What a difference a year makes. The only Finnish presence on stage during the 90-minute opening session of Nokia World this year was a dead architect. None of the five speakers was a Finn, and they said some very un-Nokian things. It’s a sign of how much Nokia is changing under Stephen Elop. Although Nokia still speaks its own …
WP7 Made for Linux Fans?
"Another differentiator is the fact that Windows Phone is actually quite good, although most punters don’t know it exists"
All the linux fanboys shoudl be running out to get one of these after they read this it's just like there favourite OS, quite good but no one uses it.
given that I usually buy some windows-installed box or other when I get a new computer, and then install Slackware on it instead, should I buy one of these winnokia phones and try the same? :-)
RE: Another differentiator is the fact that Windows Phone is actually quite good
I'll correct that:
'Another differentiator is the fact that Symbian S^3/Anna/Belle is actually quite good, although Nokia wants punters to forget about it and shove a Windows OS with less features through punters throat.'
'A true differentiator is the fact that meego Harmatan is awesome but we wan't to shove you Windows Phone through your throat anyway because we get a nice fat bonus from Steve Balmer next year!'
The trick with Microsoft is they make at one time a 'good product' to catch ppl. And when they have enough market they make crap afterwards (usually concealed as 'upgrades' or 'updates'). Most of us DO get it now and probably won't be fooled over again. Only the young punters who don't know (any better) can be tricked. Which is what they're hoping for since their target age-group is +20-year old's. Probably the most naive ones too who won't go for Android and don't have the cash to go iOS.
It's clear that the old geeks (+30/40/50-year) have already been tricked and hence aren't 'profitable enough'.
Anyway. Linux fanboys don't use Linux because no-one uses it. They use it because it has its strengths and they need that particularly. Or because it's cheap and legal (unlike a hackintosh or cracked Win7). I applaud that. Fact is Linux is a real OS with real substance, great features and unfortunatly less in the looks departement (though that's changing if you look at present distros like e.g. Ubuntu)
The case with Win Phone is quite different. No-one uses it because it's all gimmicks and no substance. It has less features than current Symbian and Android phones and is as restrictive as iOS. For instance there's no full 2-way call recording on Windows Phone (nor Android for that matter) while it's perfectly possible on even a lowly S40 phone like Nokia 2730.
No brown ones?
I believe it's called "wenge". Because "brown" isn't good enough...
I suspect that the case will be coloured blue - to match the colour frequently seen on the screen :-)
I see what you did there. ^^^
RE: No brown ones?
No please, there's enough 'brown stuff' already comming out of these ex-microsoft-bozos orifices.
Don't they get it! NOBODY WANTS A MICROSOFT FONE ANYMORE!
After the shit they put me through with Windows Mobile I'd be damned if I EVER walked that route again!
I want either that bloody N9 (and stop delaying the damn thing, you fucking Elop!!!) or a decent made Symbian device. I NEED to record phonecals and I NEED a decent navigation system and I want to use my fone without putting a condom over my head, hands or fone! And no I don't care what processor is inside nor how much RAM it has. I NEED a proper comms-device. ONE that doesn't break down after 6 months like the current crap that's made in china INCLUDING CURRENT NOKIAS!
If you MUST know... Yes I own a Nokia fone (c7-00), Yes I'm happy with it's speed and functionality, Yes I'm happy with its 'precieved' build quality... NO, I'm NOT happy with the fact that this bloody thing broke down after LESS than 6 months! Just like my Acer F1 before that and my Samsung i900 Omnia 1 before that. (FYI All of the mentioned phones have full 2-way call-recording.)
WTF is wrong with these consumer manufacturers! Get the hell out of china and build your stuff in the US or Europe! Use decent materials and perform a some REAL QUALITY CONTROL preferably with ppl who can SEE through their fucking eyes! Oh and there are NO floodings in Europe or US (expect if you build your plant next to the Mississippi) and no earthquakes either (unless you really need to build your plant in San Francisco). And I've NEVER seen a hurricane in Düsseldorf, Paris or Amsterdam either!
Good advice to Nokia: STAY in FINLAND! Get these 3000 ppl back from accenture, build a factory in finland and put these ppl back to work as you SHOULD BE! So that we have fones that last longer than a few bloody months!
I have to say it, i am sitting here at my desk in tears, that was one of the funniest keynotes ever!
I was watching the live stream and even i thought his volume levels were disturbingly erratic. The image of people flinching has put me in a laughing fit that will most likely last the entire day!
Good work El Reg you made my Wednesday!
Re: Fantastic Bootnote!
It was definitely a "Where's the nurse?" moment.
I remain to be convinced
I think I'll stick with my black N8 for the moment.
