Here's the Samsung Galaxy Nexus - aka the Galaxy Prime - launched by the South Korean Apple biter and Google in Hong Kong this morning. As expected, it runs Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich on a 1.2GHz dual-core processor and a 4.7in, 1280 x 720 OLED display. There's a gigabyte of Ram on board, and a choice of 16GB or 32Gb of …
Sounds like a noisy holiday destination...
Are all the cars there Hong King?
5Mpix camera, slower CPU
So it's worse than the Galaxy S2? What's the point?
Are they going to keep ICS locked away so S2 users never get it or what?
Wait for benchmarks
Mobile phone CPUs contain the CPU, GPU, cache, ram and hardware accelerated bits & bobs for video, audio and so on. It's entirely possible that a device may appear on paper to be slower but in practice is faster or feels faster because graphics performance is better or memory access is faster, or the pipeline is kept filled, or the cache is larger or any other reason. I have no idea if that is the case with this new phone, just saying.
Should be an easy win
The S2 runs Android 2.x. This handset runs 4.0. 4.0 uses the GPU to accelerate 2d drawing, 2.x uses the GPU only for compositing.
It's got a 4 year old GPU on it, probably wont't be breaking any speed records.
Funny how 8mp for the iPhone 4S is adequate and just "souped up", yet on an Android phone a 5mp camera is seen as okay.
Also. 4.7 inch screen? is this seen as some sort of "upgrade" in specification? it's amazing how phones have shrunk for years and that a smaller phone was more advanced. Now a bigger slab of a phone is some how better?
If a phone sticks out of a shirt pocket then that's a fail (Cue Moss from the IT Crowd phone in toilet joke). If you can't easily put it in your pocket then that's also a fail. Or is there some sort of fashion for wearing a bumbag to put your big slabphone in these days? How much video do you really need to watch on a phone?
Maybe so, but 4.0 on the S2 will blow this junk out of the water.
Agreed, this looks quite weak actually graphics-wise, and it's not exactly pocketable. Nice design but that's about it, plus you can bet your life it will be crappily built using plastic like all the other Samsungs.
It's not as old as you make out, perhaps announced in 2007, but the SGX540 GPU was the GPU of the year in last years smartphones - it wiped the floor with the Adreno 205.
The chip in the OMAP 4 is overclocked for greater performance and still holds it's own against Tegra2 and alike helped by dual channel memory as opposed to the Tegra single channel.
If anything I'd say the tech specs are broadly similar to the Galaxy S II and performance-wise there won't be alot between the two.
Last year's phones weren't driving a 1280x720 screen were they. The Galaxy S was 800×480.
GFX performance should really have doubled just for that alone, putting in last year's popular chip to drive this resolution is plain stupid.
Tegra may be single channel, but the Galaxy S 2 uses Exynos which is dual channel.
What they put in this one is a lot of old rubbish.
Talk first, check facts later
You've obviously not seen the side by side photos with the iPhone 4S and Nexus One then. Neither it seems, have you paid attention to the fact the screen is a lot more edge to edge with any extra buttons put onto the main screen area.
It's really not that much bigger:
Totally agree with comments about the size of smartphones these days. When I recently renewed my contract I went for a Desire S 'cos I wanted something I could actually fit comfortably in my trouser pocket. The flagship models may be bleeding edge tech (not this one admittedly) but they're simply too big to be practical.
The fickle dictats of fashion
Where digital cameras are concerned, the number of mega pixels isn't as important as you might think. A 10mp camera might sound fantastic, but depending on the optical chip used, the image quality could be worse than a 5mp camera. The ability to deal with low light levels is very important; I had a Nokia 5800 with a dual LED flash that resulted in grainier, lower quality images than my current Samsung Galaxy S without a flash.
I recall reading in the tech press and various reviews that the iPhone cameras have never been regarded as having a particularly high quality image output, so 8mp versus another manufacturer's 5mp offering might not be indicative of anything other than a perceived improvement.
As for video, watching Venture Brothers whilst on the train has been a welcome diversion! If only battery technology could keep up the pace :o(
Paris - because style matters, dangit!!
Exactly. The only difference between 5MP and the 8-12MP cameras in these things is the file space required to store the extra noise captured in each photograph. A decent 3MP DSLR will likely still take better photos.
It's not as if people taking photos with their phone are expecting to print them out A4 sized or larger.
Nice curves top and bottom, lets hope they have patented the design!
The design isn't new, almost the same as the Nexus S.
They just slapped a humongous screen on it.
Anybody want to buy my Galaxy S2? I'm trading up :D
Ice Cream Sandwich
Is possibly the worst product name ever conceived. I thought it was some sort of obscure reg joke.
The product name is Android 4.0
But all Android versions have a sweet-based codename - Gingerbread, Froyo and so on. It helps because the layman can identify the most recent version without being tricked with sales gobbeldigook about marks and mods.
That might work somewhere where 'froyo' is a known sweet. Here it sounds like an evil second cousin of the Bagginses.
Wait a minute!
Fro-yo = 2 syllables
gin-ger-bread = 3 syllables
ice-cream sand-wich = 4 syllables
Cup-cake = 2 syllables
Dough-nut = 2 syllables
E-clair = 2 syllables
We'd be great at charades!
