All the rage in Sweden...
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Sweden's female university students are enjoying twice as many partners but using fewer condoms than their counterparts of 10 years ago, worrying research has found. At the same time, the number of female students copping to having an STD had doubled, according to the research from Uppsala University, the local.se reports. The …
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As we know from the Assange case, in Sweden a woman can retroactively declare rape if her partner didn't use a condom and she claims she wanted him to. Although some Swedish women are undoubtedly daft enough to have unprotected casual sex, just as in any other country, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there's a number of girls trying to exploit the law here.
That would be women, not girls. You know, adults, as opposed to children.
Do you think that the "number of girls [sic] trying to exploit the law" is enough to explain the difference between condom usage a decade ago and condom usage now?
The definition of 'Girl' varies, depending on context.
'Girls night out' is a favorite amongst what you would call an Adult, and 'Golden Girls' tend to refer to grandmothers.
Girl can be used to refer to a child, Juvenile, Teenager, young woman, or a female of pretty much any age, although in their latter years it is more an affection than an accurate term. Girl is not, in and of itself, defined by their age, only their gender.
Plus you need to remember that the age at which a person can consent to sex can be lower than the age at which they are viewed to be an adult.
Anyhow, I think the study is flawed: We are told of a comparison of two points in time: 1999 and 2011. What about looking at the 70's, 80's and 90's. Are we seeing a change in attitudes, a change in awareness or just things returning to normal?
Would would be the benefit to large numbers of women claiming that their partners raped them?
It isn't like they would get credits or money, so why would they be exploiting the law on rape?
> That would be women, not girls. You know, adults, as opposed to children.
No. He probably meant GIRLS as this was an article about college students.
The juvenile monicker undoubtedly fits. Applies across the board too.
I really didn't think anyone could be stupid enough to not realise that when I said "girls" it was the common usage referring to adult women, given that sex with children doesn't require *any* withdrawal of consent to be considered rape because consent can't be given. That was clearly a mistake on my part.
Someone asked what a woman would stand to gain by retroactively withdrawing consent: "My client withdraws consent because you didn't use a condom as she wished ... though she would be willing to accept an out of court settlement to not press charges". Revenge is also a possibility - bareback the guy who broke your flatmate/BFF/sister's heart, then get him on the register - but mostly it would be money, I think.
I also want to make it doubly clear that this isn't what everyone who retroactively withdraws consent is doing, or even more than a small minority of them. However, human nature being what it is I'd say it was foolish to think that *nobody* is exploiting the law.
Let's just make one thing clear. This is Sweden, not the US.
So there is no monetary benefit for the women. The judicial system is not as hosed as in the US.
Now tell me what these women were trying to exploit?
As you understand you are nor sorted into the ignorant section.
...Sweden has some of the tastiest and most liberated burds in Europe...?
...but eleven partners at once? You'd end up getting shagged to death before the coffee got cold.
... maybe the coeds are not shagging guys that often compared to 10 years back ? Thus making condom use less frequent.
liberated may mean willing to have sex, having it without condoms in a country ripe with STDs (which is any country really) is just plain slutty and stupid.
Way to go and ruin a great article with the facts register ;-)....lots of horny loose women in Sweeden (big surprise) and oh yeah... there teaming with sexual disease.
oh and obligatory pictures..or it didn't happen.
May I politely suggest the widespread promotion of safe girl-on-girl scandi student action, using internet video as the medium.
Sweden's female university students are *having* twice as many partners
"Enjoying" is making possibly unwarranted assumptions about the technical proficiency of those partners.
Perhaps they asked the ladies how many partners they had enjoyed sex with. The increase in the numbers here could show that they quality of their partners was improving and someone is teaching them something useful.
Perhaps the out right number of partners isn't changing, and since you can end up with the clap whether you had a good time or not this could indicate just about anything.
Statistics, are they wonderful.
But who knows what they actually mean.
The other high probability skew on these results is the truthfulness of the responses.
Doses of clap are easier to measure, the local clinic can probably give you the number of infections.
But the number of partners is not so easy to measure. Other research has shown that women under claim partners in surveys and men over claim them (this is different to people in long term relationships where in one couple one partner will complain that they are always having sex while the other will complain they hardly ever have sex). Sorry I digress, the difference in reported numbers of partners could be at least partly due to a greater willingness on the part of those surveyed to own up to a number of liaisons.
Clinics can only measure the infection rates of people who visit them. They could have more patients visiting due to a greater awareness of the symptoms rather than an outright increase in infections.
...the females are having more sex than the men then surely this means that a lot of the sex requires no condom at all.
This is fantastic news.
You only need a few dozen very active guys to sleep with several hundred women to give each of the ladies an average of a dozen partners (and the clap). Human and other primate mating patters do suggest that alpha male types tend to have a much higher number of partners (x10) than their less testosterone enriched counterparts whereas women tend to all have a fairly even spread.