"Another differentiator is the fact that Windows Phone is actually quite good"
No it's not, you have been brainwashed by the Microsoft brain-rays at work....
It's actually very poor, and thats why consumers simply aren't interested. It's iPhone or Android, the only credible smartphone OSes...
Laughed at that
Are you really serious? Android and iPhone are no where near good - battery life is poor, processors have to be massive. Symbian is actually the best of the mobile OS's - designed from the ground up for battery life (which is exceptional), stability and lack of virus opportunity.
WinMob isn't actually bad - built on top of wince technically its actually pretty good, the dev environment is superior to all the others which will lead to an explosion of applications as soon as the phone gains in popularity.
As for the BSOD we are all so used to from windows desktop don't expect to see that ... the underlying OS, the applications on top of it, the device drivers and other such stuff were all built by a different team to the desktop guys. The hardware is much more under control (it doesn't have to cater for 20 different manufacturers from a single build), the device drivers and other Nokia specific content in this device will have been 'tested to death' by Nokia and Microsoft. I will eat my hat and yours if you get a BSOD in the first 10 years of having one.
BTW I don't work for either company - I have worked for both over the years and left for other work - but I do know my way around smartphones having worked in the industry since Nokia started it, I go back far enough to have worked on Epoc32 which was the starting point for the Symbian OS.
Barry the Fandroid strikes again...
Actually Barry, it is a neat smartphone OS that exhibits some rather original ideas. It has so far been hampered by really poor quality hardware and a reliance on Microsoft services (unsurprisingly).
It's NOT WinMob it's Windows Phone AKA WinPhon
Why do ppl keep mixing things up!
Windows Mobile IS NOT Windows Phone!
Windows Mobile (6.1/6.5) is a derivative of Pocket PC OS (2000) and build on top of an older version of WinCE. It's INCOMPATIBLE with Microsoft's current smartphone OS 'Windows Phone 7'. Which is build on a newer WinCE kernel.
Both these Microsoft smartphone OS's use indeed WinCE kernels (albeit different versions) but are TOTALLY incompatible at application level!
Or do you also say that Android is compatible with Meego/maemo (or Bada for that matter) because they're all using some Linux-kernel as base?
Apart from the hardware and the software, it's ok?
Awww.... having a bad day are we??? Go to the pub, grab a pint and chill out.
I think we all know what Dave means, no need to blow a pedant fuse over it.
I don't think you can back that up.
Everyone that I've encountered that has one loves it.
What are the short comings of the MS services that you refer to?
Zune is rock solid and fun to use.
Sky Drive works as advertised.
HTC hardware is the same hard that android uses and it hasn't been an issue there.
You seem to be missing any real data.
@ Monty Burns
Well, I'm having a pint right now.
Fact is: This IS important because marketeers use this to base THEIR assumptions on!
If ppl keep mixing up Windows Mobile 6.x with Windows Phone 7 then the generic public wrongly assumes that they are the same OS which they aren't! And then they get dissapointed because their cracked TomTom navigation program from Windows Mobile that they received from 'a friend' doesn't run on their Windows Phone device (or whatever)!
It should be made clear that Windows Phone 7 is a completely new OS JUST LIKE that Harmattan that Nokia uses /used on their N9.
To clear things up again.
Windows Mobile <> Windows Phone
N9 Harmattan <> Android
X-Box <> PS3
Linux <> BSD Unix
Windows <> OSX
Re: Laughed at that
"I will eat my hat and yours if you get a BSOD in the first 10 years of having one."
Which sauce will you have with your hat? Ah, right, you don't actually expect us to buy into Microsoft's nth iteration in the mobile space after all.
> Windows Mobile IS NOT Windows Phone!
so fucking what.
it doesn't matter if a steaming pile of shit was produced by a fresian cow or a jersey cow. it's still a pile of shit.
@Dave 15. Yeah there's no BSOD, that doesn't mean that it doesn't crash now and then, it's just a bit shy about it.
Re: It's NOT WinMob it's Windows Phone AKA WinPhon
Dreadfully sorry, but I seem to have nodded off, and temporarily misplaced my careface..
Microsoft shouldn't be allowed *near* software.
Sorry, just read any MSDN example -- Microsoft fail most elements of basic software-reliability & engineering practice. Logging, fault reporting, configurability.
And this is what they teach others.
On to business practice & software examples. Subverting and undermining "standards" to try & lock-in customers to their bug-ridden proprietary software. "Active Desktop" as a radical mis-design, turning the desktop into a webpage & HTML into something that "runs".. introducing a whole new galaxy of viruses & malware.
If IE had been written correctly as a *parser* to "view" HTML, not an "executor" which dangerously "runs" HTML, the world would have only about 8 to 10% of the current torrent of viruses & malware.
Back to mobiles & WP7.
