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When the online tool YouHaveDownloaded.com jumped onto the hit parade last week, most people reacted with a kind of cautious paranoia, wondering how much of their BitTorrent use was easily discoverable. That is, after all, what the site is ostensibly about: using the IP addresses published by BitTorrent users (and the files they …

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Site's full of it

Went to that site myself, and it listed my IP address, called me a pirate - and then presented me with a list of movies and ebooks I'd never even heard of, let alone downloaded. It didn't get even ONE thing right (that is, it didn't name one thing I *had* actually downloaded.) Not only that, but it got my physical location wrong on the order of about a thousand kilometres, and in a different state.

So I'd question the veracity of their statements about the RIAA and Universal et al downloading stuff illegally, too.

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Gil

Erm that's the whole point of it.

It demonstrates just how flawed the current system of linking piracy to an IP address is.....

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Likely you have a dynamic IP

Like most domestic internet connections.

You're seeing the history of that IP, not yourself - shows how unreliable using IP to claim an individual did something really is.

Corporate IPs tend to be static though,especially if they self-host anything like VPN, webmail etc.

So I'd say that it's a pretty good bet that the corporate results are accurate. Linking to a specific individual is much more difficult, and I would not rely on any IP to individual mapping at all.

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So...

You are on a dynamic IP address that others have been using...

or

The site uses the same methods as the RIAA... that is pulls stuff out of it's butt.

Don't think the RIAA and the rest would be on dynamic address.

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Dynamic v static

Large organizations like RIAA et al. are typically assigned large blocks of address all within a particular range. Individual users are more likely to have dynamic addresses.

Info may be wrong for any one individual, but still strongly points to some misdoings within the RIAA.

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Irony

I have several dozen torrents running, and the site doesn't see any of them.

Looking around the site and at the Facebook comments, the creators come across as attention-seeking jerks who don't care much about accuracy or what consequences the site has. They didn't build it to bring attention to privacy and tracking issues; they did it to have a laugh at others' expense.

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But in my case.....

....with my cable IP address which has been the same for over two years, it got my geographic location correct but said that I had never downloaded anything. I have in fact been busy using BitTorrent to download movies, TV series and music for a long time. Could this be because I use Peer Block and a firewall and only open up the BT transfer port for the duration of the download session?

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Devil

Dynamic IP by any chance?

1. Are you on a dynamic IP?

2. Does your ISP do transparent proxying?

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Perhaps that is the idea?

If the RIAA say that the data is wrong, what does that say about using torrent sourced IP addresses for any action (fines, disconnections, etc.)?

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Maybe, maybe not

Depends on your client, some download things within a torrent that you've explicity told it not to (even transmission does this), also some clients request local peers to download parts of torrents they are interest in (on your behalf) and you cache it for them.

Also your location might be wrong depending on any transparent proxies that the ISP uses (again depending on your torrent client, which may or may not use proxies), it might be that (if your IP is not fixed, or has changed recently) that their data is out of date.

>>So I'd question the veracity of their statements about the RIAA and Universal et al downloading stuff illegally, too.

Yea, maybe - but if they are it could be valid, if it's part of an investigation or if it's their material and they are assessing the spread of pirate copies (which can affect the timescales of going to DVD etc.), having written some apps myself I've been waiting for my code to appear on a torrent with a crack, nothing so far - I just aint that popular :-)

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Not that the site authors care about this. If anyone mentions it, they say its just for fun, or just to show that torrents aren't secure.

I'd be a little more worried about false positives.

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Anonymous Coward

Easy, rent!

Rent a seedbox and let someone else worry! Alright they can still trace you but at least they have to go through another country's legal system to obtain the required data before they catch up with you!

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Anonymous Coward

Good point.

All of the excuses you just mentioned are just as valid for individuals. When the RIAA or any entity goes after you, it's best not to answer any questions, but to simply remain silent, and once discussed with your lawyer, then deny everything, especially the knowledge of the events. The accusers have the burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt.

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Re: rent a seedbox

Rent? As in pay money for? Do people do this? I though the point of piracy was living off other people's willingness to pay for things, not paying hosting rent yourself?

