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The Obama administration intensely debated whether to hack the computer networks that run Libya's air-defense system in the days leading up to the US-led strikes against Qaddafi forces, The New York Times reports. Administration officials and some military officers ultimately rejected the idea, citing the precedent it might set …

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A little late, why not 6 months ago when they were shooting at us. Clue.

The news is saying the loyalist are down to one neighborhood and key family members have been collected. This show is over. Now for the real messy part of getting many tribes to behave as one government. That will be entertaining thought probably not for the residents. Who knows they might even get a government before the Egyptians.

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Clue.

Go back and please _read_ the article. See the word 'March'? See the words "intensely debated", as in prior to "March"? So actually 7 months plus ago this was happening.

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@ notus

the US government will now target you for being in possession of cluetonium. Such a powerful weapon is deemed unfit to be in the hands of civilians.

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Big Brother

@AC 00:02 GMT

Mostly, so they can seize said cluetonium; being utterly bereft, themselves.

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Alternatively

It is easier to say "We could, but we decided not to." than to actually do it.

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Alternative alternative

... or to say "we thought about it but decided not to" after trying, but failing.

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Failing?

You mean they couldn't hack the systems they sold ka-daffy-duck all those years ago????

Now that's a fail!!

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Re: Failing?

> You mean they couldn't hack the systems they sold ka-daffy-duck all those years ago????

Maybe those sneaky Libyans went and changed the root password - who'd a'thought?

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Waste of time?

If the goverment lauched a Cyber attack against a another nation (and get caught) it would piss not only the Anons out there but pretty much the Chinese and Russians. So much that they might return the favor in kind. I do belive there is a cyber cold war, Libya is not the theater to set it off though.

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LOL, Anons would be pissed?

"Ohh nooo, the government has realized that they too can use computers to hack"....

Moving on...

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Really?

It's all wind and piss.

These are the same lot who took months to get the keylogger virus off their drone fleet.

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Don't think so

You should know better Mr Mars. Ever heard of Compartmentalization ? The intel people who know how to hack things don't fly drones. The ordinary soldier in Rommel's army are didn't know about cryptologic exploits, which made this general so successful. (google for

And all the jokes regarding military intelligence should be taken with a mighty pinch of salt - the commercial sector is fsking up their brains with all the rah-rah and all the money talk, so my bet is with the government here. Even if they have some problems of their own.

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Interesting Definition of American Led

I don't really recall many US aircraft flying over Libya to drop bombs. I'm not saying there weren't US aircraft there but the actual pointy end flying over enemy territory dropping explosives bit was mostly a UK/FR/IT thing. And I seem to remember the US virtually forcing Europe to take the lead in dealing with the Mad Colonel for their own reasons.

As a side note, I'd like to see them hack a self contained SAM site in the middle of the desert that can't even spell IP, seriously you put it on fully automatic and it doesn't even care where it is never mind what Steven Fry is tweeting about.

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duhhh!

You clearly have failed to learn the lessons of merkin foreign policy from this century!

ya shows up half way through the fight, then takes all the credit for the win.

simples

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Umm, and the last century.

Even fights that they start they aren't necessarily successful at, unless you are talking about certain people who aim to make a profit from the US war machine, in which case all their wars are pretty successful.

ttfn

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@SkippyBing

Whilst 'American-led' is a pretty weak claim in this particular little war, Obama and crew were prime chearleaders for getting in on it. Initially, most of the AAA defences were taken out by US aircraft - Plus some other participants were having a hard time getting it off the ground.

Once the skies were relatively safe and the other players had sorted out their party favors, the US backed waaay off (mostly due to a lot of real heat aimed at the "Peace Prize President" for getting in on yet ANOTHER war).

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WTF?

WTF

They where concerned about if they had to notify congress, but weren't concerned with the idea that launching missles from drones wasn't a "hostile" act because it was from drones?

I have not the words...

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It depends on what the word "launch" is...

Reasoning was that since there were no humans involved, no-one was put in harms way, so it wasn't a war, just a "kinetic action" and "kinetic actions" can be ordered as side dishes by the Obamaführer.

Any problems?

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Trollface

Obamaführer?

Of the "VG Tips*" persuasion are we?

*Explanation for our US compadres: they are a well known brand of tea-bag in the UK.

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merkin neo-nazi godwins himself for all to see on the godless intartubes!

film at 11

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Black Helicopters

Or

This is what they want their enemies to believe ...

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Why not hack the Libyan air defenses not only to keep pilots safer but also to send penis pill offers?

With all this talk of military budget cutbacks, the Pentagon needs to be creative in making some money.

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I thought the word by our professional political wankers (motto: "whatever sticks") was that Gaffi was handing the pills out for free to keep his men going during long rape sessions.

Can't make money in that case.

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So I guess Libya won't be going to a gold based currency like they planned then...

That makes the central bankers very upset when you don't want to trade your oil for debt based paper. You wouldn't like them when they're upset. They make bombs drop on you.

