In courts across the world, Apple has accused Samsung of pilfering ideas from the brains of Jobsian fondleslab engineers. And Samsung has now responded by accusing Apple of pilfering ideas from the brain of Stanley Kubrick. As noticed by inveterate Android watcher Florian Mueller, Samsung recently filed a court brief in …
Nice try with the photoshop, but Angry Birds runs in landscape :-p
No need to look as far back as 1968 for "2001:A Space Odyssey". I would have selected Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987-1994) as the source of inspiration for the iPad.
Even the name (PADD) is similar.
PADD vs. 2001
The PADD looks more like a conventional notion of a terminal from it's day or even more like an older tablet device from the current era. However, the tablets from the Discovery look like they could have been planted by a time traveling Apple fanboy.
Thought as much when I recently watched that movie.
Oddly enough just after that I heard a radio personality (who used to be a pop musician) complain about tablets and movies like 2001. Said that they "ruin the experience". Felt like a glitch in the Matrix.
Re: Why 2001? "(1968)"
While defending infringements, you want to go back as far as possible to show that the idea has been around for a while.
Ender's Game. This makes many references to a "desk" and from the description, it is clearly a what we now call a "tablet".
...are valid patent stoppers, so the Enders game reference may be valid
e.g. Waterbeds and Screen Savers: Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert Heinlein
Had forgotten about Enders Game :) Thanks for that and a brilliant book.
In the first Foundation novel (~1951)..
Hari Seldon's (?) new recruit, Gaal Dornick, wasn't offered the use of Seldon's 'calcPAD' or something similar to do a quick bit of psychohistory prediction.
It doesn't record if it was a calculator-like device or more like a tablet
This is a title
Flame, to roast the popcorn. This is going to be an entertaining battle...
RE: Yeah so...
Frankly, I'm more amongst the lines of "Ridiculous".
They're all a bunch of weeny girls.
"weenie girls" - you mean Apple?
"weenie girls" - you mean Apple?
How any of these tablets got through a patent application is beyond me, if its not 2001 where they were seen, they are evolutions of the Star Trek PADD.
Just searching for PADD gives us http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/PADD which shows a good likeness to every single design of Tablet I have seen on the market today. The first designs go right back to the Original series in 60's
Because the application isn't reviewed
"How any of these tablets got through a patent application is beyond me"
it's simple, really. The community design process does not include any review for prior art; if your papers are in order, your design is granted. The process expects that community designs which shouldn't have been granted will be thrown out on legal review or via a dispute process (you can file a request to invalidate someone else's RCD).
I could file an RCD on the iPad 2 (or HAL...) tomorrow and, if my paperwork was in order and I paid the appropriate fee, the EU would grant it to me. If I tried to sue anyone using it as evidence, things would likely go hard on me in the court case, but the RCD would be granted.
Who said it was patent related?
Apple have just said that the design of the UI, galaxy S phone and the packaging is too similar to their own. That comes under design copyright.
You can't patent how something looks since patents are about new non-obvious processes.
Re: Giles Jones
"Who said it was patent related?"
You're both right...
...and also, you're both wrong. Apple is suing based on community design law, which isn't copyright law, patent law, _or_ trademark law, exactly. It's closest to the US concept of design patents.
Wavey hand patent....
I do recall, in the recent past, El Reg had a story about Apples intended patent for being able to control a 'phone not by touching it, but waving at it. WAve up and it slides up, wave down and it scrolls down.
Much like the computers and radio on the Heart of Gold on Douglas Adams H2G2. Is /that/ prior art as well.....
If it, and I do have some sympathy with Samsung here, almost everything we use now has a history in Sci-Fi, good and bad. Remember the computer in Blake 7 ? And the Apple Cube... ?????
as i recall a chunk of the blakes seven machine was an acorn system 1 - 6502/uart/1k ram/ 11*7seg led display/hex keypad and a tape interface.
my first computer.
had to solder it all together myself... brilliant stuff
or did you mean orac?
see the acorn here
Piloti is definitly refering to Orac :-)
"And the Apple Cube... "
I don't know about the Cube, but the horrible blue iMac case was copied from the Dyson DC03 clear. Sir Dyson even has a letter to prove it which he will show you if you get too close.
Of course they are not competing for customers, so it's all nods and smiles rather than laywers at 12 paces...
"the horrible blue iMac case was copied from the Dyson DC03"
I always thought the iMac sucked…
Lange/Masters outsourced most of the tech and instrumentation production to ensure realism - the list of aerospace & IT companies working on the film, along with NASA etc was more than impressive.
Pretty likely it was IBM or Honeywell that knocked up those tablets and definitely the case that a great deal thought went into their design.
It is IBM
It was IBM, as can be seen from this handy HD screen grab here: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showpost.php?p=1927237&postcount=8
You'll also notice the row of numeric buttons along the bottom. Sort of makes it look a but less like an iPad now. Oh, and that it has sharp corners instead of (the widely ridiculed) rounded corners of the iPad.
Then try Star Trek NG, and the Borg movie they made. Go to Youtube and type iPad and Star Trek, you'll see what I mean. Same rounded corners, same exact size, because its simply the obvious next step between a piece of paper and a notebook. I bet flying cars are going to be kind of roundy and aerodynamic too, quick Apple, better patent that first.
