Internet users have called for a boycott of web hosting giant Go Daddy over its public support of the Stop Online Piracy Act in the US. While the company has publicly supported SOPA and similarly controversial proposed legislation for months, its position went largely unnoticed until a thread on Reddit gained legs yesterday. …
I'm sure Bob Hoskins
is just trembling in his elephant-shooting boots.
Hoskins, Parsons, whatever. Bob something. It's the 23rd of December, what are you doing sober?
Who's sober here?
It's good to talk drunk.
I think you missed something..
The last bit about how big their business is and how this isn't hurting them ..
"Go Daddy has received some emails that appear to stem from the boycott prompt, but we have not seen any impact to our business. We understand there are many differing opinions on the SOPA regulations."
Go Daddy says it registers, renews or transfers a domain name every second. It is responsible for well over a third of all .com domains registered today, not including its resellers' sales.
Its pretty obvious bluster, they are hurting and they are afraid of anyone figuring that out.
Continue the attack!!
Screw em ...
... I'm not moving my GD sites.
"SOPA will compel American internet users to use workaround DNS services operated by criminals overseas, increasing the likelihood of phishing and fraud."
Only if said American Internet users are intent on dealing with phishing and fraudulent sites. Isn't SOPA meant to stop them from unwittingly doing business with such sites?
That might be the intent, but in reality the only ones who will really get hurt by this is the legitimate sites and users.
It is actually extremely difficult to steer clear of being an infringer based on the wording of SOPA.
Use European based DNS servers - Hardly rocket science!
@KjetilS Lets have the the reasoning behind "extremely difficult to steer clear of ..." statement. Not some Google shill site parroting bollocks but real actual wording of the act as of today. Google are pissed cos they have already been caught flogging counterfeit drugs, and this may make it harder for them to do the same again. So information from none theives, and none profiteers from counterfeiters would be cool.
Yes and none of the sites that were took down by ICE earlier this year were legit. Well except for the ones that were taken down that were legitimate. SOPA allows the RIAA and the MPAA to take down sites at will without allowing the sites an opportunity to defend themselves. But I guess the RIAA has never falsely accused anyone of stealing before so we don't have to worry about it happening again.
Americans especially have been living in a strange place since 911. They claim freedom yet beg for the protection that an all pervasive State claims to give. That protection involves blindfolds, gags and chains. Your elections are an illusion run on privately owned secret software.
It is ironic that the terrors of Communism you thought you have defeated are being rolled on to you by your capitalist owners. Wake up!!!
Nope - i'm doing better things on December 29th. Besides I've got another european based registrar to whom domains will be moved if GD should become a problem for me.
Until then this event won't register the smallest blip on the GD control panel. You can't change monsters but you can avoid them.
Several posts have commented that they may move their domains.
Whilst thist might seem the way to avoid SOPA, IMHO, it is not.
As long as you have a domain whoose TLD is controlled by a US Company then the long arm of SOPA can get you taken down.
You have to move to a different TLD as hinted at in the article.
The US Gov or its agents can instruct any registrar of a .com or other US based TLD to be removed. There is not DMCA appeals or anything. You are dead, gone, buried.
As John Cleese would say,
"This is an ex-domain."
I fear the next step for the SOPA supporters is to 'persuade' other countries that SOPA is a jolly good thing and get them to sign up thus extending the reach of SOPA to other TLD's.
re: moving domains
You seem to have missed the point of the boycott - it's to persuade GD to stop supporting the proposed act, not to avoid infringing or becoming a victim of it should it be enacted.
rejected != refuted
"Go Daddy's Jones has refuted this, writing last month: "
Refute: vb - Prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove.
Reject: vb - Dismiss as inadequate, inappropriate, or not to one's taste.
I see nothing in her statement that proves that it will not break DNSSEC except that she finds this "hard to imagine" (how much tech knowledge does a "General Counsel" have?)
As for "I have to believe that the average person doesn’t want to commit a crime", she complains about "rhetoric" and "regurgitated lobbying spin", yet she's doing exactly the same by parroting the words of the MPAA/ RIAA who are still trying to redefine the language by saying that people are "stealing" music because the media industry want to keep using an obsolete (but profitable to them) revenue model.
Hey Einstien ...
... how does DNS filtering of pirate site break DNSSEC, but DNS filter of spam sites does not?
It's not just technical issues that are a problem, the legislation could effectively "break" DNSSEC:
When you get down to it security and privacy measures are pretty much diametrically opposed to censorship and monitoring measures. You can't stop people doing something if you can't see what they're doing and block it.
Only intersection of spam with this topic?
My main consideration would be the spammers, who are still the #1 problem of email and who are still funded primarily via their spammer websites. From that perspective, I might consider GoDaddy's arguments as having slight merit. Since their is no mention of spam in the original article and only one mention in the comments (in the post to which I'm replying), then I take it their position is not strongly related to stopping spammers.
