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BSkyB has snatched the full Formula 1 broadcasting rights from the BBC, which had been the exclusive channel showing the live races since 2009. It's a deal sure to upset fans of the Beeb's recent slick coverage of F1, which has won bumper TV ratings. BSkyB will – from the start of the 2012 motor-racing season – broadcast every …

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Balls!

Read about it on the Beeb, and was appalled at their cheery reporting of what is essentially crap news.

I only watch one sport on TV: F1. And BBC's coverage is amazing.

And now I either miss half of the races (sorry... I mean watch the highlights. Gee. Great), or give Murdoch money.

/froth

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Master Plan

A cynic (e.g. me) might suggest that the beeb losing most of F1 to Murdoch, whilst still funding the utter crap that spews from BBC 3 (and often BBC 1) is steering public sentiment towards paying a larger license fee in the future.

As I said, only a world-weary, misanthropic cynic would think that could possibly be true. It would, however, explain the cheery reporting.

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How budgeting works

Clearly some folks have never had to manage an operational budget (lucky them). When asked to reduce your expenditure, the trick is to identify something that will cause an almighty stink, if eliminated. If you're the Marshal of the RAF and the MoD come looking for cuts, you make sure that the Red Arrows are near the top of the list and the politicos soon back off.

The Beeb would love us to think that any cost savings can only be achieved by cutting their popular programmes and not in any way by eliminating the unbelievable layers of 6-figure nepotistic chair-polishers they employ, no sirree Bob!

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BBC free?

To be fair, at least you now have a choice of paying for it. A choice that you don't get with the TV tax for the state owned BBC.

F1 is the only thing I watched on the BBC - not exactly great value for £150 per year.

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face

Well the option of paying more at least.

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You speak of value ?

Based on the price quoted here http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93461, with pricing starting from £31/mth or somesuch, £150p.a. for F1 is actually pretty good value compared to £372+ p.a. with Sky.

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Balls, indeed.

Bloody $ky. That is all.

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No...

I've managed operation budgets. The difference is that I managed them properly, instead of politically. Big difference.

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Maths Fail

Except of course to watch it on Sky you still have to pay that £150 a year PLUS another £360 a year to Sky. Care to explain how that is going to be better value for money?

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Sign the petition

http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/keepf1onthebbc

It will probably make no difference, but surely it can't hurt...

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gutted by greed in incompetence

"at least you now have a choice of paying for it. A choice that you don't get with the TV tax"

internet, so long as it's not live or "virtually live". it's all licence free...

"state owned BBC"

is it? really? bit of an iffy statement IMHO.

I'm personally gutted. there is no way i'm paying Murdock and a licence fee for less. and the promised hacked to death BBC coverage is worse than useless.

I'll be of looking for a web feed, I don't think I'll be the only one.

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Budgets

On the contrary, lots of us have handled budgets and know how the game works. That's why we are kicking up the required stink.

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Well some of it is but ....

Family Guy crap!?

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Crap?

Yes.

That's all.

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Don't understand the logic here

I can never understand the logic behind comments like this. Whatever your choice of TV provider, you'll still have to pay a licence fee. If you choose to go with satellite or cable you'll just pay more to watch programmes that only require a TV and aerial to receive.

Don't forget the BBC does more than just TV. Everyone should listen to Stephen Fry's speech on the subject from a couple of years ago.

That all said and done. I would sooner the BBC spent the money on F1 (which I don't watch) than waste it on drivel like EastEnders or brain numbingly tedious Celebrity Chav Show Jumping On Ice Karaoke.

And whilst we're on the subject of BBC handing out money. I'll decide which charity I'll donate to thank you very much.

I'm no fan of that idiot Ross either.

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not cheap

you forgot that sky are rejigging the packages in september 11 (Sky sports packages are likely to merged as they are doing with entertainment packs) , and to watch in HD will cost you 10 quid more a month. All in all to watch every sport on every package that used to be free on all platforms now costs 60 quid, not forgetting you can only watch it in one room. Multiroom is extra again. Currently to watch everything movies/sports costs in 2 rooms costs 90 a month, thats 1000 a year approx. So put that in good value pipe and smoke it.

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hilights???

what hilights?

alonso passing vettel into the first corner...

then vettel winning th erace

coo!

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@Greg 16

So, do you think you don't pay for ITV? Even if you never watch it? SOMEBODY pays for all those adverts and it sure as hell isn't the advertisers hoping to lose money on the deal!

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Maths fail

There are other ways if you actually look instead of crying. BT vision has SS1 & 2 for £12.99pm. Sign up through quidco and get £150 cashback. Oh and you get all the other sport as well.