Now I feel unclean...
Having read a few posts on AppleInsider, I have this slimy sheen of fanboiism al over me...yuck. Mine's the one with the anti-slime paint on it.
Well, duh. When I first saw the iPad I immediately thought of the Pad in 2001. Same dimensions, same look, same everything.
The conclusion is that the iPad is not an original design because there existed prior artwork in a movie. Might make the tablet form factor public domain? Whopee!!!
Public Domain like light sabres :-)
No no no, Apple stole the idea from the Ohio Art Company!
I've done extensive research on this, here:
After minutes and minutes pouring over evidence, it's conclusive.
More likely Alan Kay...
Apple got the idea from Alan Kay and his Dynabook, since Alan once worked for Apple. The Dynabook idea, started in 1968.
What did you pour on the evidence?
I personally think maple syrup would be rather tasty...
Don't forget OAC's key UI innovation
Maybe this will stop Apple from trying to patent the "shake to reboot" feature I hear they're introducing in the next iOS version.
ummm these arnt pads
they are part of the table. unless dave and friend have used rulers to place them in exactly the same place as each other.....
Watch the film
If you watch this scene from the beginning you see that one of the astronauts carries his pad to the table before he watches it. However there is some truth in what you say. The "video" on the pads is a 16 mm movie projected onto the screen from beneath the table, like every screen on the spacecraft ( ref The Making of Kubrick's 2001, Ed Jerome Agel 1970). Arthur Clarke called the device a Newspad.
ummmm they are...
take a look at a better quality version of the picture...
Dr Haywood Floyd had a newspad
If you read the book, which came out soon after the movie, there's an episode where Dr Floyd (the scientist who gives the talk on the moonbase) is reading his newspad whilst on the shuttle flight to the moon. He is described as subscribing to many of the news services, so he's having to pay to see the content.
So If I were to watch the film 2001 on an ipad, would that in some way disrupt the space time continuum?
... it would make Baby Steve Jobs cry.
so please avoid doing that.
Serves 'em right.
"Apple did not respond to a request for comment. But this is because we didn't send one."
Now THAT is proactive reporting. hahahahaha
1997 pretty much looks likes ipad there as well ...
So why didn't Samsung produce the Tab before the iPad then? Samsung has had 40 years to produce the Tab.
Of course Samsung are copying. Any of these companies could have produced an iPad before Apple, but they didn't.
Apple don't make the displays, so someone obviously thought of it before them.
Who makes these displays... hang on... Samsung make some of them... oh and Apple use them...
Erm, but, but...
Aren't displays used in other, unrelated devices, like TV's, laptops etc?
The pad device is more than just the display. Apple got there first in taking the components and making an attractive, workable, user-friendly device. I'm not a big Apple fan, but they are very competent designers.
And Nokia 770
I have a Nokia 770 internet tablet in my drawer. I've had since about 2005-2006. That's at least a couple of years before even the iphone (let alone ipad).
It's amazing. It connects to the internet by WiFi, plays music and videos, and lets me control it by touching the screen, including scrolling by dragging the brower contents (I think that the iPhone browser is even based on the same code). If I take a photo of it from the right angle and darken it and change the aspect ratio it even looks like an ipad...
Seriously though, I hope that the personal computer you are using was manufactured by IBM. They are the only ones allowed to manufacture personal computers, you know. Oh and I hope that your car is a Ford; they are the only people allowed to mass-produce cars (as long as the round wheels are made by Fred Flintstone, he was the first to make round wheels...)
Saying that only 1 company can make a computer that is rectangular, has rounded corners and is flat... W T F ???
not really to your point but...
I would suggest this is because Samsung does not have the sway with media (honestly Jobs takes a dump and its front page tech news) and certain members of the population that allow it to create a market segment. If Samsung were first to introduce a tablet device the form factor would be rightly ignored. If this is true then there is no tablet market but instead an iPad market. If you want to play you need to make an iPady device (and make it cheaper too).
Because of course Apple never copies anyone....
Why didn't Apple produce it earlier?
What Apple did was prove people wanted to own an implementation of *an existing idea*, not create the idea. If Apple had patented *selling pads* then Samsung would be in real trouble, luckily that's a hard one to get past even the US PTO (where US stands for Useless).
What this does is destroy their design patent protections because clearly, someone designed beat them to the detail as well as the broad idea ;)
Are you guys seriously suggesting that the Nokia 770, which is silver and has a whopping great clusterfuck of nav buttons on the front looks and feels just like an ipad?
Get a grip guys.
Well if you are going down that line of argument
Leonardo de Vinci produced the initial design for the helicopter in 1483. Took a while for technology to catch up to the point it was practical, cost-effective and profitable though.
THe fact of the matter is that in the case of the Galaxy tab they are indeed blindly copying Apple. It's in fact the only fake iPad that's been legaly sold (until now that is) except it doesn't run iOS. But from the looks of it, I wonder why Apple still do business with Foxconn? They could have just asked Samsung to manufacter the damn thing.
This is all Clive Sinclairs fault! Why the hell did he introduce me to computers 30 years ago? Now I'm "evolved" into an antisocial computer-geek who's prime "hobby" is spending time on El_Reg.