Ergo, nothing I've read so far has made a persuasive defense of SOPA. Awful or terrible is not a major distinction.
@Ramshackle Those self same 'experts' in that stupid article are the self same 'experts' that devised DNS filtering for spammer sites.
Baa, Baa DNS filtering BAAAD, Baa, Baa, DNS filtering Good.
Just another hosting service to avoid, then.
Glad I'm not hosting with them. Be interesting to see what he's got to say in a years' time, mind.
Their support is shite
That's why I don't use them. I left when it became apparent that they truly hate customers.
On the bright side
It could lead to the end to those annoying Danica Patrick ads(*).
(*) Assuming any Danica Patrick ad isn't annoying
US Webmasters need not worry
United States Senator Roy Blunt wrote this in response to a letter questioning SOPA:
"I am a cosponsor of the Protect IP Act which would cut off foreign websites dedicated to counterfeiting and piracy that steal American jobs, hurt the economy, and harm customers. It would allow the Justice Department to file a civil action against those who have registered or own a domain name linked to an infringing website. The bill does not allow the Justice Department to target domain names registered by a U.S. entity."
Read that last bit again: " The bill does not allow the Justice Department to target domain names registered by a U.S. entity."
So if the nasty pirates are American, there's nothing SOPA can do about it. Epic Fail!
If the pirates are in America, then they are already under jurisdiction
SOPA can't touch them, but it doesn't need to. There's a reason most "nasty pirate" websites are not hosted on American soil...
That still means that companies that aren't in the US can be blocked completely from the US - even companies who make most of their money from American traffic.
The RIAA/MPAA can already just block any US site without evidence by having a quick word with their friends in homeland security.
Apart from the genius of banning a site for playing music that the same record company had sent them to promote - you have to be a little suspicious when it's the anti-terrorist department of Homeland security that's blocking a music site. So the SOPA would never of course be used to block access to an Occupy or Greenpeace or anti-war or Democratic party site
Oppressors don't have a political party
so you can also see it being used on conservative, Republican, or pro-gun sites.
GoDaddy's shoddy service,...
...deceptive TOS, and scummy marketing tactics were already plenty of reasons for any knowledgeable sysadmin to avoid them. Who needs another to boycott them?
Sounds like another load of hot air from those making a fuss.
Now don't get me wrong, SOPA is the biggest threat to internet freedom ever. Just have to imagine how many forum mods are going to be pulling posts left, right and center for fear of falling foul of this utterly shit law should it be enacted, thus losing their sites for weeks in court hearings.
I just see a lot of people shouting about moving their domains off GD and I wonder how many will actually bother to do it and how much of difference it will make to GD? From what I gather GD are pretty much a laughing stock but they do hold shedloads of domains, how many will it have to lose before it tips the balance and makes them actually sit up and take notice?
I sincerely hope that they do bring GD down for this but in the long run way to many other companies are supporting this SOPA shit. If you want to make a difference refuse to by any of Disney's lowest common-denominator shite, picket the various Disney stores for example. That would make a real difference if a big player like Disney suddenly took a massive smack in the chops from consumers over this, in addition it can involve everyone not just geeks who understand the niche area such as domain administration.
Any time the geeks get riled a lot of hot air is expended saying this and that will happen ( anonymous bring down Facebook? ) but in the end it never comes to pass as there simply isn't the numbers, you need something everyone can get behind. Stop buying DVDs, CDs, MP3s from iTunes or the latest cack meal plus Disney toy from Burger King. If everyone did that for just one weekend all over the world, these companies would pull out quicker than a TV evangelist caught in a motel room!
A well-reasoned post, thank you. I rather think we get the world we (ie, the majority) really want. And most want Disney, Burger King etc, the true opiate of the masses. Most -ie not the typical Reg reader - would neither know nor care about the implications of SOPA, and sadly, that's the way it will always be.
Well non-us piracy sites should be happy in theory. if they submit themselves to be blocked then the majority of the idiot laden big companies when they do a google search it will turn up nothing where as the rest of the world, and smart people in the US that will swap to a EU DNS server will be free to browse, and pirate as much as they want off the sites.
Ahh ways to abuse this
What the fuck is wrong for buying fake and cheap stuff?
Says the person who has OBVIOUSLY never owned a REAL Gucci handbag. *sniff*
The unwashed masses should never have a say in what we, the true People, must do, for the Good of All. Besides, Everyone knows that only the poor, destitute Criminal Class buys cheap merchandise.
I'd rather buy the real stuff because I generally believe the quality will reflect the higher cost, which tends to be true most of the time.
But then I bought the Monster Dr Dre Tour Beats headphones, and their quality was crap. Within the duration of 6 months they broke twice because of the cable becoming 'loose' at one or both ends. For £100+ headphones, they're not much better than £40 Sennheiser CX300--I bet the price was mostly for the packaging and brand name. Had I known a lot of people would be walking around with them, that they don't stick in your ear when walking, and that the manufacturing was shoddy, I would never had even considered buying them for their style.
