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Barely one day after the IFA consumer electronics show in Berlin opened its doors to the general public, Samsung had to pull its unreleased Galaxy Tab 7.7 from its booth, including all posters and promotional materials. A Dusseldorf Regional Court recently granted Apple a temporary sales ban on the earlier Galaxy Tab 10.1 model …

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The 7" too?

Wasn't it the 7" tablet that Jobs made jokes about before that it wasn't a real tablet?

And now it's too close and confusing to Apple's Tablets?

What planet are the lawyers living on that they're able to get away with all this? And why aren't Samsung's lawyers knocking these things down easily?

Perhaps they're building up a huge list of issues to assault at once, as what's currently going on (and how obvious it'd be to knock these points down) doesn't appear to make much sense to me.

Photoshopped evidence, prior art, Jobs himself saying it's not comparable.

I mean, instead of the doctored evidence, couldn't Samsung just say to the Judge. Take these 2 products fresh, no-one else touching them, fresh from the factory. Turn them on. Do they look/work the same? (and throw in PalmPilot Colour/Symbian/Meego/WindowsCE devices to add to the fun)

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Well ...

If Samsung wins this lawsuit, maybe they will be able to claim damages?

Other than that, Apple's suit is essentially claiming that they defined the image of tablet when in fact they have simply copied previous tablet ideas and used modern parts to make it a more usable device. They then turn around and claim people copied them!

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Nice thought

But then the judge has already looked at Apple's evidence, which took the form of a large cheque, and deemed it to hold greater validity.

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Apple Lawyers Live on planet Money

Since Samsung do not use IOS or other apple pipware it cannot be a knock off dead, but their lawyers do live on planet money,

How are they able to bend facts to suite their altered reality and make money along the way?

Apple are just ensuring that I will never have a toy pad with its Ipip rubbish.

Apple cannot even get a sales site working properly, I used to buy gift cards for a daughter suckered into one of the apple toys. Then apple could not manage the site so shut its function down

Still they did offer me the 'convenient' (their lie) alternative driving round the countryside to see if I could find a shop selling them, convenient, -not!

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Errrr....

You mean... like the gift cards they sell on the apple store? On apple's main site? Those gift cards?

http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MA144B/C?fnode=MTY1NDA3NA&mco=MTY5NDMxMjg

The ones they still sell?

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They would not sell them to me after several years of trade

Perhaps they followed my suggestion after all and called in a real software house, I suggested Microsoft when they refused to make it work, they never told me if they fixed it so shoudl I know via mind reading (tm).

Mind you are you saying that they now sell them for delivery via snail mail order?

I used to be able to buy them in real time, order and get them sent to the registered user of choice but then it all stopped when they 'had a technical problem',( their security was borked).

After a real bust up with the children on their hindrance desk when they had their (un)helpful suggestion of driving round town (at 11:00 p.m.) I never went back to their dumb on/off line 'store'.

Gee I have not missed their 'our way or no way attitude'.

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We get it

You pathologically dislike apple. Now stop fucking posting about it, it's really boring.

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Surely not a cheque ?!!...

In matters of this sort, a bag full of cash would seem to be preferable, in which case, no cheque-cashing charges can be levied by the recipient's bank.....

Henri

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Mushroom

Guess where else on TV a near-iPad or pre-Ipad can be seen... Not Trek, either...

No, it is not Star Trek. It is Battlestar Galactica, in a Season 4.0, Disc Two, Episode: The Ties That Bind, aired April 18, 2008.

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Portal:Battlestar_Galactica_%28RDM%29/Episode_Guide_-_Season_4_Guide

At 10:23 seconds, Kara Thrace, sitting in her cabin in the Demetrius, a data tablet is visible sitting on her desk.. At time index 10:26, she is actually handling it.

Is that an iPad, slyly pre-announced by Apple? If so, it would have been in the year 2008. I seriously doubt Apple in 2008 knew it was going to finally lock the iPad look to what it was when announced in April 2010. Has Apple EVER pre-announced by 2 years something it dearly though was crucial to its survival? I don't know, but I doubt it.

In Razor, also in 2008, this Acer Tablet:

http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/off-topic-chat/12209-asus-r1f-spotted-battlestar-galactica-razor.html

http://www.galacticabbs.com/gallery_images/1197404170/gallery_187_45948.jpg

was seen. It is not as thin as the one later aired in the "The Ties That Bind" episode.

