we touch phones???"
Do you really think that's all NFC is for? Google Wallet allows you to pay for things over NFC instead of your credit card. It isn't a huge deal yet, but it will be.
Paying with stuff by Mobile
I'm sorry, but paying for stuff by mobile is probably the single dumbest idea ever. Convergence has been the goal of phone companies now for at least 10 years. They want your phone to be your everything device. Phones nowadays are supposed to be your internet access, your MP3 player, your games device, your camera. Now they also want to be your wallet as well. The biggest problem I have is that the phone is generally not very good at all the other things, and you can't prioritise battery usage. If I'm carrying an MP3 player and a separate phone I can run the battery to the ground in my MP3 player without worrying about the phone not being usable. I know with NFC it is theoretically possible for the NFC chip to work for a few more transactions after your battery has died. But the most secure versions of NFC require you to enter a PIN before using them - you won't be entering a PIN on a touch screen phone with no battery.
Just imagine how bad it is when a credit card is declined. The first time I had a card declined (due to a connection being down to Visa) I went out and made sure I had a choice of cards - one Visa, one MasterCard and one American Express. Also with cards, if the chip fails for some reason (or the NFC fails) you can swipe it. And if the mag strip fails, you can usually write or type the number in. I know with something like Google Wallet you can store more than one card in the phone, but if the NFC device has failed, or you are out of battery, you are screwed. Already I don't use the MP3 player on my phone because of the fear it will run the battery down and stop me making an important call. Do the phone manufacturers want me to stop using my phone for calling because I am concerned about being unable to pay for dinner, or pay for my tube ticket home.
To be honest, it will end up going the same way as technologies like bluetooth. Used for a few niche things, but it won't revolutionise the way we pay for stuff.
It doesn't even matter that it's a day late and a dollar short compared to all the competition. Nobody cares about windows phone.
I can't even think of what MS would have to do at this point to make people change their minds, but windows phone 7 is not even on the radar. Apple for quality and brand recognition, Android the same to a lesser extent, and lower end smartphones, Blackberry for enterprise or planning riots... that's about it. Unless MS do something spectacular to get people interested, they're out in the cold.
I weep for poor old Nokia.
Re: Nobody cares
Don't weep for Nokia. They were paid something north of a billion dollars from Microsoft for access to their install base.
... Neither Nokia or MS consider a billion $ to be a large amount of money, both are worth many times that, obviously MS by another order of magnitude but still, 1 Billion is Dr Evil chump money.
For Micosoft? You are right, $1B is almost a rounding error, but for Nokia $1B is a LOT of money in the here and now. Their market cap is down to $14B (down from $42B just a year ago), and is approaching a point where the assets might be worth more than the company itself *if* they can't stem the tide, QUICKLY. Otherwise, there won't be a Nokia this time next year, it'll get Ch7'd (or the Euro equivalent). It's hard to get the needed loans to manufacture and just your day to day operations when your stock descends into Junk status... No bank will touch you at that point. (I've worked for a company whose stock completely collapsed, things got interesting). An article I just ran into this morning from Trefis that isn't sounding promising either. Windows Phone 7's market share has actually gone down to 1.5% from 2.7% in Q3 2011, and Symbian also dropped by half again to 17%. To put in in perspective, as has been mentioned before, Linux Desktops have more market share than Winmobe 7 now. Nokia just failed to get is new phones adopted in its own stronghold of Europe, and is now trying in the US, where it almost (or did) disappeared entirely of the shelves last year? Without recent brand name recognition in the"ADD/Twitter" age, who in the US is going to buy the phone? Its almost like starting totally new again.
Now I'm depressed. After having looked at today's reports on Nokia, the stock watchers/vultures have pretty much started the death clock on Nokia now, and the wolves are now circled waiting to rip it apart, with the vultures looking down on a snack when they're done. I liked Nokia in its heyday. I'll raise a glass to it, and wish it a happy 2012 all the same. May it fare better than it appears.
I agree that.....
....Nokia isn't long for this world.
Their chances of having their Windows Phone, er, phones, turn into blow-out sales success stories in the States, a place where their brand name recognition is now virtually nil, is quite low, if they haven't managed to do the same in their own home market in Europe.
I'll be curious to see them take their shot in the U.S., but if the just leaked roadmap is accurate, that roll-out will not only be exceedingly slow---no plans for 4G LTE until at least mid year, and no high res screen or multi core support until at least 4Q 2012---and will apparently focus on low end devices just this side of feature phone status.
I think that Nokia's decision to knee-cap Symbian as early as they did may prove to be a fatal mistake for the future of the company.
The least interesting leak in history
There is nothing new here, move along. Win 8 mobile is dead before it starts. All technicals and feature/function aside. It is not as though consumers are saying "I would really love to have a Microsoft based phone, if only they could work out these issues." Consumers don't want a Microsoft phone because it is a Microsoft phone. What people will not admit is that smartphones are purchased more as fashion accessories than for any particular feature/function. Microsoft is seen as a maker of out-dated 1990s era office products.
Wasn't Mango going to push WP7 ahead of IOS and Android? By the time Tango comes out, it will be time for Android 4.1........
Depends on what you mean by "ahead". If you mean "higher customer satisfaction", "more awards", "faster-growing marketplace" then yeah, it is "ahead". If you mean "sales" then no, it isn't. But then again, the biggest selling car of all time is the Toyota Corolla.
I'll leave that thought with you.
Here is another thought: Most of the people slagging off Windows Phone here are saying that it's not used by many people, therefore it's rubbish. Exactly the same argument that the same people discount as irellivant when applied to Linux on the desktop.
The argument is irrelivant, userbase is not usually a pointer to quality of a product. Look at the readership of the Sun compared to the readership of Private Eye or The Times or The Guardian.
' If you mean "higher customer satisfaction", "more awards", "faster-growing marketplace" then yeah, it is "ahead".'
Let me know when dual core mobile phones offer something extra.
Oh, so cynical!
They allow semicompetent UI (or UX, as they're apparently called these days) devs to continue to write swooshy slidy interfaces without worrying about the fact that their grievously unoptimised eye-candy is crippling the usefulness of the hardware. By way of a bonus, it stimulates the economy by requiring you to charge up twice as often.
They already offer 1080p video recording, faster web page rendering and better gaming.
You may not like it, but others certainly do!
Well I'm over the moon with my Windows Phone. And my wife just got one after an having been stuck with an Android phone for the last two years, and she's loving hers too. You naysayers can slag it off all you like, but the truth is, it's a lovely product. Perhaps you should try using one before disregarding it. And it really doesn't need battery-draining dual core processors to make it run smoothly like Android does.
FUD about dual-core, battery draining and Android
Look, I have a single core Android phone with a pathetic battery (1230mAh) but it runs smooth all the time. I know there are bad phones out there and some with awful customisations but a vanilla Android will run smoothly and very happily on a single core phone. A dual-core handset will not drain more battery and, if anything, should use less battery overall.
I don't count Sense as an awful customisation even if others do. It gave Android the first useful copy and paste and adds a lot to stock Android but I know it isn't for everyone.
Last point to note is that I have a Windows Phone 7 (Samsung Omnia 7) and while it's smooth in use and I quite like it the battery life is somehow less even with a larger battery than my Android phone (Desire HD) - 1500mAh to 1230mAh. Both are a year old yet less than an hour after I took it off charge the Omnia was showing 6% battery gone and I'd barely used it.
I will never understand why people feel the need to put something down or spread FUD.