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Engineers in Sweden have announced the development of a prototype tank which is covered in "pixels" that enable it to disappear from thermal images – or to disguise itself as something else. The "Adaptiv" system, funded by the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV), covers the test vehicle in hexagonal panels whose …

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Joke

Picture: How future visible-light versions of the stealth tank might look in action.

pardon me Sir, i don't see any marks on the grass. is this picture an accurate reproduction - or is it hovertank ???

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It's the tree

"Alternatively, the pixels can be manipulated to present the appearance of something other than a tank" - Can't you see it? It's disguised as a tree

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Ah

Corporal Svenson has learned the first lesson of not being seen: do not stand up.

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Picture

No. 5 The Larch

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re: Larch

Genius. Pure genius! Thank you, you made my day.

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Or:

How not to be seen

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Headmaster

titular correction

I think you'll find it's No. 1 - The Larch

/me shakes head at all of the upvotes...

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comedy 1 - 0 pedantry

It would appear 21 people min got the reference, and 21 people either couldnt be arsed with the pedantry or actually thought the reference was still funny.

Wheres Big Billy Goat Gruff when you need him?

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We've been here before...

http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2010/11/21/base_station_results/

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Other applications

Can this be used for other applications? Like sneaking past my manager on Friday afternoons?

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Happy

re other uses

If you switch into reverse, it saves washing the car

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Mushroom

Isn't that a picture of Mrs B.J. Smegma

of 13, The Crescent, Belmont?

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Who said..

Those Monty Python boys had no sense of humour - BJ and smegma in the same name.. so rude!

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Covered in pixels

If this is covered in pixels you could switch this over to the car industry and you can customise your car with a quick play in Photoshop or your image editing software of choice. No more expensive paint or fixes for small scratches. Instead you can pay for expensive pixel panels.... oops.

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April already?

Where'd the rest of the year go?

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title

Who cares? Summer's almost here!

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Hmmm...

Given that a tank is likely to be warmer than its surroundings (OK, maybe not if it was in a desert during the day), then. essentially, they're covering their tanks in lots of little hexagonal fridges?

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at a guess

Peltiers

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Fridges? Peltiers?!

It's obvious that there is a net heat production for any type of cooling (and Peltiers are some of the least efficient), and on top of any engine heat.

So either this also has a giant tank of liquid nitrogren or so, or it only works on a non-running tank and non-sunny days (as the heat would build up too)...

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T59's in the Thar desert

I can confirm that tanks left in the desert all day get "very" hot.

After using a T59 tank in the Thar desert, 54 degress C in the shade, all day it really was not advisable to climb onto the tank without gloves.

As for going inside to fix some kit, it was not a very pleasant experience.

TBH the thing that struck me most about the T59 was how small it was inside. I know the Chinese are usually quite small but I had to be very careful when in the gunners seat that my shoulder/right arm didnt get too close to the breech when firing.

As to a commander getting in and buttoning up behind me, I am 6ft 6in, then to say the least it was "cosy" and you became very "intimately" acquainted, as did the driver's head to your crotch.

I really do hope the modern ones are a lot bigger inside.

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The really neat part

They're flat packed for deployment, and the tank crews assemble them in an hour with a hex key and a small hammer.

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Ahh..

The Trundlovaa.

Bloody thing only has Swedish assembly instructions and always has a bit missing.

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Piccie LOL

Ron's eel.

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Messed up post try again

Is this actually needed for tanks?

They are not exactly quiet nor small.

As BAe Systems tank is the most well armoured and most potent - would it matter?

Would it adversly affect the armour?

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Quiet and small

The CV-90 actually is (rather) quiet and small(ish). This is not a full MBT but rather a light tank (~30 tons, a 40mm Bofors and tiny silouette). And diesel engines (unlike gas turbines) can be frightenly quiet, nothing like sneaking in the woods and stumbling into one of these which has been lurking, observing and ...waiting.

Had a Leopard do this to us, snuk up upwind, couldn´t hear or smell him until he cracked a tree. Would have been far to late by then...

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True...but

As a Mr M Gaddafi, lately of Tripoli found out, fast jets, armed drones and helicopter gunships will nail any conventional force vehicles they can see, if allowed to operate with impugnity overhead.

I imagine that the guys bringing death from above would be using the mark one eyeball in conjunction with the thermal imaging on the targeting systems to visually locate and identify a target, then ruin its day.

May not be so good against millimetric radar though....Here's a Swedish newspaper link with a few snaps of a CV90 with some slapped on the side and the effect. http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/fordon_motor/bilar/article3246446.ece

Would it affect the armour....no.

It may have an effect on the suspension and the wallet, based on the weight and the cost.