Some more images:

Starting here:

http://www.galacticabbs.com/index.php?app=gallery&module=cats&do=sc&cat=206&sort_key=caption&order_key=ASC&prune_key=*&st=640

http://www.galacticabbs.com/index.php?app=gallery&module=images&section=viewimage&img=258910

http://www.galacticabbs.com/index.php?app=gallery&module=images&section=viewimage&img=257830

http://www.galacticabbs.com/index.php?app=gallery&module=images&section=viewimage&img=258318

http://www.galacticabbs.com/index.php?app=gallery&module=images&section=viewimage&img=258020

http://www.galacticabbs.com/index.php?app=gallery&module=images&section=viewimage&img=259370

http://www.galacticabbs.com/index.php?app=gallery&module=images&section=viewimage&img=258325

http://www.galacticabbs.com/index.php?app=gallery&module=images&section=viewimage&img=258012

Now, the tablet shown might be the same as in Razor (I haven't read all the comparisons and screen caps), but from the face shots only, the tablet Thrace is holding, if really not shown on edge, could be confused as a prototype iPad.

Now, why isn't Acer banding with Samsung, or did the two secretly band but are not talking about it (or, did they discuss it openly and i simply not read about it?)?

Seems to me, Apple grabbed an opportunity and ran with it. The Acer or whomever's tablet Thrace is holding is displaying the notion of picture in picture, which implies interactive capabilities, probably just like one might expect in the ages ago Space: 2001 tablet.

Yes, it's been said many times that the courts threw out the look and feel argument by apple, but the screen interactivity displayed in 2008 would seem to be prior art that can be claimed as a valid defense by any the crosshairs of apples buckshot-spraying attorneys.

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Samsung Tablet

Ah yes, I remember Samsung's Tab and their 10.1 debuted before the first iPad didn't it! Hmm actually no, it only came out a year after the iPad was released and actually created the tablet market you see today. Would Samsung have ever released a tablet form factor computer to any success without the iPad? I would say no. Nobody thought there would be a market for one before Apple's brilliant insight as MS had singularly failed to be able to for 10 years previously. It took everybody else a year at least to be in a position to actually create these clones, and it's not hard to see what their inspiration was. What short memories people have...

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sony tablets

<ironic>

yes, sony tablets (especially model P) totally look like ipad!

</ironic>

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"many indistinguishable iPad-alikes"

"Along with a wedge-shaped Honeycomb tablet, Sony released a dual- screen clamshell tablet"

Seriously, being sarcy is great Reg trait, but when you contradict yourself within three sentences, it's a BIT daft.

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You just SO didn't get it.

Not much more to say.

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Can I quote you on this?

'This year's IFA turned out to be Apple's tablet Waterloo'

I'm not sure which Waterloo you are referring to, but from where I am looking there still isn't a single viable competitor to the iPad. Most of the

As el reg reported yesterday, of the 1 million Samsung Tabs shipped, only 20,000 have been sold, and Samsung is the maybe the most popular non-Apple tablet.

Let's see if Amazon's Kindle iPad knock off manages to gain traction. Amazon has the content store to rival iTunes, and the cash to sell at a loss, but the Amazon Android marketplace is still a bad joke compared to the Apple Appstore.

Oh, Steve Jobs' other baby, PIXAR, really do make movies, and very successful ones too.

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No, as the Reg reported yesterday...

TurkGuvenligi

Hacked

Etc.

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Never been

You've never been to the Android Market, have you?

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Waterloo?

As in there was this egotistical leader with a large force, and was trying to take control of Europe?

When his enemies started to mass, he sought to defeat them by attacking them piecemeal before they grouped up.

He was being held in battle by one force which stopped him before he got to Brussels when, in the end, he was stopped by the Germans.

Could be a very prescient statement

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So That Why I don't Go to the cinema

Thanks for clarifying why I do not visit the cinema any more, 'give me the pip films' strike again.

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Amazon Appstore is US only

So, I have looked, but I can't touch. And I predict that the new Kindle will only work with the Amazon Appstore.

On the plus side, I see there are nearly 16,000 apps now though, which is progress. It is still pretty poor in comparison to Apple.

Remember that almost none of these apps have been written to run well on a tablet. They are nearly all phone apps

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The Amazon tablet is the thing

Samsung, Motorola and the other big names have managed to get serious traction for Android in the mobile phone space because people already know they need a phone and Android handsets are very competitive. Conversely I think they're doing much more poorly with tablets because you have specifically to want one (because carriers aren't generally subsidising them so you're not very close to getting one either way) and people don't necessarily think they want a tablet. Apple's marketing machine here is a benefit because it isn't saying "you want us not them" so much as "here's a new type of thing you want".

I think Amazon are going to distinguish themselves by significantly reducing the price, by adapting a more sophisticated marketing drive than "you know those tablet things that Apple are on about, well we make one too you know" and by really promoting the thing through the single most popular storefront in the world today.

