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London police are turning to Wi-Fi to beam alerts to revellers in the capital, warning them of the danger of rape while out partying and drinking over Christmas. Wi-Fi hotspots near popular clubs in central parts of London, such as Ministry of Sound, Proud Galleries and the Trocadero Centre, are being targeted by Scotland Yard …

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WTF?

How are they going to beam messages to punters via wifi? You have to actively log in first.

And I thought leaving Bluetooth on and visible was a way of attracting unwanted attention.

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RTFA

"Wi-Fi hotspots near popular clubs in central parts of London, such as Ministry of Sound, Proud Galleries and the Trocadero Centre, are being targeted by Scotland Yard officers."

I assume the login-page for the WiFi spot (for those that need one, FON I'm looking at you), will have a personal-safety advert/message on it., rather than intercepting the WiFi and replacing random banner adverts with the message.

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Of course! thanks

That makes a lot, lot more sense than what I was assuming.. thanks for thinking this through.

I wonder if they will also be using an interstitial when people connect even if a login is not needed? redirecting legitimate web requests to a 'Oi! You!; Watch it!!' page too? Maybe it's just an advertising system being given a trial run and a veneer of respectability?

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great

snappy threads check

money check

condoms check

alcohol meter check

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+ legally binding contract

+ independent verification of both parties level of capacity to sign such contract

So basically the warning from the Met has to go along the lines of "if you don't want to be accused of rape this Christmas, make sure to attend a Tee-total solicitors gang-bang"

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Judgement impaired by alcohol ?

Seriously ?

Not actually unconscious but a few cocktails down ?

If true the consequences would be staggering. My wife and I could both decide that, on reflection, we both wish we hadn't felt a tad frisky after our Xmas dos and come home 'in the mood' and prosecute each other.

*boggle*

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Out of "GUIDANCE ON THE SEXUAL OFFENCES (SCOTLAND) ACT 2009",

"Subsection (2)(a) provides that there is no free agreement where the conduct takes place at a time where the complainer is incapable, because of the effect of alcohol or any other substance, of consenting to it. The effect of this subsection is not to provide that a person cannot consent to sexual activity after consuming any alcohol or taking any intoxicating substance. A person may have consumed alcohol (or any other intoxicating substance), and may even be quite drunk, without having lost the capacity to consent. However at the point where he or she is so intoxicated as to lose the capacity to choose whether to participate in sexual activity, any sexual activity that takes place, does so without the complainer’s consent."

So I'm not sure.

Another puzzle initially: "Subsection (2)(e) provides that there is no free agreement where the complainer agrees or submits to conduct because the accused induces the complainer to agree or submit to the conduct by impersonating a person known personally to the complainer." On reflection, this possibly covers situations when there isn't a light on, as well as if the complainer is blind, or you sneak up behind them and go "It's me" and they go "Oh all right then", and it isn't you. I mean, you aren't who it's supposed to be. Although in some cases you weren't to know that, probably.

If the other person is asleep, I'm afraid it's right out. At least here in Scotland.

I don't think much of this wi-fi plan, though.

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Only the man is capable of being guilty of rape under current laws.

ps, unless your wife also has willy.

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Yippeee, someone has made it rich

Whoever sold the police this gimmick is a genius; makes those selling the IT suystems to the NHS look like a bunch of amateurs. I mean this is even more pointless and technically illiterate.

(and the cost is.. probably secret, and probably coming off the 'preparing for next summers riots' public control slushfund, Still I suppose I'd rather they wasted money on this inept gimmick then on rubber bullets and watercannon. )

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Not much of a life, checking internet whilst razzling it...

hard to believe that beer goggles and an ability to 'tune in' to the 'peace' keepers can mix.

Even tuned in, then how much notice would xmas munters take? Shouldn't it be about reminding bars, pubs and clubs to offer a service of the overly munted, have food around, be civilised like.

Mine's a whisky mac with a squeeze of lime. No, not that kind of squeeze.

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Just think.

The English riots earlier this year would never have happened if plod had issued WiFi warnings that looting was a crime.

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Big Brother

Plus, the police would have picked up a whole lot of MAC addresses and sundry other information which, because such is the way of things, will not be destroyed and will eventually be used or sold.

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@"if plod had issued WiFi warnings that looting was a crime."

Perhaps they were. It would help explain why the rioters were attacking the phone and electrical shops as they just wanted to hear these police warning on their shiny new phones and why the rioters ignored book shops like Waterstones, as the book shops weren't running these police educational adverts in their shops.

I did wonder why the rioters ignored the book shops and attacked the electrical shops. So they just wanted to learn and there I was thinking they were all greedy arrogant narcissists with no thought for anyone but themselves. The sad thing is, these are the exact same kind of bullying narcissistic people who are also the rapists in this world, that the police are trying to warn others about.

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Slap head

Amazing, I have an idea, it wouldn't stop any rape from happing in the first place, just like WiFi & Bluetooth. It called a P O S T E R, it use just paper and ink's if want to hi tec light it with LED's.

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Call me a cynic, but if I were to open up my nice shiny laptop to recieve alerts from the Police, who it has to be said, have a less than sterling ability when it comes to IT, doesn't that lay me open to a number of ""interesting"" attack vectors?

Personally, I'll be keeping my lappie fully locked down thank you very much.