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WTF?

Yeah, that makes sense

So now you're going to pay £150pa plus £50 per MONTH to get the same thing.

I thought Murdoch was supposed to be on the back foot?

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BT Vision

But BT Vision also requires you to have a BT phone line and BT Broadband. As an ex-BT Vision customer, I liked the service but the broadband wasn't that great. I'd take it again if there was the option to have the BT Vision box without the BT broadband.

Oh well, maybe Youview might offer some subscription services at a lower cost than Sky... but then again probably not.

Isn't Sky Sports also available on XBOX Live too and online at a lower cost (albeit not in HD)?

Rob

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"10 year high" is because of the quality of BBC coverage

"The sport has never been more popular with TV audiences at a 10-year high and the BBC has always stated its commitment to the big national sporting moments".

Prepare for 2012 to have TV audiences at a 10-year low.

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...words out of my mouth

Exactly what I was going to say - F1 viewing figures will drop next year, I guarantee.

With the Beeb, not only did you have a good team presenting (who may migrate to sky, I suppose) but the best thing, which carries the most weight with viewers NO ADVERTS.

After the pain of the ITV years, where they once even went for an Ad break on the last lap, if I remember correctly, it's no wonder viewing figures increased when the Beeb got the franchise.

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Screw you, Bernie. Screw you.

I think that the new deal comes in for 2014, so no immediate panic.

But yes: I hated F1 under the ITV coverage. It blew goats. The BBC coverage is amazing and has even got my misses interested in the sport.

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In theory

..you shouldn't get adverts on Sky either. At least they didn't have them last time they carried it.

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RE:2014

Nope, starts next year

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hmm

Well they always have adverts in football, BSkyB will want to make money out of it, I think they will have more adverts i.e pre-FIA broadcast but not sure about during the race.

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BBC F1

Absolute kudos to the BBC, and Jake Humphries, for their F1 coverage.

Great Practice, Qualifying and Race coverage, in depth articles, features with the drivers and the teams, great banter between the presenters and there seems to be goodwill to them from the likes of the Red Bull boss (who even roped in the Ferrari team boss to an interview at the end of the German GP) and McLaren bosses. Martin Brundles pit walk is interesting sometimes getting last-minute insights, interviews and some genuine laugh out loud moments, and his commentary (along with Coulthard) is knowledgeable.

It has got my missus into F1 too!

ITV managed to balls the whole thing up when they had it.

From the coverage when it suited them in the schedule, the horrible moby soundtrack instead of fleetwood mac, the constant advert breaks (as someone else mentioned - last lap!), the presenters who seemed to have been plucked from football and boxing coverage and thrown a script, the ambience of being in a studio that could've been anywhere compared to the BBC boys floating round the pit lane, and the less said about James Allen the better.

Sky will no doubt pepper the coverage with advert breaks and swoosh-in banner adverts for tonight's football.

Wouldn't be surprised if the BBC cut resource funding to F1 either, less funds for presenters / features / F1Forum / broadcasts, so they end up with the best staff from the current coverage moving to sky, and ending up on BBC with a poor ITV-style coverage. Maybe this is Bernie/BSkyBs long term plan?

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Jake Humphries?

Sorry, but he's not the best part of the BBC coverage, by a long shot. I'm really fed up with his "serious, frowny" look when telling us anything. Any interviews he does are just bum-clenchingly awful.

Bring back Martin Brundle!

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How many people will buy a SKY subscription off this?

Just a thought. This only makes money for SKY when people buy subscriptions as a result. It seems like a pretty poor deal for SKY subscribers really - i mean think of it this way - you are paying that premium (probably £30 ~ £40 a month) and only getting half the races that the great unwashed (i.e. me) won't get live.

So seriously, would you the best part of £400 / year for 10 extra races?

So i'm guessing that people who already have SKY sports will watch the extra races there, but i'm not sure that anyone who hasn't already got it will pay the extra... and surely that is where SKY are looking to get their money back.

BTW, I don't have SKY and as I do not want to give murdoch a single penny i won't be getting it either..

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ratings..

i think that this might well be Bernie testing the water with sky... if people still watch it on the BBC as opposed to paying the extra for sky then maybe he'll figure out that completely selling the rights to sky would be a really bad move for viewing figures.

and i think that is probably (one of) his main criteria.

By the way - who thinks that next years championship should be decided solely on the basis of the Free to air races - with the extra "demonstration events" on sky not counting to the points total...?

:)

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Not happy.

