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Amazon has confirmed that its Kindle Fire 7in Android tablet can be rooted - and that it expects it will be soon enough. The retailer will apparently do nothing to prevent hardware hackers getting into the gadget's software innards, Jon Jenkins, director of Amazon's Silk browser project, suggested to PC Mag. "It's going to get …

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Linux

No, that sound is

Apple's lawyers deciding which Pacific islands they're going to buy with the fees they'll charge for suing yet another of these copycat "flat with rounded corners™" machines into non-existance.

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Rounded corners

Can we cut down on posting this nonsense in every story even remotely related to Apple?

It's easy to see Samsung didn't only copy the rounded corners, that's not the main issue, have a look at http://cdn.tipb.com/images/stories//2011/09/TmUj2.jpg for real examples.

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Rounded corners

> Can we cut down on posting this nonsense in every story even remotely related to Apple?

Nope

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Well bugger me

But don't Boeing and Airbus planes look similar as well? They have tails fuselages and wings!

Oh and cars - wow they look the same as well!

Its frakking ridiculous that Apple can sue over the shape of a product.

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Metavisor really nailed that one

Not only has it got rounded corners, but it comes in a cuboid cardboard box, just like Apple!! And the USB adaptors are almost identical (to every other USB adaptor in the world)!!!!

Case closed, I think ...

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but

Like the play book it doesn't have a button

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FAIL

I liked the "what you see when you open the box" one: the product! I'm not sure quite what you thought a person might have seen - Krakatoa erupting, perhaps?

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Why stop when we're having fun?

It might not have the longevity of the picture of a certain former newspaper editor and an "Asian babe" but I think there's mileage in it yet.

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Copying

Let's see...

Store: has icons for Apple products among many others. If the device can use those programs, what's the issue?

Adaptors: Apple's is more rounded, is white, is assembled in a different manner. As for overall shape, I'd assume that's probably the most convenient one to house the components.

Box: most product boxes show an image of the product contained within. Samsung's occupies less space and includes the name of the product, whereas Apple's doesn't. The open box shows that the Samsung is a different aspect ratio, besides which what do you expect to find when you open the box other than the product itself? How could they have done that differently?

Connectors: almost certainly a standard design.

Voice recording app: sure, they both show a microphone - but the designs of microphone pictured are completely different, and the rest of the screen is set up differently.

-oOo-

I'm sure there are plenty of other products that share at least some of those alleged similarities.

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debunked

this, and many other collages of it's ilk have laready been debunked as fabricated nonsense. The charger and cable for example are mostlikely sourced from a generic plant - the ones that came with my asus transformer look exactly the same too. Sure, some things do look similar, but then they are also a pretty obvious way of designing them.

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Feel free to post what other companies were using these same designs *before* Apple.

Peter48 the Asus Transformer came out after the iPad, so not sure how it makes it fabricated nonsense.

Anyway this is off topic for the Amazon device, as at least Amazon tried to be creative. You don't see the Kindle reader app being a clone of Apple's iBooks (or vice versa), while the same can't be said of Samsung's book reader app...

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Re: Jim Booth

Actually, you may not be aware, but high end car manufacturers will sue others if the design of the cars seem too close as theirs. And yes, it comes down to curves, fins, shapes of the front grille or headlights, the colour combination of the interior, etc.

But go on, ignorance is bliss and all that.

-dZ.

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I don't actually believe that..

... as Daimler didn't sue the Chinese manufacturer of a car that was in essence a dupicate of a Smart Fortwo

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@Robert Long 1

Thank you for that one... I just about managed to stifle a loud snigger when I read that. My work colleagues would have started to wonder what's so funny about spreadsheets and error messages :)

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Pandora

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Interesting decision

What about the DRM? Will regret that decision when someone inevitably comes up with a freetard Kindle book reader app?

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But the Kindle reader software is completely free. You can run it on a PC (Mac or Windows - or Linux with Wine) or on an iPhone, or on an iPad, or on an Android phone or tablet.

(Hint - the Kindle Fire is an Android tablet).