Anybody got any spare pepper spray? :D

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"sending a message to perpetrators"

So what they're saying is "if you think you might do something bad, please tweak your laptop/mobile so that we can send you a pre-emptive smack on the wrist".

I can see that working well. Not.

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misread statement as:

This concerted penetration drive...

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FAIL

Don't these bungholes have anything better to do?

One more glowing waste of taxpayer's money.

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Its takes me all my time to get authenticated onto public wifi and then jump through the millions of hurdles to get free access after paying £3 for a coffee I dont want - but feel obliged to buy.

So after all this is done my attacker would have fled the scene and then took my Jesus Phone with him.

Watson, I think there is a hole in the mets plan...!

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WTF?

"If...their judgement is impaired by alcohol they are legally unable to consent"

Not that I condone taking advantage of drunks, but surely there's a difference between falling victim to a set of beer goggles and being assaulted. Does the law over on the island across the pond really treat them the same?

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Anytime I read one of those stories, I somehow get reminded of the boy who cried wolf ...

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Part of being responsible...

...is to NOT get shit faced in the first place.

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What if....

You are both wankered? I can remember more than a few occasions waking up in a strange places with a random girls and on closer inspection highly doubt that i would have consented if i was sober !

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Ah yes the good ole days

In those cases you didn't consent, your groin did, happened to me a lot as well. Could have joined the SAS for the skills I had in quietly moving from bed to floor, gathering clothes and leaving through the front door without making a sound. Although nowadays I think you need to add an extra step which is check you haven't given them your mobile number.

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In other news

Registered sex offenders will be handing out leaflets on high streets across the UK warning people of the dangers of Frape and reminding you to log out of your facebook account before closing your browser.

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Biased much?

Since young men are vastly more likley to be the victim of a violent attack shouldn't the police be focusing more on that.

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Ummm...

So, you get some info on avoiding rape... but open yourself up to mugging instead. hmmm.

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If you don't understand the concept of 'no'

If you're the sort of person who doesn't get the basic etiquette without having it spelled out, I can't see that having it spelled out will make the slightest difference. Another "initiative" that doesn't show any.

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Erm...

Who has most of the tech out there?

Men

Who is this campain aimed at?

Women

Something isn't right here.

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WTF?

OK, here's a redical thought...

Why not put more onus on bar workers and staff to actually enforce the existing laws that they should not serve alcohol to people who are already drunk and that they have a duty of care to the people in their establishment. I think we've all done things when we were hammered that we wish we hadn't and the more you drink the less likely you are to know to stop.

I'm not saying that rape is ever a girl's fault, what I'm saying is that deciding the morning after that you were drunk and shouldn't have then retrospectively claiming you weren't in a condition to consent is very messy. If you're both drunk then the man shouldn't be held responsible for his actions either and that's an even messier minefield!!!

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"Redical"

OK, here's an even more radical thought.

Take responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming others for your own misfortunes. Get hammered? Take the consequences.

Leap off a bridge because it seemed like a good idea at the time, does not mean that you can blame the bridge because you were pissed. No difference as I see it.

And before you leap on me saying that because someone is pissed they should not have to contend with being taken advantage of, I totally agree.

Sadly, a few million years of so-called evolution, still allows males to be controlled by the sexual urge. Despite arrogant humans thinking that men can be "trained" out of it, the primeval urge still exists deep in the subconscious. Whether the urge can be totally controlled or not, by every male is debatable.

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...there's a word for those people - "rapists" - and we quite rightfully lock them up. It doesn't matter if you "can't control yourself" (and am I the only guy who fines this line of reasoning simultaneously very frightening, and highly insulting?)

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We have smart serve over here in Canada, basically it says that if I serve you, be it 1 drink or 12, while you are under the influence I am responsible as the server. Note it says that, if it has been tested legally, I am unsure.

I hate this system, if a person is not responsible enough to say "I drove my car into a tree cause I had 6 beer, hopped into it and drove" then they should not drink. People with the mentality of shift it to the servers and staff are going to lead to a world where every time you ingest alcohol, your watch beeps, if you hit a limit your car will not unlock.

How can you expect a server to keep track of the numerous patrons, their drinks and then watch what they do as they leave the door? For that matter, how are we to magically know you had 4 beer in the house before you came, different people react differently, some are overt and some never change from the normal. Yes if my regulars are there I watch them and know their habits and that they cab or one of the wives comes for them, then again they are my regulars, the random Joe off the street though is the wildcard for me constantly.

Time for the people of the world to wake up and accept responsibility for their own actions.

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@Blakey

Oh yes, we all know the word, but frightening? What, that someone should take responsibility for their own actions? And insulting? I find your own lack of intelligence and arrogance rather insulting actually.

Unfortunately for you, like the rest of us, you are still basically an animal with animal instincts. If you don't believe that then what do you think accounts for mob rule, crowds rioting etc.

We are still deep down, driven by the need to multiply just like any dumb animal, plant, or amoeba.

You might believe (and I would certainly hope) that in a civilised world nothing bad should ever happen, sadly, it does, and it doesn't matter what laws "man" passes or how superior individuals think that they are over other animal life.

The problem with man is that we think, and that means that some people "think" that makes us superior to other forms of life.

All we can do in the end, is try and control ourselves to the best of our ability, but if we can't control ourselves, then STOP passing the buck onto other people. Yes sir I did it, not the barman or anybody else.

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