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Police across Europe have arrested 112 suspected members of a child abuse ring. The suspects allegedly used the net to share depraved images and homemade videos depicting children and even toddlers being sexually abused and raped. A crackdown operation, co-ordinated by European police agency Europol, launched raids in 22 …

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Question...

Was Garry Glitter one of them?

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Re: Question

Why would it matter to you? Whether one of the detained was Gary Glitter, Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (unlikely now) or Fred Blogs is immaterial.

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Might have a pop at plod once in a while but when they get their fingers out they can do some stirling work!

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Both my next door neighbours have been arrested as part of the European-wide raids against online paedophiles.

F**k knows where I'm going to get my free wi-fi now.

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Operation "Icarus"?

Icarus, the story of an ambitious mythical pioneer, who attempted to conquer the skies but flew too high...

...is the codename for an operation to crack down on people who fiddle kids.!?

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Perhaps...

...you would prefer it to be called Operation "Oedipus"?

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"Operation Nickthekiddyfiddlers" Might have given the game away somewhat, had word got out.

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It's the closest they could get

It's about catching people who get their flies too close to sons.*

* And daughters, of course. And a small percentage of those convicted could be female too. But a pun is always worth creative license.

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Err...

Police operations, afaik, are named randomly.

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EPIC WIN

Hope it continues.

I wonder if there's any places left in the CIA black-ops prisons in the middle east now that the yanks are pulling out...? Eye for an eye and all that, plus they probly pretty willing to sing, cos we already know they're scum and they know that too, unlike a fighter doing it for the love of his country and/or god, misguided though he may be.

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9000 hours?

Is that 9000 hours of child porn or 9000 hours of porn, some unknown portion of which involved children? These are very different things and the unqualified number smells like marketing to me.

Nicely done bagging these people, though, and I doubt the ones who did the job are the same who wrote the press release.

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It's over 9000!

In other news, 4chan just imploded beyond the schadenfreude event horizon!

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It's also worth noting, did all of the "Chlid porn" actually contain children?

There have been some definitions of the term lately that do include porn which does not actually contain children.

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9000 hrs

9000 hours is just over one year so obviously they haven't looked at them all yet ... maybe it's 9000 cop hours? Like cop dollars when they bust someone for combustibles.

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@Version 1.0

Maybe there was more than one person involved, I realise that's a radical suggestion, mind.

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I'd take a guess and say that the amount of child porn found, was the size of the hard drives recovered. Some poor bastard is going to have to wade through and work out the finer details for an official report.

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All inaccurate

The source of this "9000 hours" quote is simply from the original Danish article. They're just saying 29TB is enough to store 9000 hours of high quality video, and says nothing about how many actual hours of child pornography there are.

It strikes me though, that someone with that much child porn is probably a sharing hub for many others. I'd say give him some kind of way out if helps you with everything he knows, since tossing him in jail isn't exactly going to make him want to talk. That kind of huge stash could lead to a serious, serious number of sick fucks throughout the world, no doubt.

Better to use him to help rat on everyone else..

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A good reason to bnring back the death penalty

Just fry them.

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Steady on there mate, remember Operation Ore?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_ore#Controversies

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Obivously a daily mail reader

I despise people found guilty of abusing children as much as anyone, but I thought logic behind the death penalty was old testament 'eye for an eye'. You will have to go a long way to convince me that child abuse equates to murder.

I think a harsher punishment is having them languish in prison for a very long time without much to do but feel guilty for what they have done. To me killing them off is letting them off easy....

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In abuses cases, no one wins and everyone loses

Sorry but as much as I hate the bastards too, I'd rather pay to have them rot in a cell dwelling on the enormity of their crime than see them "get off" with a death sentence. When you kill someone they no longer have to face up to the consequences of their actions or confront the horrendous damage they have done to their victims lives. The abused however, has to continue their life with all that terrible mental hardship, constantly influencing their decisions, especially social interaction.

And anyway, as we know from our Yankee cousins the death sentence works wonders for cutting crime and they never get the wrong person on death row!

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Terabytes ah yes - was that Xvid mpg or h264 or was it uncompressed? Having accidentally forgotten to select xvid once and ended up with a 80GB file size is useless

Same as mention above on hours of porn

Also Operation Ore - several suicides from people who should never have be arrested

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Internet Related Child Abuse

So those were stupid enough to not yet understand that sooner or later, using the internet, they would be caught. That probably leaves a big proportion of more clever paedos out there.

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"You will have to go a long way to convince me that child abuse equates to murder."

Depending on type of abuse, it's probably worse than murder. The dead guy doesn't have to live with what happened does he?

For the worst offenders, save the taxpayers money and pop a cap in them.

(or feed them to the bears/sharks... double saving)

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sorry

but thats a shocking waste

Harvest their organs for transplant first, then feed them to the sharks

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Better if the victim is killed then...

Using your logic it would be better if the abuser killed their victim after abusing them then, as there life after being abused would be worse than if they were murdered....

Following the questionable 'eye for an eye' old testament logic, that the death penalty is built on, the worst you would be able to do to the abuser, is abuse them in the same way they abused their victim. Anything else just has no moral justification, useless of course you are part of a touch and pitchfork waving mob, baying for blood (known in modern times as Daily Mail readers).

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Would you want an organ from a paedophile in you? I think not.

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Do hope...

Do hope they caught mainly people who were creating the material and uploading it to this ring rather than the just the downloaders. It's best to get the people creating the material and doing the actual abuse. In the same way it's better to get drug makers rather than drug users.

