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Sony Corp's compact discs and DVDs warehouse in Enfield, north London, was on fire throughout the night. The Japanese electronics giant may have been caught up in the riots that sporadically swept across London on a third consecutive night of trouble in the capital. However, the firm is yet to determine the cause of the blaze. …

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Anon

Another spin off from the activities of Anon? Enough said.

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Nah

Probably someone else up for a bout of "Extreme shopping"

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Mushroom

not even

This is just another lovely gift from the the poor trash chav class England has been building for so long.

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This is turning out to be an expensive year for Sony.

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Unhappy

Sony may be assholes...

...but even they don't deserve to have their shops and factories pillaged like this. And this is coming from someone with a whole list of reasons to dislike them.

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Indeed

I also doubt the chav scum that torched the building even considered whether the rebuild will occur somewhere else and, as such, yet another opportunity for their worthless arses to be employed will have been removed from their community. Having said that, after seeing one of these street monkeys talking on TV I doubt anyone would employ them - shoveling shit would be beyond their intellect.

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Insurance

It's you, me and everybody else paying.

The only people not paying are the looter scum.

Unfortunately since the police have had their teeth removed there is really no effective way to sort out a mob like this.

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Business Continuity Plan ?

"there will likely be some impact on deliveries". The warehouse is Sony's sole content products depot in the UK.

Disaster recovery plans/Business continuity plans shouldn't be confined to just core IT systems...

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And...

...are you willing to pay for it?

Warehousing, transport and so on is very expensive.

Do find it odd that a major warehouse is in London though, shift it a few miles away and save a fortune in costs.

Chances are this is stuff waiting to be shipped onwards so the likes of Amazon, HMV will still have large stock piles and the CD pressing plants will go into overdrive.

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You will find...

It's in Enfield near the M25, not London. Space around there is already dirt cheap because no-one wants to live near the M25.

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They'll be fine

Just download off the PirateBay and get Knock off Nigel to burn some copies.

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title

You said BURN some copies!

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WTF?

Did these guys know something?

http://www.heise.de/ct/schlagseite/2011/16/

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Mushroom

No Great Loss

It's very telling that a mob would burn down a warehouse full of X-Factor contestant albums, rather than steal them to re-sell on ebay or dahn the maaaahket.

'Cos let's face it - that's all Sony sells these days

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Devil

Mmmmh...

I'ld say the arson was performed AFTER the looting...

It brings me back to the good ol' days of the golden horde...

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Not just Sony

That warehouse was used by one of the largest independent record distributors. A lot of small independent labels lost their stock in that fire and probably are now bankrupt.

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But that's not news.

As Microsoft didn't tell the idiots it was fashionable to hate anyone else other than Sony...

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oh look

it's "SteveBalmer". Hi "Steve".

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Exactly...

Loot what you can fit in whatever transport you have, then burn the rest to prevent other looters taking more goods to flood the market.

Them chavs got business sense too you know!

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Not just Sony product

The warehouse is the main stockpile of UK indie distributors, and they may not be insured if it was down to rioting. Those doing are probably sodcasters; grime continues its evil march.

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Sucks to be them

They should have embraced the medium of downloads sooner, and in a bigger way.

I find it hard to muster any sympathy for the music biz. Sorry.

And being uninsured due to rioting? So basically they're in the same boat as every other Londoner who's had their car/home/business torched?

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"as every other Londoner who's had their car/home/business torched?"

WHAT !??

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Insurance

There's quite a few things which an insurance company doesn't cover, nuclear bombs for one. It doesn't mean there's no compensation, since the compensation may be paid by the Government.

In the case of Riot, the Insurance company, if they pay out, can claim compensation from the Police. There was talk of replacing the Riot (Damages) Act, a few years ago, but that Act still seems to be in force. And, if you're not insured, you can make a claim yourself.

One obvious example: a lot of vehicles are insured third-party only, and so if they were damaged or destroyed there would be no insurance cover. But the owner could put in a claim to the Police Authority. If they had insurance cover that did apply, they would get a payment from the Insurance Company, who could then claim from the Police Authority.

