A Microsoft manager has left the company after tweeting a less-than-raving review of a forthcoming Nokia handset running the Windows Phone OS. Joe Marini, until recently a principal program manager for web activities on Redmond’s smartphone operating system, is thought to have run afoul of Microsoft’s strict social media policy …
"Given the current lackluster demand for Windows smartphones the company is hoping that its partnership with Nokia will force users to accept the OS by ramming it down their throats."
And why is that a bad thing?
More competition in the smartphone Market can only be a good thing for consumers.
"....the company is hoping that its partnership with Nokia will force users to accept the OS...."
Could you please explain how forcing someone to accept something is competitive?
Yes, more competition would be great. But we are talking about Windows Phone OS here. Where's the competition coming from?
@Norfolk 'n' Goode
How is Microsoft forcing anyone to buy their phones? You can still buy an iPhone or an Android phone...
How many hardware companies has Microsoft killed off?
My feeling is that Nokia has gone from sick to dying, though I'm not sure how much of the blame belongs to Microsoft. Nokia did a lot of their own damage. Perhaps they were pushed, but it isn't as obvious as when Microsoft encouraged Palm to jump off the cliff.
Anyway, if there's any justice in the world, Microsoft will NEVER make a nickel on WIndows CE under any label. That sill won't keep them from leaving a trail of dead companies behind them, but at least they shouldn't make any money out of the wreckage.
I think the icon I really want for this post would be a dollar sign written in blood... Tough graphic to design in small size, however.
I think you'll find they've already made plenty of money from Windows CE over the years, and its really not that bad when used for the right application. If it wasn't, it would have been killed long ago.
But anyway, WP7 isn't based on CE anyway, so not quite sure what your point is....
Windows Phone 7 _is_ based on the CE kernel and userspace libraries with Metro on top of them.
There are loads of industrial things, e.g. touchscreens, running CE. I wonder if the system designers knew how MS was going to leave them in the lurch when they adopted it?
If there were any justice in this world...
Bill Gates would be hung by his thumbs for a month then sent to prison for the next 500 years.
I guess you don't care about the $30 billion he's donated to charity and don't think worthy causes need the tens of billions he's pledged to give in the future.
because that's not his money he's giving away, it's OUR money.
Well, up to a point.
Hey, does the name "Carnegie" ring a bell with you? Gigantic philanthropist of the twentieth century. And yet not a universally popular man. Funny how that works.
Titties are required
As far as I'm concerned the billions amassed by Gates, Allen & co were aquired through anti-competitive and monopolistic practices. Billions that have ultimately come from our pockets. Even if you've never bought a Microsoft product in your life it's certain that a portion of the taxes you pay end up in their coffers through government purchases.
I'd rather have that money in my pocket and *I* will decide which charity benefits from it.
Please, can you guyz stop with this crap.
There is no ounce of charity in Bill Gates, it is alll bullshit and you are buying it. Check what he is doing in Africa, go ahead. Anonymous have blown the whistle, too ....
He is placing American companies to impose patents and all that shit on the third world ... which I consider a crime against humanity.
Yes, Anonymous, that paragon of reliability and accuracy, who certainly don't have an axe to grind against any big business.
Anyway, your (and the above commentators) hatred of MS and Gates shines so brightly that you are totally blinded to any good works he or they may have done.
If he has not an ounce of charity, why has he given so much money? Why didn't he just keep it? Why did he leave MS to concentrate on his charitable foundation? Why does the likes of Warren Buffet contribute to the foundation?
Charity? Pah! Most people donate to charity (at least at that level) to cleanse their image and get tax breaks.
I don't really subscribe to either extreme view but these people already have so much money they could never possibly spend it. It's nothing for them to 'give' most of it away as they could still live lives more opulent than anyone can imagine... and they don't have much imagination.
Whether or not you consider it 'your' money depends on your World view and whether you regard wealth as being earned, created or appropriated.