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Torrent addict

The site doesnt show anything for me; so the GFWoC DOES have its uses!!!!

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Great find! This is one of the reason I come here!

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Dynamic IP

The website doesn't seem to take into account that many people are stil on dynamic IPs.

I can see what other people have downloaded on this IP but the garbage text waffles on about it being *me*.

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Presumably

that's because if anyone decides to sue you for stealing films, they won't have a clue about dynamic IPs either.

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Indeed...

Dynamic IPs would explain some of the odd reports for home users, but the RIAA and Homeland Sec will have fixed.

Mine came up completely clean, which is pretty good. Even more so as I have a dynamic, which means nobody else who was leased the IP from the pool has been a naughty boy either.

Yeah, I know, the site must be broken!

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Anonymous Coward

roflmfao

talk about one law for us etc etc etc

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It's all good

As long as they keep shipping pirates off to prison, it's all good.

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Trollface

you forgot your icon

Here you go

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I agree

Prison is the bet place for pirates. The actions of pirates can never be condoned. Ever.

As for alleged copyright infringers, that should be a civil matter and once costs/losses have been paid that should be the end of it.

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Anonymous Coward

Please open your home to the hypocrite police, they will be round shortly.

The troll police are already checking under your bridge.

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Pirate

What the hell do you have against Somali gentlemen of fortune?

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Mushroom

Misssed the point?

It would appear that the HS staff also fly the skull and crossbones.

Now, be off with you and go and pester the Homeland Security instead for being two-faced.

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@AC

You're right, you've been trolled*

He's differentiated between the "Be prepared to be boarded" pirates, and copyright "pirates".

* Or maybe I have too.

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@BigYin

I couldn't agree more, however I sincerely hope the RIAA and the local plod's methods for verifying the correct identity of copyright infringers simply from their IP addresses, is now 100% fool proof! If not you'll could well find yourself being woken early one morning by the local constabulary kicking in your door on the premise that they think you ripped off a handful of MP3s!

I make the assumption you have a PC at home and an internet connection? What am I saying, the RIAA and plod don't care about such technical trivialities, they still hauled in all those naughty non-computer owning grannies some time back didn't they!

With absolute shit websites like the one on discussion here, where the owners are simply interested in stirring up crap and making a name for themselves, no one is safe from some complete twat in the RIAA and ACS:Law type companies, who think they now have an easy way to catch anyone they damn well please in order to make another PR coup!

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It's not going to help with shipping pirates anywhere since it fails to list the location of any dinghies full of armed Somalians.

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Devil

Uhm, TESTING, that's it, we were testing the system, ayup ...

... gotta think like a crim to catch crims, and so on. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

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"It Wasn't Me!" etc

Remember that they could also store timestamps and DHT machine fingerprints in their database; the sorts of things that are much better at working out who is who even behind DHCP/PAT whatever.

They might, not of course. Nothing like a little paranoia though, is there?

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I thought the consensus was this site was mostly a hoax?

Browsing the slashdot comments last week, much was made of the indicators that the site was a joke.

Furthermore, it seems to have misreported pretty much everyone that comments on it, including my static IP at home and work.

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Anonymous Coward

I missed an episode of a popular program a couple of weeks ago, so I torrented it (I tried to watch it on Hulu first, but it was acting up that night). When I checked my home IP address, that Torrent showed up. So they're getting some records right.

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Anonymous Coward

I don't download music or videos and the records on the site reflect this. But the message:

"Wow!!

Are you sure you and your friends don’t work for the RIAA? Maybe Sony or Universal? Maybe you’re both just really good at covering your tracks."

is offensive.

It is basically saying "We have no evidence against you which means you either work for us or are good at hiding it.". There is nothing in the message to say they believe me innocent because of the lack of evidence, just that they haven't found it yet.

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Offensive?

Get over yourself. To use your technique of "basically saying", your post is along the lines of "I'm a pious person who doesn't torrent so went to that site to feel smug about it and missed a joke and decided to get all upset"

Although it also strikes me that you've completely missed the point of what the site is trying to achieve, and also that it's not owned by the RIAA or any similar company - it's an enterprising tech demonstrating that torrents are a country mile away from being anonymous.