And any DRM-breaking that might or might not have already happened has nothing to do with rooting the Kindle Fire. I'm reading Kindle books on my Sony Reader.

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The kindle reader is free, but this tablet isn't only a Kindle like the other dedicated, e-ink based, ones. This is Amazon's media device, so there will be movies, music and apps to be bought too.

It's those that need further protection and where Amazon has a financial interest in stopping DRM breaking

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Well just checked out those comparison pictures and you've certainly confirmed it for me, they both look like completely different and individual products. Perhaps Apple need to sue Asus, because when I open the box, there was the product sitting right on top in all it's glory and the USB cable is very similar. As for the box, how dare a company put a picture of their product right there on the front of it. Samsung even had the blatant cheek to write Samsung Galaxy Tab in big letters right on the front of the box in a totally deliberate attempt to fool people into thinking it's actually an iPad. As for using a completely different looking voice recording app, they should be ashamed of themselves.

Oh did I happen to mention you were an idiot, it appears not... you are an idiot, there you go...sorted!!

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"freetard Kindle book reader"

Ignoring the weak 'freetard' label which seems to imply that wanting to have access to epub formats on a kindle is socially irresponsible..

http://calibre-ebook.com/

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bootloader

I'd think if the head of the Silk project (one main part of the tablet) "doesn't know" if it's locked, then is quite likely that the boot loader IS locked and probably very much so.

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Hoo-bloody-ray!

At last, a pad manufacturer/supplier/whatever with a sensible attitude to what folk might actually want. Simply make your choice - root it and void your warranty, or don't and keep it. Most of us are adult enough to make our own decisions. Not to mention that, at that price, you could buy one to hack and one for keeps.

It's also worth noting that not all hacks are bad. Some even enhance the operation of the original firmware and OS.

Good going, Amazon. Let's hope others follow suit.

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Ermm

Care to explain how is this any different from the other tablet makers?

We don't even know if the boot loader is unlocked or not, and from his silence on the matter I'm guessing it is locked.

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Re Care to explain how is this any different from the other tablet makers?

It's very cheap.

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At AC 1606

Not sure the OP was think of cost...

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Good Lord, exec actually talking sense!

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Currency conversion again!

$199 (£199)

Please! :)

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WTF?

You're a bit out there, look at the price of the new cheapo kindle: $79 in the states becomes £89 over here.

So apparently the extra shipping and taxes make up 40% of the price (based on today's conversion rate of $79~£50).

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Not quite

As I understand it, the US$79 model is advertising-supported. The non-adverts model is $109 = ~£84 inc. VAT. So in fact, we're getting a bargain - and the US price won't have included state sales tax, whereas the VAT price does of course.

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Will people stop comparing the price in America!!! Do your research before complaining. It's so much cheaper in America because it's add supported: every time you switch the thing off an add will show on the display until you swtich is back on again.

It was still going to be about £79 in the UK, but there's no adds on the UK one, so it's £89 instead. And a good thing too: adds for the entire time you own a product? No thanks.

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Currency conversion again! + VAT + cost of recycling +...

Amazing that you Brits are that clueless.

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Actually you're comparing the cost of the ad supported model in the states to the non-add supported model we're getting here.

But do carry on, why let facts get in the way of your opinion?

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Given its built in man in the middle attack...

...being rootable is the only way I would even consider buying such a device or recommending it to anyone.

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There's a man-in-the-middle attack (Silk) and a man-at-the-other-end attack (Amazon withdrawing books...even if they've promised not to do it, the ability is still there).

Rooted is the only way I'd use or recommend the device too. Have an upvote, Mr. Lord.

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Title Not Needed Or Wanted

... Just waiting for the tablet-ards to come out whining about the fact that if only it was ~50 cheaper - quadcore - with 256GB SSD + Direct Link to Skynet then they might be interested in parting with some cash to pick one up etc. etc.

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Nope

the biggest fail is no 3g, so a mobile consumption device with a small storage area, and no expansions, but you can pull everything from the cloud, except when you are mobile, which is when you really want a 7 inch device?