Is the abbreviated name for frozen yoghurt, as made by Ben and Jerry's and sold in a supermarket near you.
Android codename progression
Ice Cream Sandwich
I for one look forward to Jellybaby, Kirschtorte, Liquorice, etc.
and before that.....
location location location
Not anywhere near me old boy. Until your post and the ones before it I had no idea 'Froyo' was something you ate. I just assumed it was something to do with Lord of the Rings or some such. Maybe the Android folks need to be reminded that there is a world outside the USA and quite a lot of it is using Android devices these days.
is all I need to say
Pull your socks up, Reg. Wired already has a review, of sorts, at http://www.wired.co.uk/reviews/mobile-phones/2011-10/samsung-galaxy-nexus-mobile-phone-review.
Will we get the source for this yet?
They only mentioned the SDK.
Must have been "cutting corners" again.
Is there a clause in the GPL that lets you withhold the source if you cut corners?
Google does release the source for the GPL bits they use, even for Honeycomb.
However most of Android itself is (was?) Apache licensed, so no issues with withholding if they want to.
But at least they're not calling it open anymore anywhere on their webpage.
Hmm I was actually excited in the build up to this launch but the end result is not as impressive as I'd hoped.
Facelock - unless it's really fast will be disabled by most.
I'm not that bothered about the camera but with 8mp being fairly standard now I'm surprised they settled for 5mp.
The CPUs while a lot faster than the iPhone (1.2 v 0.8) are not the 1.5s rumoured and "Texas Instruments" brings with it negative connotations for me.
Early reviews are saying that the battery is drained relatively fast by that amazing, huge screen.
Worst of all some early reviews are saying it handles Android with less aplomb than existing phones.
Good points: Siri-like voice, proper navigation, wonderful screen.
Declaration: I STILL don't have any kind of SmartPhone or any devices of any kind running Android or iOS.
Not fair comparisons
Does it really still need saying that CPU megahertz isn't a good measure of system speed? Modern computing systems, including mobile phones, distribute a lot of work to the GPU (another component with a megahertz number attached, although no more relevantly) and are heavily dependent on RAM and secondary storage bandwidth, including network bandwidth for most user experience purposes. You should benchmark this phone against other Androids and, if you care, the iPhone before making a judgment.
Similarly, 5mp often looks better than 8mp since the real determiner once pixels are small enough is the optics system and, all other things being equal, cramming an 8mp sensor into the same physical space as a 5mp sensor just makes it proportionally harder to expose each pixel to enough light. You usually end up with exactly the same sharpness when you zoom in but each little soft portion of image has e.g. 64 pixels in it instead of 25.
No review or article I've seen suggests anything Siri-like is included. Siri is an artificial intelligence project that happens to have a voice interface. Both Android (first of the two by a considerable margin, I think) and iOS have had basic command-based voice recognition for a long time.
My feeling is that the screen on this one is just plain too large. The 4" on the Nexus S is a lot more sensible.
over at engadget they have comparison photos with iPhone. this Nexus is huuuugeeee, will they sell it with a man purse?
iPhone 4s owners feeling sick right now...
You got the icon wrong. Here use mine.
A phone with an inferior camera and with a gigantic screen that makes you look Dom Jolly in trigger happy.
If I wanted to waste my life dicking about with an Android phone then I would own one.
The GPU and CPU's in this are dated, and won't be enough to power that screen properly. Not that there are any decent games on Android yet (everyone I see is playing puzzle games on their swanky G2 phones!) Nice curved design, but it doesn't begin to make up for the lack of quality apps which still afflicts Android, so I'll be getting a 4S thanks. Would be interested to see the battery life on this one also.
Nope. Still very happy thankyouverymuch! :)
"LTE or 21Mb/s download, 5.8Mb/s upload HSPA+ connectivity"
That'll come in really handy here in the UK where you spend most of your time struggling with GPRS/Edge.
I'm scared to ask how much it will cost though.
Skip this one....
Samsung always keeps the best phone developments for itself. It will have a S3 running Droid V4 before long.
Also HTC with their sense ui will probably make a better fist of Ice Cream Sandwich possibilities than this handset.
my 2 pence
Is this it?
Really, seriously, is this it? The flag ship original Android phone. Wow ground breaking stuff, not.
Not a flag-ship
Nexus phones are not built to be flag-ship designs, they are built as reference models.
i.e. The lowest (or close to lowest) spec needed to run the new version of Android. One of the main reasons being these will get bought by developers, so they have a reference Android 4.0 device to develop and test with.
Expect far batter phones to come out very quickly, including from Samsung themselves.
Nice basic spec
Similarly looking forward to seeing what the other manufacturers come up with based on this reference spec.
Declaring my interest. HTC Hero owner for 2 years, never rooted, broken, not a comp. sci. Would like a better camera in low light to help me rebuild whole story from the night before the morning after.
Paris because if I'd wanted something rooted.....
I CHOOSE to enoble a simple forum post!
yep.... very happy with my Hero, had it just about 18 months and have been very pleased with it, like you I*really* miss the camera from my renoir but thats the only thing I'd change... oh I'd like to have had a flash as well.
have just started to look at phones for my forthcoming upgrade.
What will it be phone only sim free?
Is there any other route to purchase other than through a network? I don't need a new contract, just the phone at a decent price!
no storage expansion slot, no sale.