(Statement made from memory so is probably only mildly more accurate than the average Wikipedia article)
....then surely it means the females are having sex with each other? Woohoo!
Paris because, well, I'm sure she went to university. *cough*
yeah, well, isn't that what the article is about now?
and graduated magna cum
Sexual encounters have doubled, and the number of STDs has doubled accordingly, despite condom use being lower. Adjusting for sexy inflation, that says that the STD-rate is technically going down (no pun intended).
Yet another study with no clear results, carry on.
Yep my thoughts too...
When you think about it IF the data is true (and I seriously question the accuracy of any sex survey like this) the whole thing is a bit of a contradiction...
Twice the number of partners and twice the number of STD's implies that transmission rate has stayed similar. Form this we infer that rates of infection have stayed similar BUT we are told they have doubled.*
*Of course this is a deliberate gross over simplification (much like the study) of the statistics and ignores many many factors such as
1)Concurrency of partners
2)Frequency and number of encounters
3)Types of STD and their relative eas of transmission
4)Are there actually a few 'sweish super shaggers' who bed thousands and have infected many or is there an even distribution of disease and loving?
Think we need an el reg investigation into this immediately
The latest figures show that female students had typically had 11 partners PER NIGHT, more than double the number their counterparts of 1999 had.
Fixed, I've seen them Swedish porn films, I know what they get up to.
Call me old fashioned, but that's not much of a turn on.
I should know. Fortunately, managed to avoid the 'pox-doctor' or 'clap-clinic' so far....but, man, why go to Asia?
....seem sto be missing? :-p.
It's only a survey of female students at Uppsala University, so "Sweden's female students" is stretching things a bit.
Maybe they're now just more honest than the students 10 years ago when the doctor at the clinic asks them how many partners they've had?
so, of course, she's very popular.
....are these students or 'students'?
Is it possible that the results are skewed by more women declaring themselves as 'students' in order to 'pay their way through college'?
"The figures could be taken as demonstrating a worrying lassitude on sexual health matters".
Lassitude means "weariness of body or mind from strain, etc.; lack of energy".
Oh, I see what he means...
If he had slept with uni students who share his dislike for condoms, instead of the two older women, he would have been fine today.
Legally speaking, that is.
Regarding STI increase, considering the amount of people carrying the HSV and Chlamydia infections, the statistics need not be too worrying as long as people are getting the medical attention required.
From thelocal.se article, 'In 2009 almost a third of students had had chlamydia, genital warts or some other sexually transmitted disease', you can bet the 'other' is herpes, which can be contracted just swapping spit.
These surveys really should be more responsible by publishing full details of the infections.
I'm always reminded of Big Audio Dynamite's 'Stone Thames' when I read stuff like this.
i don't have any spit down there...
As well as someone??
Ok!, Ok!! I'm leaving!!
I'm going dude.
"Sweden's female students have more sex partners"
Much what I was thinking:
"A professor quoted in the report said young women must start insisting their partners use condoms if the country was to stem the rising tide of STDs."
I thought it was Baldrick that had relationships with swedes?
Paris because she can pretend to be a swede with me anytime.
... a day? A month? A year? In a lifetime? All at once? What?
The GUYS could insist on using condoms
i know....i know....
Because this is solely the responsibility of the woman? Ugh.
If one partner says "don't want condom" and the other says "only with a condom", then no consensual sex can take place until one of them backs down.
If neither back down, then that's called rape (and FYI, not just in Sweden)
Given the physical mechanics of heterosexual sex, would you not agree that in transient partnerships the male partner is considerably more likely to be the one saying "don't want"?
A man insisting on not using a condom is a bastard and should be pilloried, but he's also unlikely to be the kind of person who would listen to anyone saying "Young men must start insisting they use a condom".
The men who aren't bastards won't need the partner to 'insist' - a simple 'do you have one' would be enough.
If you're trying to solve a problem, it makes sense to aim at the part most likely to have a noticeable effect.
If course, an encounter along the lines of "I'm drunk, you're drunk, let's have sex!" is pretty likely to mean neither party is thinking about condoms. Thankfully, a fair number of such encounters end up with one of them vomiting on the way to a bed, so never quite getting around to the sex part...
Maybe they are simply being more honest now in the survey responses, i.e. the 'slut' effect is less, and women being allowed to enjoy themselves is ok.
Why is the article concentrating on women, unless it was only women having sex with women?
Because either the authors are misogynysts, or they assume their intended readership are. My money's on both - use of the word "slutty" in a headline is a dead giveaway.
In the 70's the mere mention of the word "Sweden" was sufficient to conjure up an image of pneumatic blondes who were just aching to share their new found sexual freedom with whoever caught them naked on the beach......
Now all I get is the thought of a bad back from screwing together all those bloody Ikea wardrobes....
How times change...
PS ... if there are any Swedish students out there who would like to massage my aching back (Not You Sven!)
Oh yes, I remember.
I'd watch out for the splinters if I were you