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Utah cops are attempting to identify a man who's unnecessarily spent over three weeks in jail on three minor misdemeanor charges because he refuses to reveal his name. The Utah John Doe's mugshot. Pic: Utah County Sherrifs Office The 60-something, "fairly well spoken and educated" John Doe was cuffed on 1 July for "trespassing …

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Homeless?

Could it be as simple as that he is homeless and the jail/prison is a roof over his head and he gets fed? Probably a better service/deal than a homeless hostel??

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Right

It might be an idea to read the article a second time.

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But they don't know for sure he's homeless or not ... they don't know who he is

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maybe he's wanted elsewhere and doesn't want to give himself away...

It could be as simple as that...

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Surely not

Presumably they've taken his fingerprints at the very least which would match him up with an arrest warrant from another jurisdiction.

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Assuming they have prints

You're assuming that an arrest warrant from some place else would have his fingerprints. There may be warrants without prints associated with them, just a name.

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hold indefinitely

So, while he gives no name and they are unable to identify him, they can hold him in jail indefinitely? Even though the supposed crime is a nothing. It could get very silly.

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Not quite

He could be released on bail pending a hearing or trial or whatever, but to do so requires identifying him first.

There's no reason or legal framework to hold him past the trial/hearing/whatever custodial sentence is dropped on him.

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He won't be held indefinitely

He will be held until his trial, then he will be released with any punishment deemed served by the time spent in custody. It's really not an outrageous thing for the courts/police to do.

If he hasn't the money for the fine and/or doesn't fancy community service, it looks like a reasonable course of action for him, too.

Especially as the original offence was probably just sleeping rough.

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WTF?

silly

Since his 'crime' (trespassing in a parking garage) appears to be, as you say, just sleeping rough, surely if found guilty this would not result in a custodial sentence (unless he's fined and is unable to pay). Surely if he is suspected of a major crime his prints would have IDed him. So keeping him locked up indefinitely until he tells them his name is plain silly, not to mention wasting taxpayers money.

I fail to see why they can't arraign him and charge him (and if necessary sentence him) as John Doe and then turn him loose.

And by the way, my guess is domestic / family trouble

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Windows

Next headline

Utah cops baffled in case of mysterious suicide involving chainsaw in overnight jail.

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Good luck to him

I hope he gets away with it.

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Monopoly

He is playing real life monopoly and is waiting for his 'get out of jail free' card.

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Next headline: Unknown 60-something year old buys Main Street, demands stopping passers-by to pay fee, reveals plans for building hotel.

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@Noons

Ah, so you think he's linked to Apple in some way.

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Revenge

Quite possibly its just a way of protesting against what seems like a rather overzelaous arrest policy (tresspassing in a parking gararge ... sounds like something Constable Savage would have come up with) on the basis that "well spoken" and "60-something" may well mean he's got a pension and no work commitments so he may be refusing to co-operate on the basis that "its costing you more than its costing me to keep me here"

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Did you miss the part in the story...

...that says the guy could easily get out of jail >now< if he revealed his name? And that he is not doing that, thereby prolonging his stay?

"The reason he want to get out of jail is BECAUSE HE IS IN JAIL makes no sense to him?"

No, the fact he is staying in jail longer than he needs to is what makes no sense to the policeman.

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- no sense...

The bit that makes no sense to the copper is that the guy is saying that at some time in the future he'll want to be out of jail, but right now he's quite happy to be staying there. The cop thinks its suprising that he doesn't want to get out of jail now, and yet in the futre he wil want to.

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Good luck to the guy!

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But...

And if he's wanted somewhere for eating children?

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Geographically incongruous...

since most of this world's Devourers of Children tend to hang out 'n' hobnob within the Washington DC Beltway, many miles east of Utah, though operating these days on a grand global scale.

This account strongly reminds one of Kurt Vonnegut's 'Foxy Grandpa' character at the Blue-Roofed Ethical Euthanasia Parlor. That one eats his Last Meal there, then gives the Ethical Suicide Hostess and Needle the skip-um-out. The orange-roofed Howard Johnson's restaurant is right next door, of course - but one must <i>pay</i> for a HoJo meal... Our friend's of the age and in a position to likely remember that character, being apparently of greater than average literacy and culture... A disaffected 'n' dispossessed former-Middle-Class professional, just maybe a laid-off 'n' disenfranchised IT Manager or similar evaporated standing...?

Just extrapolatin'. But it's Very Vonnegut imvho. And that is all! 0{:-)o<

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>And if he's wanted somewhere for eating children?

then thumbs down to the guy

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He's waiting-

For the arrival of the mysterious Spheres and Keanu...