(zips up kagool)

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@ Quiet and small

If they are huge and loud, switch on the little external fridges round the edges a to give it a Pacman shape, huge speakers blasting "WHATEVER INNIT WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT INNIT WHATEVER" in a loop and the enemy will think they are being attacked by an army of teenagers coming to loot their country. They'll be waving their white flags even sooner than if they thought they were real tanks

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battlefield hacking

according to the swedish article linked by Jake Rialto 1;

"In order to be able to be controlled as pixels in a TV, they sit together in an electronic network, where each one has its own IP number."

so now you just need to hack the tanks' LAN and turn it bright fluro pink :)

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Council planning...

Could this be used to fool your local council into thinking their draconian planning and building regulations have triumphed, when in fact the owner's got exactly what they wanted?

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nukes are us!

Can't see it?

One large bit of ordnance will do the trick, some bright spark will come up with a huge cluster bomb - make it clusters of panit balls and no more hidey-hidey tank.

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Mushroom

Give it 6-12 months...

and that'll be the next BAE systems project - anti pixel-tank guns....

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Title we don't need no stinking title

LIDAR

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We don't need no stinking EMCON

Or, you know, the ability to see our oponents when it is raining. Or they're in vegetation. Or its a bit dusty out.

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re: nukes are us!

Paintball nukes! Awesome!

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LIDAR...

Only if you desperately want them to know where you are too...

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You could always fake your location

using LieDAR...

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Other applications

Like making a Range Rover Sport appear like a little electric car to avoid the congestion charges

Boris wouldn't see that one coming...

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the good bad and the title

"Boris wouldn't see it coming"

not if it was imaged to look like a big red C on the floor....

maybe just let it fire when his heat signature is in range :D

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Happy

Or the reverse-

To keep the riff-raff at bay.

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Interesting picture

Wandered out into the field and took a randomn photo of some grass and trees? Stealth is a 'relative' thing as you can't exactly make a 60 ton tank completely invisible and even a deaf person is going to 'feel' it coming at over 200 hundred yards away! Until they get rid of those gas turbine engines and drop the weight a little, that is never going away.

Lewis must be slipping, he seems to be praising a BAE invention? Granted, not a British BAE one, but BAE all the same. Maybe he has needed to go and lie down after this article?!

Now thermal reduction on a warship and disguising it as a fishing trawler is a great idea. Might just give those Type 45s a sporting chance against super sonic sea skimming missiles, assuming the Russkies did code it to have a smart warship identifier seeker rather than a 'kill anything it sees' one... Or is it only the Western powers that are that considerate?

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Pixels?

Woe betide them if the tank's rectangular with rounded corners.

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That's ok

They can use interpolation, anti-aliasing, interleaving and other tricks to give the appearance of another object, smooth or sharp edged.

I'd like to see someone hack the system to make other shapes: a shark, maybe, or a dinosaur would be cool :-)

ttfn

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Who will they ever fight

Judging by youtube what you want to blow on on a thermal camera is a 4x4, if it's tank then that doesn't make much difference.

Unless they plan to invade somewhere by stealth, where the enemy only has thermal imaging and everyone is blind. Seeing a tank parked up even while it;s not firing is going to raise questions.

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Death from Above

Given most tanks are killed by air-to-ground, I'm not sure this is all that useful.

As pointed out, 60 tonnes of gas turbine powered metal is pretty fracking hard to conceal. Stealthing it to make it look like a car/truck? Em.... probably sounds cool to the guy in the pub, but seriously? Whats the point? Look at recent conflicts. UK forces put big flags on top of jeeps etc so as not to get blasted by passing 'friendly' aircraft (not gonna point the finger at any nation in particular here...) You think fighter aircraft are going to pass up an enemy vehicle because it looks vaguely like a (very odd shaped) truck on IR?

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Tanks in disguise?

"...present the appearance of something other than a tank – for instance a car or truck."

Or a huge and fearsomely beweaponed alien robot of course.

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Surely it should be disguised as the very lovely Paris?

The porn potential for this invention should not be overlooked - Swedes and squaddies being what they are...

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Nah - been done already

> An Adaptiv-clad CV90 light recce tank will be exhibited at the DSEi armsbiz expo in London later this month.

Big deal. Last year they exhibited a tank using the Nevah-seen-nuffin (tm) engago disapearo system, and no-one noticed. Might have been because the "sales team" were exhibiting the battledress version, of course.

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I think I didn't see that before...

Didn't Jaguar do that with a one-off XKR? As I remember it passed it's arctic tests with flying... err... colours.

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Mushroom

Monty Python: How not to be seen

This is Mr Nesbitt of Harlow New Town. Mr Nesbit would you stand up please.

<pause>

Mr Nesbitt has learnt the value of not being seen. However he has chosen a very obvious piece of cover.

<bang>

ARRRGGH!

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Windows

You beat me to it!

Bugger!

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