Physicists working on the Large Hadron Collider will be announcing their latest batch of results at a seminar next week. It’s only been a day since CERN announced the seminar at which the ATLAS and CMS experiments would present the status of their search for the elusive God particle, but the blogosphere is already alight with …
Quit Calling it the Effing 'God Particle'
Higgs, the person mainly responsible for the theory of the Higgs Boson is an ATHEIST!
Re: Quit Calling it the Effing 'God Particle'
They're just doing the groundwork for an upcoming series of Higg's-denialist articles, using the so-called "religious fervor" of "God particle acolytes" as a straw man to undermine the reputation of particle physicists. Not sure how they're going to get tax into the equation, but I suppose the LHC does cost a bit to run (and it's a European project! Oh noes!)
The story I heard was that Higgs called it the "goddammed particle", but his (American) publisher wasn't keen on that as a book title, and reckoned that "God particle" would sell better.
Gawd particle, of course..
If it was up to an *American* publisher it would be called the Gawd particle..
Honestly, can't you tell English from American?
If it is announced as found I trust that el reg will not cover it in a light and frivolous manner but in a style that reflect the true gravity of the discovery.
You're new here, aren't you? Expect the words "boffin", boffinry", and "God-particle" to appear under one of Lester's legendary sexually suggestive alliterative headlines.
"but in a style that reflect the true gravity"
Hopefully, the historic moment will be captured in Lego.
> I trust that el reg will not cover it in a light and frivolous manner but in a style that reflect the true gravity of the discovery.
True gravity .. pun intended ?
This Will Be A Famous Victory For String Theory!
This will be a famous victory for string theory: no matter what the results and conclusions are - string theory predicted it! Does Higgs exist? String theory predicted it! Does it not exist? String theory predicted that too!
As Humpty-Dumpty would say, "That's glory for you!"
SuSy is next!
Re: his Will Be A Famous Victory For String Theory!
"This will be a famous victory for string theory: no matter what the results and conclusions are - string theory predicted it! Does Higgs exist? String theory predicted it! Does it not exist? String theory predicted that too!"
Ah yes. Over the decades, watching string theorists jump through theoretical hoops as they try to unify the forces I have often playfully thought that there should be one force to bind them all.
Mine's the anorak.
Is that the Monty Python String theory?
Ah, the memories. "Due to bad planning the string comes in 3 inch lengths. So it's not very useful"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qNj-QFZbew et al - it's actually audio only.
Re: Is that the Monty Python String theory?
Not as good as the secret service sketch; "Wait a minute!!! You're not Miss Jackson! Ah yes you are, jolly good disguise Miss Jackson."
Prize idiocy with not too much damage. Thanks for the reminder. :-)
Cue the Illuminati
....they'll be paying them a visit soon.
Higgs field -- impossible!
Let me tell you why it is not possible for Higgs boson to be there, because there cannot be any fields in a realistic understanding of the natural world. Fields were devised in the times of Maxwell to comprehend pre quantum phenomena. Every event has to have a particle/wave explanation, no field would fill in the details where a postulation is weak. It's a non quantum sub ev world out there. Gravitation and mass are due to a very different form of particle or particles, no resemblance with Higgs. Look for DCE research in Sweden, if you want to see the shape of the things to come. Eventually STR will be marginalized and space and mass will be seen as interchangeable.
But I have a field out the back of my house.. seems pretty natual to me.. it's got cows and everything in it..
Just have to find out if they're very small or just far away now...
I miss Father Ted
Good God (or Higgs Boson), man! You've garnered a dozen down votes, and I don't understand your post in the least. I suspect no one else does either and resent it, thus the down votes.
Say what you mean, and mean what you say!
RE: Re: Fields
"I miss Father Ted"
There's a Father Ted society list. I had the link somewhere. Anyhow, people get to dress up as vicars and what not, at some remote island on the Emerald Isle.
I've just found the link: http://www.tedfest.org/
Go in peace my child.
Re: Higgs field -- impossible!
Well, so much for multi governmental research, you've destroyed decades of study and millions of hours of PhD time in one paragraph, hope they kept the receipt.
@Anadish Kumar Pal, spot the troll
I thought that "Look for DCE research in Sweden, if you want to see the shape of the things to come" would be a fairly unique string to search for on the interwebs, it is. It looks like you have posted nearly exactly the same comment on over 30 more-technical forums than elReg since 21st Nov 2011
Given the number of negative comments you have received on other forums I would have thought you would have refined/developed your original post to include a little bit more information than your first post.
Troll icon Anadish, you.
A whiff of Higgs
They can maybe smell it but they also reckon it could be 2013 before they can once again run the LHC up to speed in order to actually try and net the little buggers.
Sounds more like
they've written it off conclusively in another mass range.
