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A Chinese lecturer has raised a storm by demanding students get an iPad, and that anyone unable to raise the funds over the summer shouldn't bother studying the financial industry. Liang Zhenyu teaches at the Shanghai Maritime University and sent out a tweet (over the Weibo service) explaining that he would be using an iPad …

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  1. adnim

    What's the equivalent

    of a P45 in China. Is there an app for that?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Big Brother

      Re: What's the equivalent of a P45 in China.

      The 'AK47', I believe.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        FAIL

        Re

        ""[The] iPad is not an innovation, it's revolution ... without it the teaching process will be paralyzed.""

        Yep. No one has been taught anything or learned anything for the last million years. All hail Stevey J for making learning possible.

  2. Hardcastle the ancient

    Press-ups are OK now?

    I do recall one lecturer getting the sack for doing pressups, but there was a teenaged student underneath him at the time...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      No

      You're confusing press-ups with horizontal-jogging.

  3. Peter Clarke 1
    Childcatcher

    Business Attire

    He may be enraptured with Mr Jobs iPad but not with his dress sense. Has he been watching too much of The Apprentice or Wall Street?

  4. Demosthenese

    Hmm

    So if he's late, he wastes even more time in a pointless 'punishment' that seems to me to be more like dick waving.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    In other news...

    The organ transplant market plummeted recently due to an influx of "around $615" kidneys.

    1. Ken 16 Silver badge

      You don't need all your organs to work in financial services

      In fact some of them might be a disadvantage

  6. Colin Millar
    Facepalm

    Sadly he is right

    Employment in financial services does require a complete submission of substance to perception so you may as well start early

    1. Solomon Grundy

      Not So Sad

      There is a reason why financial services want everyone on the up and up. They are playing with other people's money and no one wants someone dressed like a developer playing with their money. Would you trust your money and your families future to a neckbeard dressed in a Star Wars T-shirt and combat boots?

      1. Knowledge
        FAIL

        No, but

        I wouldn't trust it to some jumped up twat in a suit either.

      2. Cameron Colley

        @Solomon Grundy

        I may be wrong, but I think the useless pricks who fucked our economy wore nice, smart, suits. If you trust someone because of the way they're dressed you're a moron.

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          1. Cameron Colley

            Very clever Bullseyed.

            What do bankers/traders* really wear then?

            (*Because, by definition, whoever fucked up the economy was a "banker" or "trader" [or whatever money-movers call themselves] -- even if it wasn't the bunch who were pointed at.)

            1. Solomon Grundy
              Black Helicopters

              Oops

              My comment was supposed to be about customer perception, I really didn't mean to get everyone so worked up.

              I agree that the clothes don't make the person but consider this. If banks didn't have a dress code and operated like they do now (basically all providing the same services at similar costs) would you pick the bank with the staff in street dress or the bank with the well dressed staff?

        2. Displacement Activity
          Paris Hilton

          @Cameron Colley

          >> If you trust someone because of the way they're dressed you're a moron.

          True. But, OTOH, it might just make sense to mistrust someone because of the way they're dressed. Which is possibly what Mr. Grundy had in mind.

      3. Chris Hance

        Given their respective track records?

        Did the developer have anything to do with Vista? Yes? Ok, give me a minute, I'm still trying to decide.

      4. jm83
        Thumb Down

        ambiguity

        I think its relevant to point out that two other purveyors of sharp suits and light make up are recruitment consultants and estate agents.

      5. h4rm0ny
        Mushroom

        Re: Not So Sad...

        Wait, you have to wear a Star Wars t-shirt to be a developer? Wow! I've been cranking out everything from device drivers to web-apps over the last decade and I don't even own one!

        Can we return the Geek Stereotype to American Highschools where it belongs, please?

      6. Hardcastle the ancient
        Pirate

        Important to dress in suits

        It is really important that we insist the w^H bankers wear suits.

        That means when the lynching starts we will be able to spot them quickly.

        1. Naughtyhorse

          no need..

          eaasy to spot when a abanker is lying, just like politicions, their lips move

      7. Anonymous Coward
        Unhappy

        To quote Frank Turner

        'And for every teenage tracksuit mugger

        There's a guy in a suit who wouldn't lift a finger for anybody else.'