At least we didn't hack them. Phew! That was close.

Freedom! -or something...

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Qaddafi?

I always thought Gaddafi began with a g not a q?

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You say Qaddafi, I say Gaddafi

Both are in common use. I think it depends on how you choose to transcribe from Arabic. That, in turn, probably depends on your Arabic accent.

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yes in Italy its Ghedaffi in France its Kadhafi, but it was laid to rest by NPR (US equivalent of BBC Radio Four)

http://www.npr.org/blogs/waitwait/2011/03/01/134163629/where-the-gadhafi-spelling-comes-from

who revealed some school kids in Minnesota got a nice letter back from the old goat in '86 which he signed Gadhafi, (and my OS/browser already wants to change that back to gaddafi...)

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[gkqGKQ][h]{0,1}[a]([dt]{1,2}[h]{0,1}){1,2}[a][f]{1,2}[i]

Gadafi, Gadaffi, Gaddafi, Gaddaffi, Gadhafi, Gadhaffi, Ghadafi, Ghadaffi, Ghaddafi, Ghaddaffi, Ghadhafi, Ghadhaffi, Kadafi, Kadaffi, Kaddafi, Kadhafi, Khadafi, Khaddafi, Khaddaffi, Khadhafi, Khadhaffi, Qadafi, Qadaffi, Qaddafi, Qaddaffi, Qadhafi, Qadhaffi, Qadhdhafi, Qathafi...

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2989

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Don't get me started

Having had to fill out 50 visa applications for native Arabic speakers to travel to the USA I can confirm that not only is there no agreed standard for translating the spelling to English but that frequently the person involved will change their mind between documents. Obviously the State Department loves this.

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Who typed this CyberBS ..

"While the exact techniques under consideration remain classified, the goal would have been to break through the firewalls of the Libyan government’s computer networks to sever military communications links and prevent the early-warning radars from gathering information and relaying it to missile batteries aiming at NATO warplanes".

Believe you/me, this is total Cyber B******T, I just wonder why they see the need to post it just right now ...

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Quite...

Libyan surface-to-air missiles and radars are/were mostly 1960s-vintage Soviet kit - not nearly technologically advanced enough to be susceptible to "cyberwarfare" techniques!

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Rumour has it they did contemplate a penis pills mailshot for the Libyans but ultimately decided take-up would be higher if they focused those efforts at home.

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Paris Hilton

God forbid that that the Canadians might supply the pills.

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People in glass houses

shouldn’t reveal how vulnerable they might be to the same stones.

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The U.S. has also seriously considered nuking Libya

It would be news if the U.S. DID NOT plan to hack Libya.

The US has planned to nuke Libya nad it has not taken this off the table. Now, THIS is fact and this IS news. It's a few months old, but still interesting.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24049

Here are the latest FACTS from Libya:

http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/neo-colonialism-subversion-in-africa-and-global-conflict

http://counterpsyops.com

http://ozyism.blogspot.com

http://www.youtube.com/user/108morris108 (this one is very good, regularly updated)

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Really???

They wouldnt use cyber war when they can use kinetic weapons. Period.

less than 5% of the bombs dropped were émpowering the no fly zone - air defences were crippled in the first 2 days.

Gadaffi was in the poohouse when he signed his agreement for oil to the chineese, and threatened to refuse to trade oli for debt.

First the 'Arab Spring' and that info - cyberwarfare - now people are being murdered in the street in Ejypt... Just lat week...

Note how they tried to embroil syria - that failed - this time....

Now its a probe on Iran with that assination attempt crap.

Its all info/cyber warfare - and its all launched by us.

At least the USSR and China are blocking further madness for the time being @ the UN

Nothing less that our (western) imperialism - makes be sick in my throat.

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Qaddafi or Gaddafi

"Both are in common use. I think it depends on how you choose to transcribe from Arabic. That, in turn, probably depends on your Arabic accent."

His name is spelled with a "qaaf" in Arabic which is a q sound in Modern Standard Arabic. The "g" pronunciation of it is a regional one.

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congressional approval

"were also unsure if the president had the authority to approve a hack attack without informing Congress"

That's a bit rich, considering that Obama had no congressional approval to go to war with Libya at all. Just saying it was 'to protect Libya's people' is a fig-leaf (even though it's true). Firing missiles at military targets is an act of war that was carried out without the proper congressional authority.

Having said that, getting rid of Qaddafi was the right thing to do, and I even understand why Obama did not seek congressional approval (The current crop of fundamentalist Republicans would vote against anything Obama proposes just because it's him, even though they've happily gone to war with much minor pretexts)

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Bad car metaphor alert

“These cybercapabilities are still like the Ferrari that you keep in the garage and only take out for the big race and not just for a run around town, unless nothing else can get you there,” one Obama administration official told the NYT.

I was under the impression that the reason most people with Ferrari racecars don't drive them around town is most of them aren't street-legal. So I think they're saying these capabilities are being kept under wraps because they can't handle real-world conditions.

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