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Google's Chrome browser will edge past Mozilla Firefox in a matter of months, web stats poking firms have concluded. Irish company StatCounter foresees the Google browser becoming the second most used browser on the net by December. In the StatCounter predictions, relayed to Computer World, Chrome will sweep 26.6 per cent of the …

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Holmes

"Safari is the most used browser on mobile"

I doubt that. I would assume Opera mini is is the most popular mobile browser, followed by a clsoe race between safari, IE mobile and whatever teh android browser is called.

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Per the linked articles

StatCounter don't consider the iPad to be mobile. Their iPhone + iPod Touch share is 23.93%. Their number for Opera's share across all mobile versions (ie, Mini + Mobile + the various fringe versions like that in the Nintendo DS) is 22.8%. Nokia come in third with 16.51%, then BlackBerry on 14.28% and finally Android on 12.85%.

Net Applications count the iPad as mobile and don't combine Opera versions the numbers are arguably skewed — 55.6% to Safari, 18.9% to Opera Mini, 16% to Android and 4.7% to the Symbian browser.

The disparity on Nokia/Symbian numbers is the oddest thing. I think Android's showing is consistent with the way many Android devices are sold, i.e. without cheap data. People can want to use apps and have a decent browser available just in case without intending to browse often when out and about.

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popular != most used

Think how many iDevices there are that have Safari installed - bit like Windows+IE on the desktop.

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I don't...

How many people change from their default browser on their mobile device?

I guess MANY fewer than on the desktop

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Why would you assume that?

People have to go out and actively get Opera mini for their smartphones. Whereas the huge number of people waving iPhones about will all be using Safari by default.

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define most popular

The stats say that Safari is the most used. Even if Opera mini were installed on more handsets (which is I assume what you are getting at) I'm willing to bet the average iSheep uses the browser more than the average Opera user.

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Dolphin HD

Beg to differ, Dolphin HD is top of the list

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Ah, the Opera mobile/mini user

One question. Are you the same person as the Opera (desktop) user that's always getting downvoted on here?

Well, whatever, I'm downvoting you just in case...

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lmao

funniest post of the day, and he got a downvote from me too, stupid opera fanatics.

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iFanbois use their mobile browser a lot more than owners of other phones, so it is perfectly possible that Safari is used in 55% of visits from phones, even if it isn't on 55% of phones.

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Chrome browser 'is becoming Number Two'

It always was.

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I have to delete that bloody malware virus at least once a month as some software tries to install it. Last week it was an update from divx.

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I've no sympathy for people who click okay without looking what they're clicking okay to.

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Re: I've no sympathy for people who click okay without looking what they're clicking okay to.

While I can understand your point of view, some software providers (i.e. Adobe) who require about 50 software updates per month and change the location of the "would you like to install crap software product X while updating crap software Y" allows me to see a point of view that involves a end-user that is tricked into installing crud.

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This is why Chrome is catching up

If Mozilla used the same malware-like, sneaky, underhanded distribution tactics with Firefox as Google are using to sneak Chrome onto people's computers, they'd have been the dominant browser in the market years ago.

Google have become no better than the fucking drive-by-download malware injectors because of this practice. Every second piece of "free" software now has this Trojan browser quietly embedded in its install file, waiting for unsuspecting users to miss the tickboxes. All so the big G can better spy on everyone's browsing habits.

There must be a way of suing them for deceptive trade practices or something.

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"Would you like to install Google Chrome?"

"Would you like to install the Ask toolbar?"

"Would you like to install any other crap that's got nothing to do with the software you actually downloaded?"

The answer to all of them is a big fat no. I am not aware of any install that doesn't prompt you for this sort of thing. Even Google's own products such as Google Earth give you the choice of installing Chrome.

I don't give a damn if they move the prompts, they are still there. And if you can't be arsed to read every dialogue before you click next then you are lazy and/or impatient and I have no sympathy.

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Would You LIke Fries With That?

"Would you like to install Google Chrome?"

"Would you like to install the Ask toolbar?"

"Would you like to install any other crap that's got nothing to do with the software you actually downloaded?"

This must be an attitude/mindset that afflicts the Windows ecosystem because the adobe stuff I've installed on my Linux boxen never ask stuff like that.

Ever.

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To expand my example...

Go and download the latest Adobe Flash player.

If the Adobe site is running slowly, it is possible to click download before the third-party add-on part of the page loads.

Congratulations - you're installing crud.

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Meh

I wonder what proportion of Chrome & Firefox users have plugins that make themselves invisible to Statcounter?

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Not as many as you'd like to believe. Script blockers are not that widely used by the general public and you don't get above 15% market share by supplying software only to geeks and the paranoid.

I also find it really funny that the people that seem to be most against apple are the ones who tend kneecap their browser so that they can mimic the user experience of the iPhone.