It surprised me. But all those IRA bombs: the Government paid compensation.

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Err...

"Came out with loads of Sony stuff like Wii consoles"

Right...

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well that was the eyewitness report on LBC radio at 2am

one caller to LBC had gone down to his premises opposite the sony warehouse to take a quick backup of their essential business continuity data in genuine fear that both of his warehouses might be torched. the data engineer phoned LBC to say what was happening at sony, he called it a 10 acre dvd distribution building, he saw a small gang enter 'run away with armfuls of wii type stuff' then it was torched.

i suppose at night, in a riot, with the police watching from a distance contemplating cuts, a boxed PSP Vita might resemble a Wii 3, as thugs run past at high speed. The same caller mentioned that if the similarly massive sainsbury's warehouse in the same complex near the M25 was torched (as he had heard) then London would go hungry this week... I still haven't heard if this happened?

LBC devoted around 12 hours of detailed on-the-spot eyewitness reports overnight, fascinating and dreadful to hear. COBRA switch off the CRACKBERRY encryption for the next few nights maybe?

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Massive bang

I live just over five miles away from there, yet I heard the explosions at midnight as it went up and could see flames and smoke on the horizon.

I hope no one was hurt.

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No

No, I hope the people who torched it got hurt.

Posting anon as I'm sure someone who has aquired several large TV's will disagree.

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Nail 'em up, I say!!!

There is a large Sainsburys depot there too and a big estate of 3/4 bed houses, quite a few people live around that stretch next to Epping forest. Lots of innocent people could have their houses torched by accident. I don't like SONY much but that's just bang out of order. Busting into a depot, clocking the security staff and torching the place. I hope they have the CCTV footage and catch bastards.

When they catch the buggers involved all these riots, get 'em on chain gangs and have them digging ditches or digging over OAP's gardens and allotments. Come Springtime when the cases finally get to court, the drains will need clearing of the Winter debris too!!

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SONY not watching TV?

I listened to first hand witness account on the BBC News last night, around 15 youths broke into the centre, and upon leaving torched the place and assaulted the witness by punching him in the face before the thieves/arsonists ran off.

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Londoners

Londoners: Showing Arabs how its done since 1800's !

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Clean up operation?

Screw that - make the f*ing perp do it! Then make them rebuild / redecorate the the buildings afterwards!

Bunch of thieving....

As a side note: no insurance cover during a riot? Is this another classic example of an insurance company 'tefloning' off any reason to payout?

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Insurance policies...

... generally have a clause for civil unrest. You have a choice in choosing civil unrest cover when it is optional.

Martin Lewis of MoneySavingExpert.com fame went through several current home insurance products last night and found the clause to be present.

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Re: insurance policies

..makes you wonder who the true thieves are...the ones nicking the tellies, or the ones taking your insurance money - who you have a snowballs chance in hell of getting a payout from (and a proper one at that) when you actually need it.

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MW3

Nothing to do with Sony but how about releasing MW3 early, then there will be no chavs left on the street, they will be busy online for a few weeks in front of their ChavBox360's.

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Ha, yeah, all very funny etc...

...but seriously, I'd like to think nobody within this forum would actually walk into a building and set fire to it for no real reason whatsoever. This is hardly a breakdown of society as we know it or if it is it'd have to crumble significantly more than this for me to even contemplate breaching such social norms, but then again maybe I wouldn't last very long in the 'new world' and I'll quickly die regretting not grabbing some Sony stock whilst I had the chance...

And what's with the violence spreading to other cities? Come on! People should get a grip of their senses and sensibilities (God I hate that film) maybe I'm giving the criminals too much credit but surely it shouldn't be that easy to slip into such base behaviour, in fact, base? No, base would be looting/gathering food and water in an appropriate situation. I guess this is simple crime and criminality.

ffs!

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Still burning

Just seen some photos and its still pouring out thick black smoke.

@AC 09.29 "Do find it odd that a major warehouse is in London though, shift it a few miles away and save a fortune in costs."

Enfield is a few miles away from London proper as you can see the warehouse in question from the M25.

