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An outage in HSBC systems took down their online banking services and affected the functioning of their cards at both ATMs and points-of-sale on Friday, November 4. An HSBC UK spokesman told The Register that the bank had experienced problems since 2.45pm GMT, and that the problems were now hitting "definitely online banking and …

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Unhappy

Bugger...

Not enough money in my pocket for a pint... and beer-o-clock is rapidly approaching :(

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TRT
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Repeat

Didn't this happen last year as well? I seem to remember receiving a phone call from my ex-wife screaming at me and accusing me of somehow cancelling all her cards just to embarrass and humiliate her.

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Anonymous Coward

As someone with an irrational ex like that I know how you feel. Although it would be a fun jape to pull its not worth the grief you'd get.

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Windows

Aren't you happy...

...she's your ex-wife!

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Phew!

Online banking seems to be back - a bit slow, but working again.

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FAIL

I was said reader

No online payments working including verified by visa. HSBC customer service confirmed

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Anonymous Coward

Looks fine to me.

Just checked HSBC and Firstdirect...all working ok.

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Internet Banking works for me

I can log on to check my balance and it accurately confirms that I still have no money. Oh well.

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Not just Honkers and Shankers...

The ATM at the local Morrisons refused an RBS Visa debit card and a Nationwide Link card this afternoon at about 13:00, both accounts have plenty of cleared funds.

Half an hour later, I managed to pay with the Visa, which was just as well as I had no cash!

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Go

I experienced problems with HSBC's online banking about an hour ago (16:00 GMT). I just tried again (17:00 GMT) and it worked fine for me - either that or my details have been hijacked by a hacker.

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Pint

Seems fine here

Just used online banking.. hopefully the machines will still spit out the readies for a few pints a bit later too!

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Black Helicopters

Maybe

Maybe they've run out of cash.

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Sounds like

an ITN problem

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WTF?

Great! Can pay online again...but card blocked by retailer

So HSBC will process the payment now, but because card was declined > 3 times earlier, payments with my card have been blocked for 24 hours by the retailer!

Just charming!

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Anonymous Coward

"Something to do the the servers or mainframe"

No shit Sherlock!

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Anonymous Coward

Err...

It could have been network, storage or software...

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HSBC Visa fail...

I can confirm HSBC servers aren't responding to online payments of HSBC Visa cards.

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It's a RAC cluster

It's an Oracle RAC cluster running under Veritas Cluster and vxfs/cfs cluster filesystem.

I was on a training course for VCS for RAC (on Solaris) with a HSBC guy, it's an 8 node RAC cluster running on T-Series Sun Servers.

Being as it's running under Veritas Cluster, not surprising...

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WTF?

no kidding?

Are you seriously saying someone at HSBC is running mission critical enterprise server software under some junk from Symantec ?????

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Veritas Cluster?

Face, meet palm.

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Err...

Ok, first off VCS is a good product, as is the filesystem and foundation suite. It's rock solid and industry standard.

Secondly, having worked in RBS' IT for many years, I find it very hard to believe that something like this would be run on a piece of kit as small as an 8 node cluster. I find it pretty hard to believe that it's run off-mainframe.

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Anonymous Coward

eh?

I just checked my hsbc balance online.

Then I paid for something with my hsbc card.

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Pint

maybe its...

stuxnet, back for revenge!*

*or payback, depending on your particular moral stance

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hsbc had it sorted....

pretty quickly imo.

el reg, however, were slow on the uptake.

report it over an hour after everyone else and 30mins before hsbc had it fixed.....

chop chop lads!

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Penny for your thoughts

Do I have to tell them if millions of quid mysteriously appears in my account?

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The Machine in the Hole in the Wall Gang Master Programmers

No, jon 72, you don't. .... because haven't you realised that there are systems in place to stop you drawing out wealth in cash. Everyone who is rich is only so by the grace of electronic transfer of digits. They don't actually do any work for their wealth, they just know someone in the know and would presume to know how the system works and then can hold it to ransom.