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@Micky 1

If you knew what you were taking about you would realise this:

"I also find it really funny that the people that seem to be most against apple are the ones who tend kneecap their browser so that they can mimic the user experience of the iPhone."

Is utter rubbish.

The main script blocker that is mentioned, NoScript in Firefox, is used to _selectively_ block and/or allow scripts (blacklist and/or whitelist and on-demand). So I can only assume you've either never used it, or are too much of an imbecile to work out how to use it.

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@Micky 1 too

Hahahahahahaha! HAHAHAHAHA! AHAHAHAAA!!

I expect you're using Safari on a Mac so you don't need something like NoScript because your software is impregnable...err...wait a minute...

Back to the main topic, this is actually a good news story. All of the smaller players are gaining ground against the leader and no-one is in a monopoly position. This tends to keep them honest so nearly everyone benefits, even IE users, poor innocent saps that they are.

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Chrome confuses the hell out of me. There's no buttons or menus, everything's hidden away somewhere. I had to actually google "how do i set a bookmark in Chrome" in order to ....

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Just switched from Firefox to Chrome

I've been a long time Firefox user but thought I'd give Chrome another try the other week as it seems to be the choice now for so many colleagues who I wouldn't expect to be using a sub-standard browser.

There's not much in it, but Chrome's currently the better of the two. Sorry Firefox, I'll drop back to see who's best again in six months or so.

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Same here

I stopped using FF about 3 weeks ago for general browsing and I am really enjoying using Chrome, although I still use FF for important or, ahem, photographic interest sites!

Can't believe how fast Chrome is on screen rendering. I needed to get some tickets for the Missus and you had to be first on the ball at the Ticketmaster website, FF was taking 7-10 secs to screen refresh, Chrome was whipping up the refresh at just short of 2 seconds on the same machine.

I know it's from the evil empire and everytime I go looking for something it no doubt tell it's masters all about my browsing habits but so long as I get quick browsing and ad-blocking, which it does just as well as FF, I'm happy to use it on noddy sites for messing about. I just don't trust it yet for important or personal interest web sites!

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Re: Same here

I'm guessing that a fresh installation of Chrome is faster than an ageing installation of Firefox.

I'd also guess that many Firefox users are still using a browser profile first created a few years ago.

I'm guessing too that the aforementioned profile has dozens of extensions running and the detritus of quite a few more that are no longer in use.

I do know that a fresh install of Firefox without extensions runs very quickly indeed.

Oh, and I trust Mozilla. I don't trust Google.

Beer icon because in the browser world there is such a thing as a free beer and it has Firefox on the label.

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"although I still use FF for important or, ahem, photographic interest sites!"

ctrl+shift+n is your friend in chrome ;)

Paris :D

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Petty infighting between browser enthusiasts aside....

Whether you trust google with your browsing experience or not, at least the general public seem to be getting the idea that they have a choice now. And that can only be a good thing,

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I agree with you

That is indeed a good thing. I just wish Google didn't feel the need to behave like the Russian botnet Mafia in distributing it. Their existing marketing machine should have been sufficient.

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Count me in. I just wish it wouldn't sometimes grab all the CPU on my laptop. It stops my mouse pad responding for over a second sometimes when a page loads. I'm still not sure what causes it.

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Not too worried...

...so long as the browsers are standards compliant. So that really means anything but IE.

With a compliant browser, it should all render/behave the same and if it doesn't, that's a bug that should be reported not a "feature".

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INB4 the Opera fanboys!

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just like

the most popular car in history is the Toyoya Corolla, it certainly does not make it the best.

Browser marketshare is not a measure of anything useful, basically how much money has to promote their product. That's why the companies with the most money have the most popular browsers. Consumers are idiots, they only use what the television on internet tells them to use.

Me, I use the BEST products, not the POPULAR products, that's why I drive an Audio R8 and use Opera Browser.

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R8 *smirk*

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quick reg buy some new servers...

... we need more space for the OPs ego.

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R8

An Audio R8?

Is that the chinese rip-off copy of an Audi R8? And you use the best products you say? Indeed...

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RIP Corolla

I recently "buried" my 1984 TwinCam Corolla - best car I have ever owned.

The Corolla was itchin in the 80s :)

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Must say my AE86 was a pretty spanking car.

However the idea that an R8 is the best car on the road seems a bit strange. It's pretty effective, but it is without doubt the dullest supercar on the road today. Only Audi could build a supercar and take the excitement out of it, they've even managed to remove a lot of the character from all but a small number of Lambos.

If you want a supercar and crave German reliability then it has to be a 911, a GT3 for the best balance of insanity against practicality. But if it's the best drivers car you're after then it still has to come with a prancing horse on the nose.

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An R8?

That's even worse than admitting you own an iPhone in these forums!

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Don't assume the trend will continue

I switched to Chrome from Firefox several years ago because FF was getting so damned slow to start up. I missed all my favourite add-ins but the speed made up for it. I originally started using FF because IE6/7 was so awful.