@AC 09.30 - Sainsbury's depot hasn't been hit probably as its on a different site with several fields and a river between them. The depot is much bigger than the Sony warehouse too as the building itself is just over half a mile long.

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Also

Supermarket distribution centres tend to be in use 24/7 with large staffs, so 15 hoodies turning up might be in for a surprise when faced by a bunch of naffed off HGV drivers. (Truckers to our North American readers).

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Can't help thinking.....

....this is all down to some enterprising sods spotting the money-spinning potential of the cunning criminal technique pioneered in Oslo recently.

Cause mayhem at point A and nefariously fill your boots at point B while the cops are off mob-handed elsewhere. In this case, a bit of rabble-rousing in TwitFaceBerry land substitutes for a couple of tonnes of Polish fertiliser in a VW Golf and the aim of the whole exercise is discount shopping rather than mass murder.

Now if I've thought of that I suspect the Police will, so those seen looting away from the main event could be answering some very difficult questions in the not too distant future.....

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What if the worse is yet to come?

Get most of the police force attending the riot sites (like today's promised 16,000-strong police force) and then do the real strike elsewhere?

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Insurance limitations

Not sure about business insurance but I know my home insurance includes a clause that states they are not liable in cases of war or civil unrest and think rioting is mentioned in there.

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Same for business

When I managed a shop our stock & buildings were not covered for Civil Unrest, as I found out when our very large & costly front window was smashed during a football riot.

As the police had declared it a riot the insurance company refused to pay for the new window...

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Riot Damages Act 1886

Think this is still in force, and allows you to claim for riot damage, which might be why it's excluded from insurance policies.

I also suspect very few people know about it.

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So...

...at what point does a bunch of thugs breaking into a warehouse, stealing stuff and torching it become a riot, or civil unrest?

When there's two of them? Five? Ten? When there's something else on fire nearby? When Someone else is doing the same somewhere else in the city/country? When the police turn up to try and stop them?

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Re: Riot Damages Act 1886

Interesting, certainly seems to still be on the books.

Might be something that those who have just seen their livelihood go up in smoke should here about.

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In the meantime...

Anyone want to be brand manager for Blackberry?

It's been years since they got this much press attention, sadly now it's all along the lines of 'the mob's favourite phone.'

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It's just hair-brained thuggery

Morons

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Boiling kettle.

So many of the young today are looking at a future where they can get no proper education, no jobs, no real prospects. They are also told they will be paying for the baby-boomers pensions.

House prices are going so far past their means that is not worth even trying, council housing is practically non-existant and renting from a housing co-operative is the only way that they can move out of the family home.

The easy route, indeed maybe the only route easily open to them can always be to deal in drugs and other criminal activities since, aside from becoming a top professional footballer, they know they will not be able to afford the lifestyle they aspire to (or rather that the advertising machine wants them to aspire to) so what have they got to lose?

The looting is, I'm sure, a side-effect of the rioting which is born of frustration and anger.

The rioting is not a failure of the police, it's a failure of society and is composed of many different facets.

I believe that education is the key - give everyone a proper and decent education, so that people are aware of where they came from and the mistakes of the past, so that they can see the real world around them and not the 'perfect world' imaginings of the marketing 'bots, so that they feel that they can understand the world around them and you will have people who are capable of controlling their own futures.

Maybe politicians are scared of this and their policies are now coming to bear the fruit of the lat couple of decades of mis-management and short-term policies.

There is no single answer to this, but if I were to start anywhere it would be with education. I would then change the human rights act to reflect back to people their responsibilities to others, and not focus on an individuals rights alone.

I suspect it will take sometime to work it's way out, people will no doubt be losing their lives, home and businesses - all totally needlessly.

ttfn

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Education

They all had access to a pretty reasonable education.

If they chose to be 'too cool 4 skool' and eschew the opportunity provided and paid for by us taxpayers, more fool them.

There is simply a culture in some communities of doing as little worjk as possible and expecting everybody else to pay for their lazy lives.

This rioting is no principled stand, it's simply about getting something for nothing - a microcosm of how they live their entire lives.

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