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Reminds me of...

...Robert Burnham Jr the astronomer, see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Burnham,_Jr.

Hope he sorts it, and, yes I know a 67 year old who can be this difficult. He is owed a pension by another government who wrote to him to suggest he claimed the income. He is refusing to claim it because they are asking him for his date of birth. His reasoning is that they must have known his date of birth to think of writing him the letter in the first place.

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Three weeks without the wife?

And a perfect excuse when you finally do see her again?

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Re: Three weeks without the wife?

I can sense a new trend...

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Paranoid?

He's paranoid? Thinks "they" are out to get him and that anonymity in a jailhouse is the best way to foil them?

Or maybe he's completely rational and "they" are a branch of organised crime, or a deranged homicidal ex? In which case I hope he knows that his photo has been published.

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How do you know?

Maybe they actually ARE out to get him.

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Too late surely?

"They've" got him

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Stars

He's just checking out the facility's for the next Lonely Planet.

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Re: Stars

If he/she/it wanted to blend in without being noticed these days, instead of Ford Prefect he/she/it would probably call him/her/itself Anonymous Coward, before realising those aren't actually real people...

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Maybe he´s a bit ashamed

for being a public figure and in jail. I mean, if you squint at his photo the right way, imagine trimmed hair and less harsh tan, you can see sort of George Bush right there...

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Time traveller?

Maybe he is from the future and doesn't want to upset the recent annoncement that time travel is indeed impossible?

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Happened in London in the 1970's

A man was arrested commiting a crime. He refused to say anything to the police, judges or anyone.

He was convicted despite the civil lib brigade throwing a stomp. He never said anything while in jail.

I was closely associated with the case at the time.

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There wouldn't be no trouble

Except for that king-shit cop.

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Or maybe it could be one of two reasons...

1. he is exercising his right to remain silient

2. He is waiting unitl all the tabliods have found something other to write about other than Amy Winehouse.

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Weren't the Tabliods in Doctor Who?

I for one.. etc.

Not that there's a preview button.. oh wait.

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I think you'll find...

... that "tabliods" is the correct spelling.

At least for Grauniad readers

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Depends what the cop shop is like

If he's being held in a cell in the pigsty rather than in a prison, it might not be too bad. A friend was on remand during a screw's strike in the late 80's & he got held in a number of provincial stations. Of course in those days they'd feed the prisoners from the same trough the pigs ate from - the rather nice canteen.(I once had a very nice Sunday roast in Bexhill cells) He had access to a television, books & newspapers, & he could even smoke a sly spliff now & then. They'd even leave the cell door open during the day.( Now they hand out appalling microwave crap.)

Icon:Picture of jailbird

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WTF?

Maybe its Andrew Crosley!

What scares me is that the good ol' US of A is quite happy to accept multiple law suits against John and Jane Does for copyright infringement, and hammer people to the wall. Yet this JD, who has not done anything so heiniously evil as sharing music, is still locked up in the clink!

hmmm...

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Joke

Maybe he has a really silly name

Just sayin...

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That might explain

why Frankenstein Hitler Jr. is'nt answering his phone calls.

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Names not on the list......

........you're not coming out!

Surprised these overzealous police in the land of the free, haven't put an iron mask on him to enhance the enigma!

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Maybe

He got fed up with his wife and fancied some peace and quiet

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Mentally unstable?

Maybe he has some issue that stop him from trusting authorities?

In the UK this wouldn't be an issue. He'd be held down and DNA taken by force.

He'd then be arrested for failure to identify himself, regardless of why he was picked up in the first place.

This is no fantasy - this has happened.

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Citation Required

Preferably one that is not the daily wail or news of the world.

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as a matter of law

historically – section 25 PACE – you could be arrested for a non-arrestable offence where it was impossible to properly ascertain your identity; aside from that, _in principle_ no-one should have been arrested simply for refusing to identify themselves;

it should be said that people were regularly unlawfully arrested for non-arrestable offences as a result of the police making mistakes of law – non-arrestable offences were generally the less serious ones; the provision allowing arrest when identity is unverifiable is however legal;

Now an arrest is allowed when 'necessary', including when identity can't be verified; there are no longer non-arrestable offences, thanks tony http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2005/15/section/110

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Maybe he is on the run from the mafia.

In which case why are they putting his picture out there?

Oh, and what will happen is it will go to trial, he will get a fine deemed paid by the time spent in custody, and be free to go. Doesn't seem outrageous.

If he really doesn't want to give his name, why not just wait it out? Seems like a plan to me.

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He signed all the forms John Doe..

Because his name is John Doe.

That would be funny.

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