The real problem is Microsoft's much-vaunted low processor & power requirements. Basically, the way they get those is by allowing uncontrolled native code to run. Hello viruses & malware, device drivers, DLL version crashes.. all the BS the world hates.
Android doesn't do this, it uses a virtual machine and is likely to be inherently far more reliable & secure. I get good usability & battery life with Android, too -- after 9 hours at work and one or two calls, I still have 82% battery.
Regarding the "outrageously camp colour palette": You can also have it in black - where it looks rather smart.
But I'd rather have the N9 than a Lumia 800.
I love the bright colours - thoroughly bored to black/grey phones. Not sure about the pink one but would quite happily wield the blue. The N8 came in bright orange - would definitely go for one of those in a heartbeat (Had similar feelings about the orange Sony P-series mini laptop: Orange - it's the new black)
But they did launch a white N9
So at least one decent phone announced today. :)
The White N9 is a prototype.
Unless you're a Nokia exec, you don't have one. ;-)
Also they are numbered and identified so that if something is released they know who did it.
@White N9 is a protoype
Um, no - it's actually due for release in Q4 2011:
Though not in the UK because according to Nokia, UK buyers would be confused by the N9 and Lumia 800 looking so similar.
@AC re: @White N9 is a protoype → #
Uhm ... When we saw the prototype N9, the person said all prototypes were white (easier to track) and that they all had some distinct markings so that if anything leaked, the person who leaked it would be caught...
Of course in the states... no N9 and actually as of now... no online Nokia store :-(
That Bloody Scream from the Bloody Bootnote
Almost blew away my brain before I was able to pull out my earbuds. He should be impaled for that. Asshole!!
I suppose the natural progression of things would be 1) management promising/insisting on a speedy release of a (n all) new, great product. This results in 2) getting out something so-so at best ( 2a) late, more or less). Then 3) much effort goes into fixing this which results on a strain on R&D which 4) guarantees similar or worse results with the next generation product (if any).
That looks a lot like the n9....
Like my netbook, I would get it and then put linux (meego) on it. At least it will go on sale in the UK unlike every other phone Nokia have released recently. I'd love to get some of their dual sim phones for going on holiday but am loathed to pay the grey market import tax (over 100% at least).
If I owned shares in TomTom, I'd be selling them...
I might get one of the cheaper phones for the car.
judging by profits and share price you're not the only one
Can get the mapping stuff on the existing S60 smartphones, have done, its brilliant.
"But are you going to be seen with a pink smartphone? Anywhere?"
But are you going to be seen with a Microsoft Windows phone? Anywhere?
Not bloody likely!
I'd rather have a winmob phone than an iPhone.... at least
I'll have bought it with my brain not my backside.
Windows mobile is actually both more open and more competant. With Nokia behind it you will see it has better equipment and more form factors.
Android - well, lots of hype but I've tried a couple and was not very impressed.
Probably not a pink phone for me, but certainly one of the other colours.
I'd have rather he had sorted out the S60 stuff, but winmob is excellent.
It's NOT WIndows Mobile!!!! It's Windows Phone 7! AAAAAARRRRRGH!
Windows Mobile 6.5.x IS NOT compatible with Windows Phone 7!
I'd also rather have a N9/Lumia 800 with Symbian Belle (or it's successor) than winphone 7.5
A pink phone is a great way to teach school age boys self defence. They will get bullied so much they will have to learn how to stick up for themselves.
Re: I'd rather have a winmob phone than an iPhone.... at least
"Windows mobile is actually both more open and more competant. [sic]"
We get it, "Dave 15": you worked for both companies, you're in the know, really you are! Sheesh!
But citation needed, anyway.
Stop being so pedantic, you tosser.
WinMo = WP7 = same piece of shite from Microsoft.
Despite all the nay-saying, I may well give one a go, just to be different. And who would have thought you could be saying that about Microsoft and Nokia four or five years ago.
[Looks for magnetic field shift icon, settles for smiley face]
The Scandinavian flair for design was one of the things which set Nokia apart. Being M$ or getting all Ballmery at NokWorld isn't a good thing; it demonstrates the repression of a unique quality to be all 'me too' which is the only thing m$ ever do.
I feel so bad for all those poor Finns. I just hope Elop gets chucked out for his treason before it's too late.
The white N9 has made my day though, Mrs will love that
I have every confidence that
Microsoft will do for Nokia what General Motors did for Saab. The parallels are striking.
Nokias were really boring; their phones, even the expensive ones, did not stand out.
Finland part of scandinavia...ehh?
its true a lot of Nokia terminals were designed in Denmark, so yes some scandinavian influence was present... BUT Finland have NEVER been part of Scandinavia...
Finland is a Nordic country. Finland is not a Scandinavian country.