Valuable CodeXSSXXXX for ZerodDay Trading Options and AIDerivatives on Mad Open Free Gray to Black and White Hatted Markets, Jim.

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HSBC web site has Apple attitude - problem, what problem?

I just checked the HSBC opening page which has a news box on it.

Latest news (HSBC title)

My Accounts updates

Mobile View

Investments

Global Investment Perspective

Online security at HSBC

Payment Protection Insurance

Nothing reveals that they had an outage or what effects were caused.by the problem. Hardly good enough.

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And all Natwest services are down this morning - since at least 7am

IMPORTANT INFORMATION

We're sorry our Digital, Mobile and Telephone Banking services are currently unavailable. We're working hard to get them back up and running as soon as possible.

We would like to apologise for any inconvenience caused.

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Zot
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"We're working hard"

Now that's funny. What they mean is they're simply doing their job, rather than swanning about on the internet and spinning in their swivel chairs!

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How about posting the *current* bank outage - natwest - https://www.nwolb.com

IMPORTANT INFORMATION

We're sorry our Digital, Mobile and Telephone Banking services are currently unavailable. We're working hard to get them back up and running as soon as possible.

We would like to apologise for any inconvenience caused.

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And, hot on the heels of HSBC's outage, along comes Natwest. Accessing http://www.nwolb.com at 1017 BST 5/11/2011 gives:

IMPORTANT INFORMATION

We're sorry our Digital, Mobile and Telephone Banking services are currently unavailable. We're working hard to get them back up and running as soon as possible.

We would like to apologise for any inconvenience caused.

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as a natwest customer I knew about the current outage 2 weeks ago (when I had to check a box to confirm that I had read the notification about it)

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Now all becomes clear

I ordered a Pizza from Dominos' website last night using my First Direct debit card about 9 p.m., unusually it bypassed Verified by Visa and I did wonder for a second or two whether the transaction had gone through successfully.

Fortunately, it appears it did as Dominos gave me an order number and my order turned up just before 10 as ordered.

As usual it was great.

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First HSBC, then NatWest

Who's going to go down next? Are they all taking turns to see who moans loudest then just placate them and sod the rest of us?

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Pirate

Bah

HSBC = successful pirates

NatWest = incompetent pirates

Barclays = slavers

As per Slave Trade Act 1807, slavers = pirates

Hang 'em all in chains at the high water mark.

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@James O'Shea

Woudln't it be more effective to use the low-water mark? Or is there something about the process of increasing tidal water depth I have misunderstood?

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A fairly common way of getting rid of pirates was hanging 'em at the high-water mark, and leaving their bodies to rot on the gallows. If and when the smell got to be a problem, tar was usually applied. That way all who passed by (especially other sailors) could have prolonged exposure to an Awful Example of why crime does not pay.

Apparently seagulls and crows thought that this kind of thing was an excellent idea. Think of it as a 17th-18th century seaside bird feeder.

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Perhaps we should be worrying

Whether this Matt cartoon is true

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/6507609/Matts-best-money-cartoons-the-funny-side-of-the-recession.html?image=4

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HSBC don't even tell good lies.

As a recruiter I am seen as a naive fool, which means that HSBC card services decided to tell me that the reason for an awful screwup was that a whole batch of their cards had been compromised. Sadly for HSBC I also write for The Register and have written trading systems with my bare hands, so I contacted their media relations team about what was clearly a good story and they were caught in the trap of having to either admit they were lying to cover up their incompetence or that their security was crap, they chose to admit they were lying.

Of course they may have been lying about that, it is HSBC card services we are talking about here.

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Anonymous Coward

HSBC Canada offline...

Few minutes ago...seems we are now affected in Canada as well... :

System message

Please be advised Internet Banking service is currently unavailable. Please try again. We regret any inconvenience this may cause and thank you for your patience. Please call 1-877-621-8811 (Personal Banking), 1-866-808-4722 (Business Banking) for assistance.

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