In a year it'll be Apple v Amazon. And supposing Amazon have forked Android and are paying Google nothing, they have neither the interest nor the legal right to attach the Android brand to their tablet so I don't foresee much of a halo effect.

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@dave 93

If your developer in Apple App store and your app is in the top 100, you get to share of 61% of the Sales, if your app is in the 99.97% (the rest of the apps) you get to share the rest of the 39% of the Sales. I did remove the 37% of the free apps, from the 500000 apps, it made it easier to do the math.

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Great publicity

If even apple say your product is too much like an iPad, it's got to be good for sales when they're allowed to happen.

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Just redesign you tablet. Not that big of a deal

Do Samsung not have any stylists? Other manufacturers can make tablets that don't look almost exactly like an iPad (notably Sony, HTC, and Asus). So why can't Samsung?

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Re: Just redesign you tablet. Not that big of a deal

It can. It's just Apple isn't after the others yet. If it wins against Samsung, you can bet it will.

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Err, actually

"It's just Apple isn't after the others yet ..."

they are. Apple also got a temporary injunction against some small, practically unknown, reseller called Jay-Tech. They sold some cheapo 7-inch 2.x Android tablets.

Anyone still arguing that Apple is going after Samsung because the devices look too similar has to be barmy. Or blind. Or whatever. Unless, of course, the typical Apple-customer can't tell the difference between devices of completely different sizes and materials.

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@Apple's tablet Waterloo

I guess that makes the Galaxy Tab Samsung's Waterloo East.

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@Apple's tablet Waterloo

Mornington Crescent

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What's a title?

I haven't bought an Apple product since the release of the 160Gb iPod Classic. Not being a touch sucker, I didn't buy shitloads of apps to tie me to the platform and sold it on to my housemate who promptly wrecked it like all her other electronics. Now I don't have to worry about giving Apple a cent more of my money. Apple really fail at keeping non-fanbois in the loop with actions like this.

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All very noble

However looking at Jobs' bank balance he doesn't seem that bothered that quite a large number of people aren't buying his shiny toys as there are plenty that are happy to take part.

Similar to the fact that I'm a veggie and so is my wife, but some how MaccyD's and BK are still in buisness despite our personal stand against meat eating!

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@AC 11:39: And how would you feel...

...if Ronald McDonald stopped Beanfeast and Quorn from selling products that were a little bit like meat, despite being totally different?

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@BorkedAgain

Tell you what. It would be incredibly cool if /God/ stopped beanfeast and Quorn from counterfeiting his design.

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@BorkedAgain: And how would you feel

Well, the little franchise in Australia called the Pancake Parlour managed to make Ronald change his pancakes to hotcakes ...

and a little burger joint called Burger King in South Australia managed to make Burger King change their name to hungry jacks.

Go little guys.. but not Apple in this case

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"We will prove that it's not who makes the tablet first who counts but who makes it better."

Haven't Apple already done that?

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there are those who think

that Stringer doesn't know his arse from his elbow but that he talks as if he very much does. That would certainly explain this latest outpouring of stupidity.

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If other manufacturers copied Apple's lead...

...then there'd only be one car manufacturer (four wheels and moves from A to B), one washing machine machufacturer (box that cleans clothes), one microwave oven manufacturer (box to heat food), etc....

This whole thing is just stupid. Not to mention the stifling of innovation.

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LOL

Since when has telling other people to stop ripping off your designs been stifling innovation?

Innovation means coming up with something new. Samsung can do that any time they like, Apple and others aren't going to sue someone for doing something different.

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What Samsung should do is...

...have mysterious, unexplainable production problems for certain tablet displays. Just until all this blows over, y' know?

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What the what?

I remember a few years ago, Apple used to make stuff, some of it was overpriced and overdesigned (laptops), some of it was really pretty good (iPods) and some of it no-one cared about either way. I had no strong opinions, just valued the beauty of choice. I just cannot understand this legal approach - now they're the big dog they're throwing their litigation toys out of the pram every 5 mins. This is making money only for the legal profession - and presumably p!issing off a lot of potential customers. A senior judge needs to throw this sh!t out of court and put a lid on it before every damn tech manufacturer sues everyone else for manufacturing anything even vaguely rectangular with a screen. I sure won't be buying Apple (obviously this boycott will hurt them massively....)

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"A senior judge needs to throw this sh!t out of court and put a lid on it"

I agree.

Or the incompetent, competition-stifling judges who award some of this bs (over-broad patent, trademark, copyright nonsense) need to be thrown out on their asses.