Surely the worst ITV ad break was the one during which Mika Hakkinen won the world championship?

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No new subscription for me

Not a chance in hell. I will download it and watch it before I pay for a Sky sports subscription just for the priviledge of watching 10 races.

Fuck you Bernie, you greedy little fucking oiik.

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it;s all very well slagging of ITV

but BEFORE itv took it the beeb had F1 for decades and with the singular and notable exception of one M Walker the coverage was APALLING.

live races getting bumped for snooker

horse racing

even fucking bowls for crying out loud!

the only races you could guarantee seeing live from start to finish were the ones taking place on the other side of the planet.

so ad breaks were a pain for 5 minutes here and there(and a few breaks were horrendously positioned), better then 40 mins of edited highlights on monday night on BBC2 - and thats your lot, which is what we used to get.

It will be a shame to see it go to sky, like many i will not be following.

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They don't care if audiences dwindle...

...as long as revenue is up.

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WTF?

Oh well, there is still the Radio

where I'll be able to listen to the races. I certainly won't be forking out the inevitable premium that Sky will charge for their broadcasts.

Anon because I was once a Sky subscriber and I don't want a deluge of sales calls from them (or Virgin for that matter)

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Have They Not Hacked You Already?

AC

With all those fearless helpers for the NOTW now out of work will they will be busy working for Sky now? So will they find you anyway!

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The must have given it up!

So we have a contract expected to end in 2013 and it ends early?

Either the BBC was hit by a break clause they couldn't fight (and how could that happen) or they didn't want the rights.

OK, I'm not devoted to F1 but I can see they do a good job. Maybe they have discovered just how big a hassle the Olympics will be, next year. F1 or the Olympics? I'd vote for F1, but that would be so unpopular with the politicians.

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not really

there will have been a mutual consent. i.e. they didnt have the money to fight BsB in 2013 contract negotiation so they struck a deal now.

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BBC have been talking for a while now about not renewing the deal

at the end of 2012, and potentially pulling out at the end of this year.

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Gutted!

What a shame, Just as the viewers were on the up, the sport was starting to gain popularity, and the BBC coverage was really taking shape the call of yet more money pulls Bernie towards Sky.

I would have taken a return to ITV and adverts over this as no way will I join sky and pay an extra subcription to sky sports to watch it. I'm still getting over my last ordeal with them.

Just have to enjoy watching the race the bbc dont show a few hours after it finished.

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Didn't you see the warning signs a few weeks ago?

"the BBC will broadcast half the races live alongside qualifying and practice sessions.....saying it would help keeps costs down."

A bit like only broadcasting half a season of Dr Who, neatly interrupting a story arc.

Oh, wait a moment....

Also, as heard on Radio2 this morning: "Which Half?"

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Which half?

perhaps they will show every other frame.

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Joke

Would that be odd?

(or even)

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Now THAT would be an example of why lawyers are useful.

Write in the 'only show half the races' bit into the agreement and just send out alternating frames.

Even better if you can persuade Sky to broadcast it in 3D so your 'half the races' becomes one eye's worth of the full race...

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Fell like Marvin.

Depressed.

How come the Beeb gets to show half yet Sky get to show the lot? IT was only in May that the poison dwarf was stating that viewing figures on Sky would make the transition to a non-FTA channel "suicide"

Even Jake sounded a bit pissed off on Chris Moyles this morning.

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How many F1 fans will want to watch some races?

Answer: NONE.

Sky know this, just like they know that F1 fans paying for Sky Sports premium subscriptions won't be interested in any of the other stuff on Sky Sports...

The only outcome will be that this deal kills F1 in the UK... Viewing figures will plumet, as I certainly won't be paying for Sky Sports to watch a race every other weekend...

I wonder what happened to Bernie's promise?

http://billionaires.forbes.com/article/00FvfdI8u03yh?q=Rupert+Murdoch

"It is all rubbish ... Formula One is not for sale. And anyway, we would not sell to a media company because it would restrict the ability to negotiate with other broadcasters."

Still not that it matters, as the sport will be in turmoil soon anyway, as Bernie will be in jail on corruption and bribery offenses.

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Re: How many F1 fans will want to watch some races?

>I wonder what happened to Bernie's promise?

Formula One has not been sold to Sky so his promise is still intact.

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Well thats me not watching F1 anymore

Congratulations to Bernie Ecclestone and co. You have lost me as a customer. I will no knowingly give Rupert Murdoch or any associated company 1 penny.

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Re: Well thats me not watching F1 anymore

I'm sure Bernie will find solace in counting all that lovely money from Murdoch.

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