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Re: AC 13:45 GMT

So you're getting in with some pre-emptive whining about the whiners? LOL

If it gets release this side of the pond with anywhere near the price point it's at in the states, not at 1 dollar = 1 pound then I will be grabbing one of these. I need something to replace my aging book reader and after consideration reckon that a seven incher is the perfoect form factor for me. Large enough to \llow a comfortable font size and small enough to fit in a pocket.

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3g?

Why would I want to pay another monthly fee for a 3G subscription when my smartphone, which is always with me, already has one?

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I've got a Three MIFI thingie, so a WiFi only tablet is fine. Ditto a Kindle ereader if I ever buy one. When my smartphone contract runs out, I can downgrade it. Quite a saving all round.

The E585 also takes an SDHC card up to 32GB, but I don't know if a tablet can see it by WiFi.

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No front facing VGA camera

FAIL - or iPad one clone...... might wait for the second coming.....might create Amazon fanboi's

As for the hacking of the tablet, maybe the fact Amazon have spent $0 in trying to secure it has something to do with the cost of the final product.......

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Haters gotta hate

VGA camera? Yeah, I think you've nailed it's Achilles' heel there.

*rolls eyes*

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Why are you worried?

Your IPad presumably has got one

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Not many books have those either.

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Cool

Why waste millions on securing and re-secring your device when you can spend all that moolah on making the user experience better, or providing top-drawer content. Especially as only a tiny fraction of people will bother anyway...

You listening, Stevo? Are you?

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totally agree..

..I only bought an iPod touch (i know, i know....i'm sorry) 'cos I could jailbreak it and make it more useful (it's still a toy though). But this....I'll be watching developments on this keenly ...

Does it have and SD card slot too? I can only wish.

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Locked bootloader or no locked bootloader.........

..............it will be rooted in no time flat and if the custom ROM boys are not already cooking something up I'll eat my hat *and* yours. Amazon can after all afford to have a very relaxed attitude to this (if they are sensible). When it comes down to it how many of their customers are likely to do this, percentage-wise? It will simply generate even more "buzz" round this iteration of their Kindle line.

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Quite

And for some reason you (and previous post) got a downvote? Who are these people?

Anyway, it's pretty simple. Don't bother protected the device - it's takes ages and lots of cash, and gets rooted immediately anyway. The only people who root anyway are people who probably wouldn't have bought the device unless they could. So unless you are selling each item at a loss, it's a no brainer. Make money, or don't.

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Not sure why you say Amazon can have a very relaxed attitude to this, when even Google (which usually has a very relaxed attitude to copyright) locked Video rentals out of rooted devices.

According to most media Amazon is also partly subsidising the cost of the device, so it seems even more important for them to contain any rooting (and avoid piracy)

I think Amazon will be just as good as the others. Sure they won't take anyone who roots their devices to court - mainly because it's been proven they can't - but you can bet they won't make custom rom users lives any easier.

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To which some of us reply...

"Who ______ cares?" If Amazon is a bit cavalier about the attitude of rooting the Fire, there's a fair hint that Amazon isn't too concerned about hardware losses, meaning it's probably selling very close to cost either way, meaning at best they make a little bit with each sale and at worst they take a slight hit that's easily recovered with e-book sales that can still be made on rooted Fires (since Android already has the Kindle Reader in its marketplace). Meanwhile, a potent $200 7-inch WiFi tablet at least piques my interest. Perhaps not now, but a little later on after a little hands-on time I may get one and root it myself so I can put in additional readers such as for PDFs. Amazon, you have my attention...

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+++ath0@ RE "Not sure why you say Amazon can have a very relaxed attitude to this, "

Well, I did include in brackets "if they are sensible". Furthermore I made the point that only a small percentage of their customers are going to do this and so (as others have pointed out) it would be a waste of effort and money locking it down. I also made it pretty clear that IMO it will be rooted *however* hard they try to prevent it - the temptation will be way too much, with the result that Amazon will achieve nothing. The people who have the knowledge/inclination to do this will do it, end of.

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