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New goldmine

Maybe someone should send a "settlement"-letter to them? What is good for the goose....

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Pirate

Yes, they are going to find other anti-piracy organisations on torrents

because that's how they get a list of peers.

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Anonymous Coward

If your IP address is on that site then you deserve to be caught for being stupid enough to use Torrents in the first place

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Plonker

It seems to be pretty clear that your IP being listed proves absolutely nothing about whether you actually illegally download stuff. At most it shows where you live, but that doesn't mean torrents were ever downloaded from the location the IP is currently tied to.

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Much Laughter!

Well, I'm a pirate. It's true, I admit it, I steal from the corporations who steal from us. I don't resell, I consume for my own use and then discard. If I want toi use something more than once or twice, or I like the music, or I enjoy the game or movie enough to get more than 20 minutes of amusement from it, I'll go and buy it. I pirate as a "preview" service, if you will, to prevent me spending money on crap.

Anyway, enough justification for my crimes, here's my comment on YouHaveDownloaded.com...

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH! FAIL!

According to the site, I am so clean I might even work for Sony or the RIAA, although I note the site goes on to intimate that I might just be very, very good at covering my tracks. Y'know, if I was a legitimate user I'd be a bit annoyed at being accused of possibly being a pirate even when their "investigation" shows clearly that I am not.

Isn't that called libel?

I also can't help but wonder if the site is in any way genuine as it is remarkably similar to those "joke" sites where you can put a Car License Plate in and see what tickets it has accrued to play a prank on your friends.

Anyway, only a matter of time before Anonymous catches up with them.

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Devil

wow

people still use torrents? how quaint.

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@Danny 14 ...

... what wonderful alternative do you have? Enquiring minds etc ...

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Looks like the RIAA needs to get the lawsuit against themselves submitted to the courts and their ISP needs to send them a letter informing them that if they continue, their service will be disconnected. The RIAA should not treat themselves any different than they do anyone else. Surely the RIAA has firewall records to track down the internal IP of the machine(s) with the content. Clearly the RIAA cannot say they are not responsible for what their employees do on the RIAA network, they didn't let the ISP's use that defense.

Have at it RIAA, get your lawyers vicious circle and hopefully it will spell the end of the RIAA.

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Pirate

Silly site.

It treats any and all torrents as dodgy material, for me it lists a couple of 70's radio shows I've downloaded and calls me all the stinking pirates going...

Pirate radio never seemed more appropriate.

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@Site's full of it

Are you by any chance connected to the internet by an ISP rather than your own personal backbone link? in that case all the users in your town/area/cave have the same IP, otherwise the world would have run out of IP addresses by now.

If however you are a giant organisation of pure evil, or Sony, or the DHS you have your own private connection and your own static IP address.

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How are they supposed to find torrents and test the validity of them to track them down without actually accessing the torrent itself? Almost as soon as you are downloading you are uploading as well.

I don't see where the scandal is?

Plus are their IPs fixed or dynamic?

No I do not work for the RIAA and their past actions have been neanderthal, however I am at a bit of a loss here....

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The book that is face

So, they use facebook all over the site, you comment and they see an IP address. Mehaps they are linking names with IP's in their database?

Oh and the "removal" section requires you to log in with your FB account to be removed:

"Please remove the evidence of my piracy, my IP is 192.168.1.1 and my name is Fred, and I live at 1 White House Drive and you can send my summons to that address. Thanks FB User 123".

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Well,

Maybe the downloads at RIAA etc were for *testing and investigation*.... (stifles laughter)...

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And I'm in the ...

... clear.

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LMAO!

What kind of dozy muppet runs a torrent client at work?

Then again, what kind of dozy company/corporation/bloated govt dept manages their network so badly that employees *can* run a torrent client inside the network.

I'm sure the RIAA will be covering their arses (or asses as they are American) any time soon with stories of "We have to join torrent streams to check the authenticity of the content before legal action can proceed"... or "It is for statistical analysis of how effective our anti piracy policy is..."

BTW, both those explanations are copyright.

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