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Drug use versus child abuse

We should go after the paedos, by all means, but leave the druggies and dealers alone!

Unlike child abuse, the production, sale, and consumption of drugs involves purely voluntary transactions. These are victimless crimes.

Every hour the police waste in the War on Drugs is an hour they could have spent chasing real criminals.

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@Suboptimal Planet

>the production, sale, and consumption of drugs involves purely voluntary transactions. These are victimless crimes.

That is a rather blinkered comment. All drugs have a cost to society unless you can convince me that junkies do not mug people, nor steal from their own families in order to get money to buy drugs.

OK. I'll leave a pause in the form of a new paragraph so you can bleat on about how making drugs legal and cheap will solve this solve this.

Maybe so, but it will not solve the cost of damage done by legal drugs. It's already bad enough that there are drunk drivers without having to add driving under the influence of other recreational drugs.

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I find it hard to imagine a more henious crime than kiddy fiddling, though I suppose there might be some.

For me there can be no penalty severe enough for someone caught in the act - which even includes having materials depicting such acts. Putting a tattoo on their forehead describing kiddy fiddler would do as a minimum - let them then try to live their live without getting the message that people don't like such people.

On another level, I can't actually fathom what pleasure someone could ever get from sexual exploits involving children. Something to do with being in control I suppose. In which case I hope they get locked up with Big Bertha in prison so that they can take some lessons about what being in control is about.

Well done to the police for having nicked this lot.

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"I find it hard to imagine a more henious crime than kiddy fiddling, though I suppose there might be some."

Erm, murder. Cold blooded multiple murder is not the worst crime anymore? I must have missed that memo.

"For me there can be no penalty severe enough for someone caught in the act - which even includes having materials depicting such acts."

Well that approach does not devalue the crimes of the real dirt bags who actually abuse children, if you lump in those who only have depictions, including drawings where no abuse ever took place. Also under UK law those depictions can even be of people you could legally have sex with (i.e under 18). So sure using your logic, someone who has a drawing picture of a 17 year old on their computer is as bad and should get the same punishment as some who abuses a 1 year old.

In fact your approach incentivises people into real abuse rather than sticking with looking at depictions, as the punishment would be the same. Happy you are not in charge of the justice system.

Some people really need to think past the yuck factor to get some perspective on this issue and the laws that are applied.

"On another level, I can't actually fathom what pleasure someone could ever get from sexual exploits involving children."

That's the one part I can agree with you on. Does that mean though that also disguising, are people who find very petite women attractive. Those who might be confused for being younger than they are. I.E Natalie Portman, etc

Things are a lot more complicated than just burn anyone who ever found attractive, anyone who gives the 'impression of being under 18' (wording of the law).

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Boat floating

Why would somebody want to stick their penis in an anus?

Or be tie up and flogged?

Or come into a shoe?

Or watch an amputee struggle to get onto a LI-LO?

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"Erm, murder. Cold blooded multiple murder is not the worst crime anymore?"

Perhaps I was wrong to try to compare different crimes, and apologise if that's the way my previous response read.

I don't think I share your thoughts that cold blooded multiple murder is worse than kiddy fiddling though. Completely different crimes which I don't think compare on any scale. With a murder the victim has closure - they won't have to live with the experience, whereas with kiddly fiddling there is potential for it having lifelong consequences for the victim.

To be clear, I'd shoot both the murderers and the kiddy fiddlers. Don't waste time on the trials, and shoot the human rights activists who stand in the way too. Also add anyone who doesn't subscribe to El Reg on a regular basis, they obviously aren't in touch with the real world.

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@FredScummer

Why stop their, let's shoot Santa Claus as well. There's got to be something dodgy about a fat guy giving presents to kids to they'll sit on his knees.

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a henious crime ? not according to the 'good book'

which hardy gives kiddly fiddling the time of day...

certainly doesn't make it into the 10 commandments.

one to bring up with the god botherers start to go on about morals...

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I'm interested in these responses

It's fascinating, really.

The article leaves some vengeful (why? are they involved or is it a mob-mind thing?), most are disturbed by the idea of all these possible - nobody's been convicted - paedophiles out there, leaving unknown quantities more, and about half are cynical of the claims of the police.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs to be honest. We no longer trust their figures or their claims, we look back at Operation Ore and other horrible miscarriages of justice...

It's interesting, isn't it?

We don't trust the police. Nobody trusts the politicians. You'd have to be crazy to trust any church. We don't trust the scientists (climate, etc). We absolutely don't trust the media. We don't trust the banks or our employers or our employees.

The consequence of available information is that we are finally able to see documented evidence of their lies, corruption and abuses.

I've wandered off-topic here, but I'll trust the moderators.

Just this once.

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Re: I'm interested in these response

What I find interesting is the use of the word kiddy-fiddler as it presupposes that all child abuse is defined as interfering with a child in a sexual manner.

We get all up in arms about what is a relatively small number of victims because the crime presses the right buttons yet think nothing of abuse that is child labour. But what the hell, we get cheap clothes, trainers, footballs, car parts and nobody videos the children working so it's OK.

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is required.

Don't forget to distinguish between what the Reg reports and what the Europol press release acutally says:

“Law enforcement agencies have to work together to combat the growing threat of cybercrimes against children, and we have to use the most advanced technology available. The complexity is huge and challenging - for example one of the Danish suspects had 29 terabytes of data that we confiscated. This is an incredible amount of data for our investigators to handle. To put it into perspective, that could hold about 9000 hours of high-quality video,” says Jens Henrik Hoejbjerg, Danish National Commissioner of Police.

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don't stop

catch them all

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