"...a mass in the range of prediction at 125 GeV..."
When the value is finally nailed down, it'll turn out to be precisely 137.035999074 GeV. Why? Because God has a weird sense of humour...
To the clot-head that downvoted the parent
To the clot-head that downvoted the parent: you should learn a bit about physics before expressing your opinion on it. The joke is that 137.035999074 is (roughly) the fine structure constant, relating mass and charge (to anybody who has a clue: forgive the babytalk, but realize what this post is addressed to).
Like, one over alpha ?
There's enough evidence out there in the world that indicates God (existence assumed) likes to laugh (at) himself ;-)
I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
I thought God had a sick* sense of humour?
* This is not a good thing kids!
for explaining it... I was just about to hit teh intarwebs to work out what the number represented! :D
..He does spend his weekends burying fake giant lizard skeletons just to fuck with us. That's pretty messed up.
I downvoted it..
.. because I hate fractions. So there.
(not really, but I figured you could do with some ribbing).
@David D. Hagood
The current recommended value of the fine structure constant is 7.2973525698(24)×10−3 = 1/137.035999074(44).
Like I said, "baby talk". I didn't want to confuse the poor thing with the concept of fractions.
And then what?
Once CERN does announce its discovery of the Higgs - either soon or at some time in the future, what do all the researchers do after that?
Do all the physicists just pack up their bags, have the Big Bang of all leaving parties and wend their various ways, or do they scramble to come up with a new theory in order to secure future funding to keep themselves and their teams in employment.
Discovering a new fundamental particle is all very nice: don't get me wrong. But this seems to be the final part of the Standard Model. After it's been caught I can just imagine all the non particle-physicists saying "OK, they'd got THE ANSWER, now we need loads of megabucks to continue our work in our field, since these guys have now finished doing their stuff."
Not everyone is working on Higgs discovery analyses. There are loads more research activities at the LHC (SUSY, extra dimensions, black holes, quark-gluon plasma, precision B physics, 4th generation matter, ...) and elsewhere at CERN (those pesky neutrinos, kaons, ...) along with higher-level application of applied beams (biology, engineering, ...)
Once they've found the God particle they can look for the less pious and far more entertaining Satan particle.
Once they have THE ANSWER...
... then they need to start looking for THE QUESTION, obviously.
You won't say that when your're going to work via wormhole
While the God particle creates mass, the Satan particle creates sin. And snakes.
The devil is in the detail
However, the two experiments are only seeing the god particles at 2.5 to 3.5 stigmata
(the measure of deity statistical certainty).
The name 'God particle' must be one of the biggest misnomers since 'Lord Adonis'.
As many religious types like to believe almost anything is 'proof' of there being a super space fairy, no doubt finding this particle will be used to support the same theory, and the press perpetuating this misnomer doesn't help.
RE: 'God particle'
And the depressing thing is some eedjit somewhere is going to either:
a) Use it as proof of "my imaginary friend is more powerful than your imaginary friend" OR
b) Demand with extreme menace that it be named after his particular brand of imaginary friend.
That would make them...
The trouble with this reality is that the only thing you can bank on in terms of true meaning is self belief, the logical extension of 'I am, therefore I think'.
The problem with this is that when people postulate increasingly insane theories to explain 'things', someone dingbat is likely to listen because they can't be arsed to do their own thinking.
Everything in the known universe seems to be able to be expressed as some form of energy. Perhaps people project onto this sense of energy (there are obviously types and expressions of energy with which we are not yet familiar) with their sense of powerlessness and loneliness to create some form of being that 'is' this energy.
We could all be arguing about the same thing, just perceived through the varying prisms of our own experience and delusions.
Well, that's my delusion anyway :)
Do you really want to p**s him off by finding it. Maybe its hidden for a reason?
Two bumps at the same mass from the two experiments is much more exciting than anything from one alone. A combined significance of 4 sigma or above is where particle physicists start to get properly excited, and the rumours are it may get somewhere close.
And no, if it's there at about 125GeV then it's completely compatible with lots of supersymmetric theories, which may or may not start to show up when they analyse more data. Not to mention actually measuring the properties of the Higgs, and looking for it in other decay channels.
I realize I am American, but I thought I could read your English website until today. The first sentence begins with "Physicists". What are "physicists"? I take it they are some sort of sage researchers, but are they like witch-doctors? Or are they more like boffins? And no sign of the phrase "God particle-botherers"?
I must admit I am at a loss to understand this story because of the highly unusual vocabulary it contains.
Re: Journalistic skills
We do like to keep you readers on your toes.
Lego?? Shurely you mean Playmobil.
When the Large Hardon Collider does reproduce reliably, You can bet Lester will get his toys out from under the bed again!