The atom-smashers down at CERN have invited Joe Public to lend some computing power to the search for the elusive Higgs boson – the "God particle" which theoretically gives mass to all other particles, but has to date proved elusive. Scientists are hoping that the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will finally nail the Higgs boson, …
is stealing the data with out spending billions bulding the experiment in the first place
Noone is stealing data as no data is being put out onto this system. It is purely simulation.
So what are they actually doing that can be separated-out in portions manageable by non-communicating classical computers? Statistics?
AFAIK, computing anything quantum on classical machines needs very tight coupling between the nodes.
... SETI did something similar back in the 90's.
I expect the result will probably be just as conclusive.
Since SETI was essentially trying to find patterns in that static you see on an untuned TV, CERN have a slightly better chance I feel.
'No god' particle, surely?
If they find it, you're right. Until then 'god particle' will do for it's existence is mere believe.
If they don't find it
It will be the "dog particle"
Worst-named Particle Ever
Physics is all about mechanics. Theology is all about motive.
They are two distinct fields, and those who believe the fields intersect are either short on sense or heavy on hubris.
20 years ago CERN launched the WorldWideWeb (Thanks to Sir Tim and friends) - obviously it was a cunning long-term plan so that now they can save a fortune on super-computers by using their offspring to do their number-crunching for them!
They'll never find it...
Particles don't exist, we are all waves, the 'boson' phenomenon of waves exists in another dimension.
I'll get my coat...
...wait I don't need my coat.
I'll check the BOINC site instead. LHC@Home 2.0 you say? Hmm...
Since my country runs 90% + on hydropower and my leccy bill ain't that expensive, I'll give it a go.
No Higgs - but gravitation deciphered already
Cern sounds quite like the medieval church in some ways. Although, much more benevolent in behaviour. Except may be their cruelty in guzzling up billions of public fund.
Finally, like the Church managed to produce a mammoth global network of Christianity, Cern would succeed in producing a universal 'Cretinatti' of persons blowing with the 'cloud' and oblivious of their physical existence.
The Church too verified so many physical science facts and indulged in so much of 'nail pulling' research in those days; Cern keeps on verifying so much of SM and does merely with a lot of nail biting!
But where is the last piece in the SM puzzle or is it like I Ching says in image 64 (wei ji, before completion)-- the ship of the state had almost crossed the ocean when it got sunk and they had to start all over again?
Why not a bit of voodoo and to push in the last piece? Mercifully, our modern folks sound to be a bit more sophisticatedly honest than to attempt that!
No advertising of your incoherent theories this time?
Do let us know when you've got some concrete, replicable results.
Until then, hush.
Some gag order?
Or a kind of Stalinism on web? Thanks.
It's a free society, at least, free enough to speak. Of course, you will know as soon as the USPTO publishes the disclosure.
Dude, stop trying.
You're trying to out-stupid amanfrommars. Unfortunately, while stupid, his comments are sufficiently hard to understand that most people give up trying.
Yours are more clearly written, so the lack of meaningful info in your drivel is all the more apparent.
data getting sucked out of cern??
so that'll be the black hole all those tin foil hatted 'experts' warned us all about then.
For the disCERNing computer user
Please explain why CERN require these simulations. Do they not have the means (LHC, etc) to perform actual experiments?
One thought would be to discover exactly what set of circumstances would produce the observed results.
In other words, "We have the answer, now what's the question?"
You are trying to test theories with the actual experiments
To work out which theory is correct, you need to model & simulate all the theories and exclude those that the data does not match.
You make a hypothesis and then you test it.
In this case the hypothesis is used to create simulated results, often monte carlo production, which are then compared to the real data.
Sounds like the data is being sucked into a black hole. The foilies were right!
would this work on EC2?
I have a free instance going begging.
Are all these people El Reg staffers..??
How come no matter which story I read in El Reg ALL the comments come from the same few people...??? Are they all staffers at El Reg..??
Re: Are all these people El Reg staffers..??
Hmm - we have about 5000 regular commenters - and of course a few hundred who are part of the furniture, almost.
I'm the tired old hat stand over in the corner.
Signups are on hold
It's still in beta test and being actively debugged, so right now they really only want people who're prepared to help with that process.
If it's just to clock up WU points on BOINC, better look elsewhere. I haven't had a valid work unit yet, although the task crash logs did help pinpoint a problem with the VM.
Don't sign up to anything like this
It sounds far too much like a 419'er
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