If that really is your outlook on life and how you see charity and the people that give to charity, I pity you.
Also - If you look at people like Warren Buffet, you'll notice them publicly asking to have more tax levied on them.
I love my Windows Phone 7 and will be buying the Nokia version when it comes out.
The best mobile OS combined with cracking hardware surely can't be beaten!
if you want to survive on these forums, stay off the drugs.
a great advertisement for WP7
If you are thinking of replacing a £400 device that is only a year old, with something that is guaranteed to work the same in just about every way, that is hardly a sign that your preference for that platform is based on careful and rational analysis of the options.
Joe Marini, is that you again? Isn't it comments like this that got you into all that trouble in the first place?
Re: Can't wait!
You must know my friend then, he has the other windows phone thats been sold ;)
can't tell if trolling
or just very stupid
"cracking hardware"? That's Nokia's current dodgy manufacturing processes for you!
Yeah, mine too. They'll fix it under warranty.
The hardware cracks?
"Can't be beaten"
A Stanley Fatmax Fubar would be my tool of choice for that, although any heavy object down to the humble stone will do just fine. It will also beat fanboi reviewers.
"The best mobile OS combined with cracking hardware surely can't be beaten!"
It most certainly CAN be beaten, and I've got the sledgehammer to prove it.
Turd, meet Brasso. Brasso, meet Turd...
If there were any justice in this world...
Irritating internet trolls with zero knowledge wouldn't be allowed to waste our time.
Oh dear, MS think they are actually going to compete with Apple with WinMo...no way. Let Apple keep the more-money-than-sense crowd and compete for the Android and Blackberry users.
From what I've seen Windows Mobile does have that extra bit of polish over Android, and Nokia can make very decent, if not spectacular, hardware. So they should go for the high-mid range phones, and an 8 sounds very good for that.
I'm hoping Ice Cream Sandwich brings some polish to android, it needs it.
I think you'll find that you can get an iPhone contract for exactly the same price as a contract for an equal-power HTC handset running android. The whole 'Apple is for people with more money than sense' doesn't really work with the iPhone. Sure, it works with most of the macs, but not the iPhones and while we're at it, I'd hardly call the iPod Touch an expensive item either.
The only thing that the android retailers have over iPhone is the ability to sell a budget model.
WP7 Phones aren't even on the radar, considering Balmer's attitude when the iPhone was first released, I'm glad. Screw him and screw crappy MS.
I completely agree with your view on Windows Mobile - but I think they can compete in all markets.
The advantage that Microsoft is that they don't create the hardware so they should be able to work with the high, mid and low end hardware producers to complete in all markets, personal and enterprise. Given that Windows licensing is a numbers game they should not miss an opportunity. The danger is in chasing everything without a proper focus - building a solid platform to work accross tablets, desktop etc is a a great start that covers a couple of basis without dividing corporate focus.
"The advantage that Microsoft is that they don't create the hardware so they should be able to work with the high, mid and low end hardware producers to complete in all markets, personal and enterprise. "
Ah, but that's been MS' approach to everything, and the only thing it's won them is the PC market. Everything else has been a fiscal drain or has "won" due to their spending ghastly amounts of money.
The tight integration has been Apple's secret sauce. Because they make (or rather design and control the manufacturing) of the hardware, they can make tighter integration of HW and SW, which helps debloat the SW. (Notice I said "helps", not "prevents".) That didn't win them the PC market (and we know a lot of the factors in that), but it's been a boon to them in portable music players, phones, tablets, ...
And even then, their reliability/return numbers in PCs is high, their PCs tend to be higher quality (in terms of lifetime, time of usefulness, first in class with X technology, etc), and the satisfaction ratings are pretty good.
"I think you'll find that you can get an iPhone contract for exactly the same price as a contract for an equal-power HTC handset running android."