Why mention this story(?), because a friend's fake headphones were just as good in terms of sound quality and not much more than a tenner-- but then he doesn't have the oh-so-pretty packaging that gathers dust, like I do.
I admit, mistakes were made--and no matter how many times I lash myself, the past cannot be changed.
It's a legitimate concern for some companies.
Petzl - the headlamp and climbing gear company - came in for a lot of flak for supporting SOPA because they have a reasonable concern that buying fake climbing gear from "petzl.cn" might get people killed - as well as costing them sales.
+1 - buyer beware. If you want a $10 Rolex that loses a hour a day what's the fucking problem? Rolex haven't lost a sale it's not like you could afford one. ffs. I bet the directors of big corps. all sit around patting each other on the back telling each other how strong their brands identity is. Yet they get all pissy about counterfeit goods being bought by poor plebs who can only aspire to the lifestyle they sell. bullshit
You wanna crimb mountain?
If you up the Matterhorn with gear you only pretend you are sure about, you get all you deserve.
People still have sites with GD? ;-)
Quite frankly I think GD is a very good company when it comes to domain registration, SSL certificates and stuff in between (free e-mail with your domain for example; its a nice gesture).
But for everything else I'm not too happy with them anymore, especially not their hosting services. I got a 'virtual dedicated server' running on CentOS 5 and a freely "turbo admin panel" (which isn't too shabby; even written in Java which is IMO pretty solid). Of course I replaced it with Webmin and everything seemed just fine. The server was located in their Dutch data center in Amsterdam and I guess I was one of the "early adopters" (not that early; but early enough).
The server ran excellent for 2 years (I rented it for 3). Right until the moment I wanted to utilize it for more serious business 2 months ago. For reasons totally unknown it became heavily unresponsive, sometimes it would be unreachable for hours, only until I performed a reboot.
At first I suspected a DoS of some sort, but research showed that there was no such thing going on. There was some heavy UDP traffic, but that was due to the Bind DNS server running on it. Support could only tell me that "the server responded fine after a reboot" which was absolutely true. Unfortunately that moment only lasted so long after which things became unresponsive again.
I didn't even bother anymore and moved on.
Do The Right Thing...Whatever You Think That Is
I'm not in favour of SOPA and I wasn't very impressed with Hoskins' elephant antics. The justifications given for both appear commercially driven at best, and rather arrogant at worst.
I'm a GoDaddy customer but I'll be moving my domains to another registrar now. Not because I expect that to have any impact on GoDaddy's profits, but because my conscience tells me it's the right thing to do. That's reason enough.
Hang on...Bob Hoskins? Oh you know who I mean.
I've contributed some effort to spread awareness within the Bitcoin community at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=55491
WRONG SIR, WRONG
YOU PIRATED FIZZY LIFTING DRINKS, YOU BUMPED INTO THE CEILING WHICH NOW HAS TO BE WASHED, AND STERILIZED, SO YOU GET NOTHING. YOU LOSE. GOOD DAY SIR.
the big ones are starting to move
Jimmy Wales has announced that Wikipedia will be leaving GoDaddy over this. https://twitter.com/#!/jimmy_wales/status/150287579642740736"
Though given the number of complaints about their services I keep seeing on Digg, I'm surprised more people haven't buggered off already.
This is like motherhood, read the promo, the blurb, and it looks all nice, bright, glowy, and intrinsically ...
However the means, the method, the execution, are more akin to rape.
Thanks but no thanks.
Even a dumb blond can pick the difference.
Quickest backpedal ever
It seems they now no longer support SOPA. My my, it seems money talks...
Quickest backpedal ever?
Not backpedalling, just waiting for things to quiet down
They've been working with Congresscritters for some three years to draft SOPA, so they're not really backpedalling. This is just a matter of waiting until the hue and cry dies down, to allow the bill to be introduced quietly: "Getting [SOPA] right is worth the wait... as a company that is all about innovation, with our own technology and in support of our customers, Go Daddy is rooted in the idea of First Amendment Rights and believes 100 percent that the Internet is a key engine for our new economy," weaseled [GoDaddy CEO].
I think gotrdaddy needs their toy taken from them. I'll be moving the domains I have with them as soon as alternates are in place.
IMHO GD == Spam
I have found that roughly 40% of the spam I get is somehow linked to either a GD or PP domain
(if we ignore the apnic traffic).
For my personal use, blacklisting GD and PP domains works well. -Very few GD domains need whitelisting.
Note that I did contact GD regarding the abusive domains they were hosting (obvoiusly fakes reg details, proof of clicktrhoughs etc) but never recvd a single response over a period of two or so years and the spam domains remained active... Perhaps if GD were to start removing some of these domains and some of the clickservers they host, thier legal and moral ethics would hold some water.
American freetards rejoice
You will continue to be allowed to steal.
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