        Dress sense says NOTHING about a person whatsoever. I have this argument regularly with a friend who wants me to join his golf club. I tell him until they relax all the Victorian era rules about what you can and cannot wear both in the club and on the course, and when women are allowed equal status* then there is no way I am joining.

        He argues that it keeps the riff-raff out and I point out to him that that is the kind of snobbery that I am not willing to put up with. I have met far more people with sharp suits and Audis or Beemers that are complete and utter twats that I wouldn't spend 5 minutes with than I have your everyday nobody who shops at Primark and drives an Astra who tend to be decent people.

        But if a sharp suit and a nice car are all it takes for you to trust somebody with your money, I have both so could I interest you in this once in a lifetime investment opportunity......

        *The ladies have a room in the clubhouse with times that they are and are not allowed to be there along with times when they are not allowed to play on the course. Totally ridiculous

      8. Anonymous Coward
        FAIL

        You sound like my mother

        Scruffy sods wearing a towel and sandals - like that Jesus or Buddha bloke - clearly shouldn't be trusted.

        Obviously the Third Reich with their natty Hugo Boss uniforms are very trustworthy.

      9. Paul 129
        WTF?

        Hey,

        OMG is that why i'm poor? I thought the army boots were great.

      10. Naughtyhorse

        depends

        is aforesaid neckbeard named wosniac or gates.... AFAIK sugar and sinclair always wore suits.

        ai rest my case m'lud

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      To all dissing Solomon Grundy

      Ok, so noone would trust someone in a suit either. But that's not the point: if a finance advisor wore a suit (ok, granted) AND (wait for it) also had an iPad, now that's a completely different matter, then surely you'd trust him/her.

      If you not agree with that, you have no necessarity be my course.

  7. Thomas 4

    F.A.O Apple fanbois in this thread

    See the guy in the article? That's your new benchmark.

    1. Naughtyhorse

      duuno about benchmark

      'never wears a sweater to work'

      not even a turtleneck???

      fail!

  8. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Gimp

    A fanbuoy icon is mandatory

    "[The] iPad is not an innovation, it's revolution ... without it the teaching process will be paralyzed."

    Clearly he's not necessary to be anyone's teacher.

    1. Ammaross Danan
      Coat

      Teaching

      Who'd want to learn finances from a guy who supports giving out shovel loads of cash for horridly overpriced devices? Sounds like the same teacher the US Gov't had when they drafted the bailouts....

      (Don't believe me on "overpriced"? Just look at their operating costs and profit margins)

  9. fixit_f
    Thumb Down

    Prick

    Forget the iPad, it's the suit wearing rubbish I still dislike most, mainly because I have to wear one for an interview today. It's absolutely shocking that in the modern world interview situation idiots can be judged positively for their smart appearance while geniuses ignored because they turn up in comfortable clothes.

    1. DrXym

      I don't wear suits to interviews

      Just smart casual attire. I don't think I'd wear a monkey suit for a programming position unless that's the dress code policy for the place. As far as I know it hasn't hurt any of my employment prospects.

      Think of it like a first date. Just because you feel more comfortable being a slob doesn't mean you shouldn't try and make a good first impression.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        "Think of it like a first date."

        It's going to be expensive, and you might get f***ed?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Happy

      Yeah well that's the way it is for the moment.

      Whenever I read something like this I am reminded of a comment by record producer Chris Kimsey when asked how to get into the recording industry, "Say you'll do anything in the studio, sweep up, make tea, etc, oh and always, always wear a suit to the interview! Steal one or wear youR Dad's, whatever. You may never wear one again in your life, dress like you slept the same clothes for a week all the time but wearing a suit to be a tea-boy shows you're willing to put yourself out to get that on that ladder and get the job you really, really want in the studio.".

    3. JeepBoy
      FAIL

      I wouldn't hire you either!

      Whilst I agree the Chinese bloke is a nutter, I think you may soon be destined for receive a life-lesson in how society works.

      I wouldn't hire any idiot - or give additional plus points - solely because he happened to be wearing a suit. My job as an interviewer is to reject idiots and identify stars by careful questioning.

      However, I also wouldn't hire anyone who thought they were too good/clever/"modern" to conform to the dress-standards that prevail in my industry and/or showed complete disrespect to their interviewer by turning up in "something comfortable". Why any firm would wish to hire such an arrogant social misfit is beyond me!

      You aren't going down the pub with your mates - dress appropriately to the situation!

      Good luck in the interview BTW.