Can't we vote this current system out?

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This is nothing new for Apple...

...in the late 80's (maybe 90's my memory is not that great) Apple spent many millions trying taking Microsoft to court claiming it inverted WIMP (Windows, Icons, Mouse Pointer) user interface.

After about 3 years of claims & counter claims, Xerox sent someone to court. They proved they had invented the original systems some years previous to any Mac, and had all the documents to prove it. Only then did Apple withdraw they case completely.

Apple has always spent many times more money on lawyers that R&D and will probably continue to do so until it goes broke. It is worth remembering until they "invented" the iPod, Apple was on the verge of going broke, as sales of Mac's were to low to cover the lawyers fees let along the cost of R&D for hardware and software.

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Erm

Microsoft had licenced parts of the GUI from Apple for Windows 1.0. Once Microsoft expanded their GUI for Windows 2.0 and 3.0 it kicked off.

Microsoft settled with Apple later on any way, it's why Office is still made for OSX and why Apple shipped Macs with IE for a while.

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RE: This is nothing new for Apple

No, Xerox lost because it waited to long to file a suit the statute of limitations had expired. That was back in 1990 and they wanted $150 million dollars. They could just cash in their shares for more than that as they licensed the GUI to Apple for 100,000 shares @ $10.

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Revisionism?

'After about 3 years of claims & counter claims, Xerox sent someone to court. They proved they had invented the original systems some years previous to any Mac, and had all the documents to prove it. Only then did Apple withdraw they case completely.'

No. Xerox's case was dismissed as they didn't have one since they had licensed the GUI to Apple. Xerox didn't invent the "original systems" either, that was the done by luminaries like Doug Engelbart and Ivan Sutherland who had been influenced by individuals such as Vannevar Bush. While the courts found in favour of Microsoft, they settled with Apple in 1997 with cross licensing deals and Microsoft's purchase of $150 million of non-voting stock, however this was in no small part due to Microsoft's illegal use of QuickTime components. But hey, changing the facts and making shit up is a much better way of making your trite rhetoric valid.

'It is worth remembering until they "invented" the iPod...' In much the same way Google "invented" Android then, or Microsoft "invented" the Kinect.

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this is getting silly

Of course all tablets will look a bit like an iPad in the same way all SLR cameras, five-door family hatchbacks, headphones, airliners, ICBMs and yachts look similar, it's a matter of form following function.

For exactly the same reason all very thin laptops will look at bit like a MacBook Air.

Apple needs to be slapped down and hard over this bullshit.

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That isn't it

Tablets have certain dimensions and characteristics that are dictated by the form factor. i.e. a 10" screen, the main board, battery, speakers etc. dictate its dimensions and so forth. Then there is stuff like the styling, trim etc. which has nothing to do with the form and is purely aesthetic.

Samsung sailed too close to the wind and gave Apple an excuse to throw lawsuits at them. There are lots of tablets out there, ranging from generic to extremely distinct. There is no reason they should resemble an iPad except in their basic form.

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but...

isn't that exactly what Apple are suing for? Because the Tab's are rectangular with rounded corners? ie. their basic form?

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Form factor?

"Tablets have certain dimensions and characteristics that are dictated by the form factor."

Haven't we already established that in the "evidence" that Apple presented in the Netherlands court, they had doctored the photos to disguise the fact that the Samsung has a different form factor than the ipad?

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Some people don't appear to get it

Downvote all you like but the simple fact of this matter is Samsung brought heat on themselves here. Tablets from various high end manufacturers - Lenovo, Toshiba, Sony, Motorola, Asus, Acer etc. mysteriously manage not to look nothing like an iPad. That the Galaxy Tab does why it's being sued. While I really dislike Apple, it really isn't hard to see what their beef is here.

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It seems you don't get it...

...Motorola were also mentioned in the German injunction against Samsung. Take a look at the Apple's design 'patent' that was used in the injunction: a rectangle with curved corners and a black bezel with no buttons. Would anyone really consider that more square corners is enough of a difference? I doubt it so what are manufacturers meant to do? As it stands Samsung are the first but they won't be the last if they lose.

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varsas

They should just overturn it since other companies already had "mobile computing devices" around before the design registration, with slate form factor including those free of rows of buttons and with rounded corners. Its nothing new or distinguishable about it. Not even that it had mobile hardware and embedded/mobile OS. They just released it when the hardware was good and software had converged from being a lot of custom rolled mess. They should have credit as LG as well for producing nice screens in the seizes suitable for tablets though. First mass market success doesn't make you king of squares though. But neither is there any confusion between Apple's products and Samsung's which makes it ridiculous to sue for the looks.

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