That's just laughable! Orange retentions recently offered me (without any haggling) a choice of HTC Sensation or Samsung Galaxy S2 for £20/month on a 24 month contract with 600m/Unltd txt/500MB data and £50 up front for the phone. I'd like to see you get an iPhone 4 for that price, let alone an iPhone 5.
One of the prime reasons Android got such a big foothold in the smartphone market in such a short space of time was the pricing (then there's the overpriced accessories and apps and the extra charges to use tethering, etc, etc but I'm not here to bash Apple). When it comes to tablets that's why it's, so far, failing. The manufacturers simply haven't undercut Apple's prices.
I reckon Nokia and MS may get a share of the market. Nokia have traditional strengths in HW and distribution and Phone 7 isn't too bad by all accounts. As someone else has said, if they can price their mid-market offerings right they could yet survive. Everyone seems to be talking in terms of 'woot!' or 'fail', what about 'meh'?
I think YOU'LL find that while the purchase points are comparable, Apps for iPhone generally cost a lot more for the exact same functionality on an identical or comparable Android app.
A bit slightly besides the topic but would I be an invited journalist to follow some kind of presentation yet being forced to sign some stupid "no disclosure" contract then I'd simply ignore the whole kaboodle and walk right out of there.
Of course making sure that I /would/ share my experiences and my personal opinion about them.
In other words: Why are people still paying attention to stuff like this ? IMO its best ignored; which is about the worst thing you can do to a company trying to make his new product better known.
Provided this story is true then I think its stupid. On one hand they try to make themselves look like they care (allow users to raise their voice on their forums, also sharing their own news and messages to which people can respond) but on the other hand stuff like this ? Looks very stupid.
"brings some polish " I refer you to Robert E A Harvey's post (06:50), see above
I've got a Pre 3
Is this the right room for an argument?
No, but we promise to take turns making sympathetic noises in between the pointing and laughing.
Look, I've already told you once!
Back to the article...
His first tweet seems harmless enough to me.
Interested in his candid assessment of the hardware. 8 is a good score though. twitter is a powerful way to communicate with customers though, got to be really careful.
When WP7 launched websites and magazines were all saying how tightly MS was controling the hardware spec for phones that it ran on. Rumour was when Nokia shot both it's feet off was it got a special deal to allow it to innovate a little which was closely followed by oh no they were on a level playing field with other MS clients. Expect those other clients have alternative OS on their other phones. Nokia is now a captive client. There's no way they could survive another two years of the kind of mismanagement they have suffered under Elop so its WP7 or bust. I like Nokia phones, typing this on my N900 right now. But I think my next phone is going to be another N900 if I can find one. Probably an E7 if I can't or a grey market import N9 64gb if I can afford it. Anyone who wants a WP7 already had a HTC or won't have need of what will be a more expensive Nokia when the time comes and they're sitting side by side in places lke carphonewarehouse.
Oh and while I understand why they would disipline him on principle firing him seems like over kill.
8/10 is a positive review
I am sure was fored for something far more scandalous, at a JQuery after-party in his hotel room.
You don't understand
8/10 is a sane person's review, probably boosted by a point or two for company loyalty.
But in Stalinist - er - corporate America, anything less than 25/10 supported by ranting, shouting, pointing, whopping, jumping around, and total rave raviness with an extra side order of bonkers methed up extraversion counts as damning negativity.
If you're not permanently expressing soul-exploding shouty enthusiasm you're just not fully committed to Ballmer's Castle of Towering Awesome.
It's pretty sad really.
One of the largest consumer corporations in the world can't survive without primary-school level brightly-coloured super shiny fun pants happy clappy crayon marketing.
That is too true. Many restaurants here in the US offer surveys about the quality of their service. If you give them a 4 out of 5 the server gets dinged for not getting a perfect score. Over here that kind of rating is something to be punished for. I'm not even sure what a server would have to do for me to honestly consider them a 5 out of 5, I'm not a terribly demanding customer average service is ok by me.