      1. fixit_f

        Thanks!

        But you don't seem to have noticed - I did say in my post that I HAD put a suit on! I'm a realist about it, I was just having a little grumble :-)

    4. Velv
      Flame

      Rules

      Like it or not, the rules of interviews currently expect all candidates to wear a suit.

      If you can't attempt to meet the rules for the interview, what makes the interviewer think you will meet the rules of working for the company.

      Play the game by the rules, or expect to be playing in the lower leagues for the rest of your life. Only once you're in the premiership can you wear your golden boots.

      I know I'll get down votes, but then some people just won't accept reality.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Rules

        All candidates to wear a suit? Not in every industry, or remotely so. I think that you will find that the more technical/specialised the field, the less of a dress code, let alone a formal one. We all tend to know each other anyway, so what would be the point.

        By the way, the article is missing an apostrophe:

        "an argument with which, sadly, its hard to find fault."

    5. John Dougald McCallum

      dead right

      The last time I wore a suit to an interview I was told I was over qualified (I din't have have any qualifications) Oh the job was factory supervisor.

      1. Solomon Grundy

        Over Qualified

        They told you that to make you feel better.

    6. jake Silver badge

      Last time I put on a suit ...

      ... was when I got married. The next time I put on a suit will be when they put me in a box.

      The last 9-5 I interviewed for (in 1989), I was wearing my racing leathers. When the interviewer queried my choice of "uniform", I pointed out that he had asked me to drive up from Palo Alto to South San Francisco by 10AM ... and had called at 9AM. I knew I could make it on the bike, but there was no way I was driving the Bayshore without armor ... I got the job.

      The 9-5 prior to that, I wore the same outfit, for similar reasons. When queried, I responded along the lines of "are you hiring an engineer or a fashion plate?" ... They made me an offer. I counter offered, they hired me at my price point ...

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Up

    Apprentice idea

    Sounds like an ideal task for an Apprentice Task.

    <phone rings>

    "Hello, Lord Sugar wants you to come to the Apple Store, the cars will arrive in 30 mins"

    Candidates gather in Apple store, LordSirAlan descends the stair case

    "Ever since I revolutionized the computer and business worlds with the Amstrad PCW and the Em@iler the business world has been looking for the next big idea .... and the iPad is todays big idea. Now, here's a skip load of old em@ilers for you to go and flog to get enough money to buy an iPad. Anyone without an iPad when you get back to the boardroom will be fired!"

  11. DavCrav

    Moron

    ""[The] iPad is not an innovation, it's revolution ... without it the teaching process will be paralyzed.""

    This Grade A fuckwit must have been very happy teaching while paralyzed for the decades before the iPad, and everyone else was very happy teaching for centuries before. I am very happy teaching without any whizz-bang fluff at all. I use chalk, blackboard, and words.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Coat

      Obligatory...

      ...chalk & blackboard? There's an app for that...

  12. Nigel 11
    Mushroom

    Bankers

    Here we have in a microcosm, how and why it is that the bankers have completely shafted us. Dress smartly and carry a shiny gadget, and the world will put trillions of dollars in your hands to throw away in any way you think might be a good idea. Wear a pullover and carry a real computer, and you're on your own.

    It used to be a joke when we said "come the revolution" ....

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    Finances

    The most I had to get at university was the textbook (which happened to be co-authored by the lecturer....).

    All other academic materials were platform agnostic, so could be opened with Windows/Linux/Macs (and no doubt new-fangled iTabloids).

    Maybe they could get one from one of the fake apple shops?

    To say that a student who cannot afford an overpriced tablet computer, and in effect ensuring that only the upper-middle/upper classes can study his course wouldn't happen in the UK surely, where lower and lower-middle classes can afford higher education? hmmm Actually... I'll get my coat....

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Yeah, we had to get the book(s) too...

      ... but the 'platform' was paper and a ball point pen.

      (The parents of today's fanbois used fountain pens or felt tip pens).

    2. paulc
      Thumb Down

      platform agnostic...

      wish my daughter's software courses were platform agnostic... sadly, as the college she attends sucks the Microsoft tit, all software courses use their development tools etc. and insist on her laptop being capable of running access etc. just to do the programming assignments... Tony Blair has got a lot to answer for... that shady deal where Bill Gates got a knighthood and all public sectors getting a big discount on going fully Microsoft was a serious setback to open source in this country...

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