I keep IE on my machine as I need to use Sharepoint and MSDN, otherwise it would be long gone.

However, Chrome doesn't seem as fast as it used to be and actually IE9 seems quicker now, so I may go full circle back to the beast.

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things change...

Got to agree, I tried Firefox 7 and it's like trying to browse through treacle. Even old versions of IE weren't that slow (and this machine is a quad core i7 with 16GB ram, so it's not exactly low spec). I never got on with Chrome, too many weird UI decisions.

IE9 is proving to be a far better browser for daily use and old arguments about it lagging behind in terms of standards compliance just don't stand up anymore. Who would have guessed?

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"...users who never change..."

"It seems that Internet Explorer is likely to retain its lead because of the static number of enterprise users who *can't* change their browser from their BOFHs' default."

There, fixed that for you.

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Chromium

Whilst I'm generally a Firefox user by choice, I plumped for Chromium when choosing apps for the Arch Linux setup on my Eee 701SD netbook.

The initial reason, ironically, was the small amount of "chrome" (menus, buttons, etc.) in the browser window - an important consideration on an 800x480 display - but I also found that Chromium runs very quickly on what is a pretty low-specced machine. I've bound Chromium to a Fluxbox key combination (Ctrl-Alt-W); it's ready for use within 2-3 seconds, and can handle just about any site, within the constraints of the viewport size.

Not so long ago, if you wanted a lean but fully-functional Web browser for a Linux distro aimed at old/low-powered PCs, you were largely out of luck (Firefox too bloated, Dillo too primitive, etc.). Chromium makes a great alternative if you need the "performance without the pork" - just need to check it's not "phoning the Chocolate Factory"...

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Totally agree re:Chomium/Chrome on the 701 (especially with the "No Scroll Bars Please" extension).

You might also want to try the Midori browser - it's more advanced than Dillo but lighter than FF.

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Thanks for the tip :-)

I'm vaguely aware of Midori by name, but haven't tried it - I noted that it is often associated with the Xfce desktop environment, and as I use a few other Xfce apps on my Eee, I think I'll give it a try.

Nice to see a choice in the "lean browser" stakes, anyway :-)

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Firefox dumped

When running FF5 I have very little trouble. Then FF6 came along and screwed it up. Sorted it out then FF7.1 comes along and does the same again. Dumped it.

I need to run two browsers, Chrome on one and now have Chromium on the other. No problems.

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Exactly my situation too, just when I had got my plugins working with FF6, FF7 comes out and breaks them all again. Browser manufacturers need to realise that these days, the plugins can be more important than the browser itself. If my plugins don't work in browser X, I move to browser Y.

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I can't wait to see how FF314 works, we should see it by Q4 next year...

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The whole issue of FF upgrades breaking your plugins didn't used to be much of an issue. Yes it was there, but major version upgrades didn't happen often so it was something I could live with. Now they seem to be bunging out a major version upgrade every other week it has become a major issue. I have found that some major and popular plugins had hardly started working on one version before the next FF upgrade came along. An awful lot of FF fanbois are trying to blame the plugin providers for this, but since it's happening with a lot of plugins it seems that it's Mozilla who are to blame. They just aren't giving sufficient notice of the upgrades to the plugin authors.

Way to alienate your user base guys.

I had heard it suggested that FF were desperately banging out version upgrades in order to try to catch up with the version number of Chrome, in the belief that some users are chosing Chrome because it has a higher version number. I doubt that this is true simply because I don't think anybody is stupid enough to think like that. If they did then Opera would be more popular than it is. But the main reason this is nonsense is that Google do not make an issue about the version of Chrome, indeed you have to dig to find what version of Chrome you are running.

Mozilla OTOH do make a big deal about version numbers. The reason for this is that Mozilla are aiming their browser at geeks. Google OTOH are aiming their browser at ordinary Joes and Josephines. And therein lies Mozilla's problem. There has been a massive shift in the browser market in recent years. A few years ago the majority of people choosing a browser were geeks. These days however the majority of people actually making a choice (rather than sticking with the OS default) are ordinary folk. They probably choose Chrome because Google is a name they know and trust*. You choose all sorts of products on that basis. Most people choose their car, washing machine or TV on that basis. Most people either go for the cheapest or for a brand they know and trust. Few people actually make a careful and informed descision.

So all you FF fanbois shouting about this calm down. This doesn't say which browser is best, just which is most common. Just like the pop charts tell you who's sold the most songs rather than which song is best.

* Gawd knows why they trust it.

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Ctrl-Tab in MRU

is the main blocker for me switching to Chrome.

FF my current first choice, Oper and Chrome come in a joint second.

Opera used to be my first choice, but FF with a few plugins, works nicely, and seems to cope with some websites better than opera. (gmail in opera requires a full page refresh to get it working if it's been left for over an hour, works fine in FF)

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